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Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...

As we all know, the WOT is a bogus piece of horse-manure that really is now clearly exposed as a folkloric fiction - a sort of sheep-focussed Rorschach Test that serves the only useful function of being a benchmark suitable for measuring the degree to which those that support it have abandoned the smallest scintilla of rational thought and embraced their zombie status with all the passion and zeal of a born-again preacher phoning a gay masseuse . The so-called 'enemies' - ie al-Qaeda - are not the enemies at all.

Firstly, there is a large amount of evidence that this group does not exist.

Secondly, if it did exist , it would be a Wahabi outfit. But the Wahabis are actually the main allies in the WOT. Wahabi enemies are US enemies.

And of course, these enemies are the people who really ARE at war with 'al Qaeda'; Iran and Syria. The very States that oppose the Sunni extremism that the US so brazenly and falsely claims it too is fighting.

So much for the background.

Now it appears that not only is the US tacitly working alongside 'al Qaeda' for essentially the same goals but it is actually illegally funding these groups (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/49275/) in order to achieve them. Very likely with looted Iraqi funds.

Speaking of an illegal black-op run out of Cheney's Office in true Iran-Contra stylee, the above article says of these 'black' funds:

Some of these funds, as well as Saudi ones, were evidently funneled through the embattled, Sunni-dominated Lebanese government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora to the sort of Sunni jihadi groups ("some sympathetic to al-Qaeda") whose members might normally fear ending up in Guantanamo and to a group, or groups, associated with the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood.

All of this was being done as part of a "sea change" in the Bush administration's Middle Eastern policies aimed at rallying friendly Sunni regimes against Shiite Iran, as well as Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Syrian government -- and launching secret operations to undermine, roll back, or destroy all of the above. Despite the fact that the Bush administration is officially at war with Sunni extremism in Iraq (and in the more general Global War on Terror), despite its support for the largely Shiite government, allied to Iran, that it has brought to power in Iraq, and despite its dislike for the Sunni-Shiite civil war in that country, some of its top officials may be covertly encouraging a far greater Sunni-Shiite rift in the region.

Can you say breathtaking hypocrisy that eclipses the previous obscene records of these all time world-beating scumbag shysters?

I knew you could....
[2769 byte] By [segovius] at [2007-11-16 2:45:18]
# 1 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
As we all know, the WOT is a bogus piece of horse-maure. The so-called 'enemies' - ie al-Qaeda - are not the enemies at all.

Firstly, there is a large amount of evidence that this group does not exist.

Secondly, if it did exist , it would be a Wahabi outfit. But the Wahabis are actually the main allies in the WOT. Wahabi enemies are US enemies.

And of course, these enemies are the people who really ARE at war with 'al Qaeda'; Iran and Syria. The very States that oppose the Sunni extremism that the US so brazenly and falsely claims it too is fighting.

So much for the background.

Now it appears that not only is the US tacitly working alongside 'al Qaeda' for essentially the same goals but it is actually illegally funding these groups (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/49275/) in order to achieve them. Very likely with looted Iraqi funds.

Speaking of an illegal black-op run out of Cheney's Office in true Iran-Contra stylee, the above article says of these 'black' funds:

Can you say breathtaking hypocrisy that eclipses the previous obscene records of these all time world-beating scumbag shysters?

I knew you could....

Oh, OK.

You know what?

At least I can see the talking heads on TV. At least I can see the liars lying!

Stuff said in these threads, must of course be factually true, since I don't have a clue as from whence such useless made up stuff comes from! Perhaps from some bestselling work of FICTION! One of Tom Clancy's?

TYVM!
franksargent at 2007-11-17 15:59:09 >
# 2 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
Psychology Lesson #1

The Century of Self (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=The+Century+of+Self&hl=en)

History Lesson #1

The Power of Nightmares (http://video.google.com/videosearch?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=the%20power%20of%20nightmares&btnG=Search+Images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv)

History Lesson #2

The Fog of War (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8653788864462752804&q=The+fog+of+war&hl=en)

History Lesson#3

The History of Oil (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967&q=the+history+of+oil&hl=en)

Since I was twelve years old I recall terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre). It was blamed on the Soviet Union then. Now that they have become a non-issue the blame is placed on Islamic fundamentalists (ironically by another religious fundamentalist group). Name game, blame game. It's all the same.

Maybe after people watch and study those documentaries instead of American Idol, we all can agree that powerful people will always be screwing the powerless. Until the powerless rise up.
@_@ Artman at 2007-11-17 16:00:09 >
# 3 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
Stuff said in these threads, must of course be factually true, since I don't have a clue as from whence such useless made up stuff comes from! Perhaps from some bestselling work of FICTION! One of Tom Clancy's?

As much as Segovius is the male equivalent to sammijo-- Pulitzer Prize winning and well-respected journalist Seymour Hersh reported what he's talking about. So it's mainstream New Yorker journalism not Seg's usual dubious sources.
ShawnJ at 2007-11-17 16:01:19 >
# 4 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
As much as Segovius is the male equivalent to sammijo-- Pulitzer Prize winning and well-respected journalist Seymour Hersh reported what he's talking about. So it's mainstream New Yorker journalism not Seg's usual dubious sources.

I would suggest that "mainstream" sources are as dubious as "alternative" sources. Both "mainstream" and "alternative" elements are suspect to political agenda-izing, the mainstream tends to support the conservative/status quo line, and the alternative media tends to rally to the cause of change.

The Bush Administration has every reason to covertly support al Qaeda. al Qaeda (sic) is a western intelligence term for any group of militant Muslim fundamantalists.. or even, perhaps, people *alleged* to be "Muslim fundamentalists". The current "war on terror" is clearly aimed as a war against the Islamic people. The more "al Qaeda" activity reported in the media, then the more the public becomes aware of "al Qaeda" as the deadly enemy, and the more Islam is tainted. This kills the proverbial 'two birds with one stone', and achieves the aim of the Bush Admin/NeoCons, publicly "justifying" the war in terror. There needs to be ongoing, reported "terrorist attacks" all over the world to justify the "war on terror". London, Madrid, Bali, Iraq, etc. etc.

One cannot help but notice that for an allegedly large group of people who supposedly hate us so much, they have been bizarrely quiet and inactive (both before and since 9/11) as regards to launching attacks within the U.S. With our porous borders, and the ease of obtaining over-the-counter materials in the US to make conventional *and* dirty radiological bombs, and the easy availability of guns, ammunition and other equally lethal weapons, acts of terrorism by "Islamic radicals" is a very rare event indeed. Sure, there have been plenty of bombing and plotting incidents involving non-Muslim terror groups, but these are not readily reported.. probably because it strays off-message, namely "all terrorists are Muslim". The Muslim community in the US numbers between 1.5 million and 8 million people. We seem to be harboring a very large quantity of law-abiding, peaceful terrorists.
sammi jo at 2007-11-17 16:02:13 >
# 5 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
How do you deny the existence of the group and simultaneously claim that the federal government is funding it?

You used to make more sense, sego. Maybe I'm getting denser.
thuh Freak at 2007-11-17 16:03:13 >
# 6 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
How do you deny the existence of the group and simultaneously claim that the federal government is funding it?

You used to make more sense, sego. Maybe I'm getting denser.

Well, I said there was 'a large amount of evidence' it does not exist and went on to say that if it did exist it would be Wahabi...

My mistake entirely, I should have at least used quotation marks but it is not you becoming denser, it is me becoming more aware that less and less effort is needed in general and not keeping to my previous high standards.

I'm afraid that even though I don't take the pills I have been Stepford-ized by proxy. :embarrass

Actually I also think there is evidence that although 'al Qaeda' is a western construct and a kind of manufactured Scarecrow primarily intended to instill fear on the home-front, those that do not wish the West well have used the meme themselves and sometimes buy into the motif by claiming to represent the fictitious 'al Qaeda' when they commit an attack.

They engender far more fear this way even though 'al Qaeda' is a Western invention - and of course, to them, using the West's own fear inducing tool against them has a certain appeal.

But these are the Sunni Islamists and extremists that the US is actually funding - what I meant was that although AQ does not exist, the people they are funding are what the US point to when they want to tell people they do.
segovius at 2007-11-17 16:04:23 >
# 7 Re: Bush admin funding al Qaeda: no-one gives a toss...
Finally, a strawman-worthy reason to stop all foreign aid. You see what happens when we give away billions... look who ends up with it! :D
Jubelum at 2007-11-17 16:05:17 >
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