Britains "Yob" Culture

I don't think its much of a stretch to claim Britain has a bit of a yob culture..
Then I spose perhaps we just all notice it more because of all of the media attention focused on 'chavs'...'
It all becomes a bit silly when we have the Home Secretary deciding on some gimmicky policy of offenders doing community service being forced to wear orange uniforms so the public feel 'justice' is being done. What a load of bollocks.

Apparently you young Brits are apparently WAY out of control....

Please don't hurt me Sypher...!

kill the scuffy little chavs, they have no prupose in life and will never succed becasue of the culture they are brought up in. ie. council housing estates full of swearing little 6 year olds with teenage junky mothers.

Originally posted by iJerry
kill the scuffy little chavs, they have no prupose in life and will never succed becasue of the culture they are brought up in. ie. council housing estates full of swearing little 6 year olds with teenage junky mothers.

Man you should grow up, you're just showing your immaturity...

Originally posted by iMacc
Man you should grow up, you're just showing your immaturity... i agree. ive never read such rubbish in my life.

Originally posted by chuckley
forget school. it always starts at home.
Thats very true.

I've noticed the kids who have been taught at home to respect others will act the same in life. :D

Does this pervade the UK country and society wide MadPict? I know that there is a certain amount of that sort of thing here in the US, but I don't have the perception that it is as widespread as it sounds like it is there. Gangs not withstanding, most teens I know don't like rules any more than they did when I was that age, but they still listen to and to a certain amount respect people.

Do you think that this is, in part, due to the role that religion still plays in the US (both in public and private life) and the lack of that role in the UK?

And yet I live in Souther California where kids are supposedly rampant and a lot of this doesn't exist. Sure you hear about it on the news, but that doesn't mean it's rampant, or it doesn't seem so to me. Kids are kids and culture is culture and I have been on the NY subway in the last couple of years. I've also been on the SF Subway and a few others (including LA) and it still doesn't strike me as the same kind of thing they are talking about. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist in the US, but we DO have a bit of a different culture in many parts of the US. MadPict makes it sound like this is the norm in the UK, but I don't feel it's the norm in the US. Maybe it is in inner cities and gang areas...

What Madpict is saying is true, but this isn't as regular or as widespread as it sounds.

Agreed, it is still a big problem in the UK though.

Originally posted by chuckley
now see i dont agree. i dont think its any worse than say 2003. all of a sudden since 'chavs' became a phenomenon, u started reading more about 'yobs...' and 'this chav...'. before that u got the ofdd story on an ASBO and stuff, but nothing more. NOW its 'all chavs do crime'. just look at that teenage girl in closer mag last week. that was a straight up 'lets embarass his 'chav' ' article. its all part of the phenomenon. none of this reported stuff is new. its been goin on for years, but the media act like 'happy slapping just started'. and 'chavs are to blame' and he other rubbish.

how many ASBO stories did u see 4 the chav thing blew up? exactly.

I don't think it's worse either and didn't say so. Nowadays anti-social behaviour is just publicised more than a few years ago.

Originally posted by chuckley
now see i dont agree. i dont think its any worse than say 2003. all of a sudden since 'chavs' became a phenomenon, u started reading more about 'yobs...' and 'this chav...'. before that u got the ofdd story on an ASBO and stuff, but nothing more. NOW its 'all chavs do crime'. just look at that teenage girl in closer mag last week. that was a straight up 'lets embarass his 'chav' ' article. its all part of the phenomenon. none of this reported stuff is new. its been goin on for years, but the media act like 'happy slapping just started'. and 'chavs are to blame' and he other rubbish.

how many ASBO stories did u see 4 the chav thing blew up? exactly.

Chavs are the current target for ridicule. Few years ago it was the Yuppies. Then Essex girls. Next year it will be some other social group.

Happy Slapping is a new phenomenon - it originated with the Tango adverts where an orange character crept up and slapped an unsuspecting person then ran off - "You've been Tango'd"...
But the use of mobile video phones in the equation has just started to escalate the problem. The media do blow things up, but then thats how they sell papers.

And baggss, it's not some scene from "Escape From New York" here in the UK. Just that the focus is on the yob culture because the government see it as one of the things they have allowed to get out of hand - and they want to bring in 24 hour drinking!!!

Oh how this all amuses me, politicians etc always focus on small components of a problem ie teenagers or single parents blah blah blah but look at the broader picture. Next time you walk around a town look at everyone, the, albeit simplistic answer is society is becoming more ignorant; from children to the elderly but no one writes articles on ignorant pensioners and there are plenty of them around - if people werent ignorant pigs then perhaps things might be a bit different but this is the path modern day society has chosen to take and the extremes of what is reported is a consequence of that.

iMacc - oop north they have Whippet racing - much more fun than slapping a stranger ;) Mind you, do that to most folk up north and you're likely to get a gob full of fist! I don't know whats got into these soft southern <expletive deleted> :D

Lost - hate to tell you this but there was an two page spread in the paper last week about problem pensioners! One even had an ASBO (anti-social behaviour order) slapped on him. So to be fair there is a balance if you read the right papers ;)
And from experience you get less tolerant as you get older and little things just drive you up the wall...:D

Originally posted by Sypher
But I guess since the UK is smaller, we don't have the same level of rural hideaways if you like.. chavs seem to be everywhere, even in Cambridge. But in every big city in the U.S, there seems to be a massive 'ghetto' and we don't have anything like that, not even the really poor council estates in Manchester and Liverpool could rival them I don't think.

You may be right about the rural thing Sypher. The better part of the US is rural and although the culture is the same pretty much wherever you go, the level of acceptance of the culture does vary.

I don't know enough about British inner cities to know if there is anything comparable to the stuff in the US. The US program that created many of these areas was begun back in the 60s as part of LBJs "Great Society", and went horribly awry with mismanagement.

Stupid question though, what is a "chav"?

There yobbish culture is a definite problem that seems to be more "apparent" in the UK and US but can be found everywhere

In Europe and the Scandinavian countries for example the have more emphasis on the family as a unit. This therefore breeds respect of one form or another.

Family needs to plant the seeds of authority, then, there is a decent education to nurture it and then a firm hand from the govt and police if you go out of line. - IMO

Today saw one of the governemnt's shining lights being criticised by a Quango (quasi-autonomous non-governmental organisation). Of course, I'm taking about one of the city acadamies in Middlesbrough (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4584395.stm). It was supposed to end all the problems that inner-city schools were experiencing with their pupils.

It just goes to show that 'problems' start at home and school plays little part in the person you are/become. I dare say that if these kids were experiencing a more involved childhood then they are less likely to be a problem in the future.

However this is not good news for the government. This was supposed to be the triumph of their efforts in education reform. Even Tony Blair put his full weight behind the city acadamies. My Granddad works at another one in Middlesbrough and he says that some of the kids' knowledge is shocking, having to really go back to the bare-bone basics. Just goes to show that it's not what you put in your sandwich it's really the bread that you use that gives it the taste.