Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Adobe Systems Inc. on Tuesday formally introduced its Creative Suite 3.0 product line, a collection of tightly integrated design and development tools for Mac and Window-based creative workflow professionals.
As previously revealed by AppleInsider, there are six all-new configurations of Adobe Creative Suite 3. These include, Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium and Design Standard editions; Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium and Web Standard editions; and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium. Rounding out the product line is Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection which combines 12 of Adobes new design and development applications in a single box.
The majority of Adobe Creative Suite 3 editions will be available as Universal applications for both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs and support Microsoft Windows XP and Windows Vista. The San Jose-based Adobe promises increased levels of performance and speed running the software suites natively on Intel-based Macintosh systems and the latest Windows hardware.
Creative Suite 3 is the biggest launch in Adobes 25 year history and a milestone for the creative industry, said Bruce Chizen, chief executive officer at Adobe. This release reflects the powerful integration between Adobe and Macromedia and how our products bridge the gap between designers and developers. With new workflows that streamline collaboration and impact the development of rich content, designers and developers now have the creative license to engage audiences across virtually every medium.
Customers will be able to choose from the six all-new suites or individual full version upgrades of 13 stand-alone applications, including Photoshop CS3, Photoshop CS3 Extended, InDesign CS3, Illustrator CS3, Flash CS3 Professional, Dreamweaver CS3, Adobe Premiere Pro CS3, and After Effects CS3.
Each edition of Adobe Creative Suite 3 integrates different configurations of Adobe's creative products to serve a breadth of design needs: Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium delivers an essential toolkit for print, web, interactive and mobile design while Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Standard focuses on professional print design and production. Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium combines the leading web design and development tools and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Standard serves the professional web developer. Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium, meanwhile is a complete post-production solution for video professionals. Lastly, Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection combines 12 new creative applications in one box, enabling customers to design across all mediaprint, web, interactive, mobile, video and film.
With the Creative Suite 3 family, Adobe is increasing its focus on mobile development and the delivery of video rich content. Noting that Flash technology is emerging as a leader for the mass distribution of video across the Internet, the software developer said its making its video technologies available, cross-platform, to any creative delivering rich media experiences. In addition, a new common suite component, Adobe Device Central will be aimed at boosting the productivity of creative professionals who develop content for mobile handsets.
Other shared features across the product line included an updated version of Adobe Bridge CS3, the hub of Adobe Creative Suite, providing instant access to Version Cue CS3, Acrobat Connect, and an expanded Adobe Stock Photos service.
To celebrate the unveiling of Adobe Creative Suite 3, Adobe will host a launch event in New York City that will be webcast live on today at 3:30 p.m. EDT.
Pricing and Availability
Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium and Standard, and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium and Standard will begin shipping in April 2007. Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection for Mac OS X on Intel-based systems and for Microsoft Windows XP and Windows Vista platforms will begin shipping worldwide in the third quarter of 2007. All configurations will be available through Adobe Authorized Resellers and the Adobe Store. Estimated street price for the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium is US$1799, US$1599 for Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium, US$1699 for Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium, and US$2499 for Adobe Creative Suite 3 Master Collection. There are numerous upgrade paths available for Adobe customers. For more detailed information about features, upgrade policies, pricing, and international versions please visit: www.adobe.com/go/creativesuite .
# 1 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
As previously revealed by AppleInsider, there are six all-new configurations of Adobe Creative Suite 3. These include, Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium and Design Standard editions; Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium and Web Standard editions; and Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium. Rounding out the product line is Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection which combines 12 of Adobes new design and development applications in a single box.
Nice to see Adobe following Microsoft by releasing six configurations.
Now all we need is the octo Mac Pros, Phenomenon, and Leopard. This should boost hardware sales nicely.
Neruda at 2007-11-17 11:30:01 >
# 2 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Just read this (http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/03/26/cs3main/index.php?lsrc=mwrss) over at Mac World. Here's the pertinent point:
“We are working very closely with Apple as they develop 10.5,” said Belohlavek. “We will have updates available specifically for Leopard as soon as possible after its release. We are testing Leopard and it’s very important to us to deliver the updates quickly.”
Very interesting indeed... ;) :) :smokey:
edit: Adobe also has upgrade pricing and flash-based presentations of some of the packages up on their website (http://www.adobe.com)
# 3 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
ummm the webcast is Wednesday, not today.
edit: guess not! I wonder why I thought it was on Wednesday? thanks, donebylee
edit2: I also thought it was at 7:30EST-9:00EST or something like that. whoops
-=|Mgkwho
mgkwho at 2007-11-17 11:32:01 >
# 4 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Rounding out the product line is Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection which combines 12 of Adobes new design and development applications in a single box. For a mere US 2499!
# 5 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
ummm the webcast is Wednesday, not today.
-=|Mgkwho
Ummmm, no. :D
If you need proof ( http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/launchevent/)
read the fine print...:)
# 6 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It's a great time to be a student. Can't wait to see the student pricing on the Web Premium package. That is, if they offer a student rate for all packages.
# 7 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Nice to see Adobe following Microsoft by releasing six configurations.
It's not really the same thing at All. Windows is one Product. They did it a little bit with Photoshop, but in order to be in true Microsoft fashion they would need to have
Adobe Photoshop Starter
Adobe Photoshop Amateur Basic
Adobe Photoshop Amateur Premium
Adobe Photoshop Amateur Ultimate
Adobe Photoshop Business
Adobe Photoshop Enterprise
# 8 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
My guys in the studio have done a quick perusal via the Adobe and Macworld sites. Overall, it looks quite impressive. Certainly the concensus is that this is a major overhaul and anyone who criticized its 'delay' should be on their knees and apologizing profusely. At least, quit griefing about it.
For the old guys who have been using Adobe prods for years, they all think that it is now time to rejuvenate. Get rid of the old habits, and start afresh. Surely it will be most beneficial for the new kids on the block. Now they will be on the same page.
One did crack about the necessity to change. To which those who were there, "You don't know the problems and griping raised during the transisiton from 25 cycle to 60 Same shit. Same shiter." For those who don't understand the analogy, try from 9 to X.
We can't wait to view the webcast. That and and upgrade. Of course, management (and I am part of it) will want to wait (not me). Cost is a major factor. Learning being part of cost. There will be some glitches, but knowing that is a possibility it will be resolved no doubt. We have learned that invaribly, it is usually the user at fault. Mainly for not doing their due diligence, which is in most cases, "You didn't follow instructions."
I don't allow crapping on developers. Crap happens. Have a lot of nice things happen just being nice, reasonable and understanding. Got 3 years of Apple Care for free once. Though I never have had to use it.
So I end my dissertation and suggest that before anyone starts to critique, do some homework. Let the thing settle in a bit. Read. Visit the Adobe site. Read. Check to see what other products are not included in the suite and what is in store for them, e.g., GoLive. Watch the webcast. Listen and do some more reading. And for those who just can't wait to jump all over the price, there are upgrade prices, but more important, it is a professional application above all. We have all the old iterations, because sometime or another there are those who will never move up and we have to able to work with them. Their business is just to valuable not to.
So let's be civil. It would be nice to have a forum of sensible discussions, open minded and willing to wait a few minutes more.
# 9 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
No sign of a GoLive update anywhere was there?
# 10 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
donebylee
Are you sure? Or are we talking about something different?
From your Adobe link:
"Adobe Creative Suite 3: See it live online
Attend the launch event online on March 27, or view the recorded webcast."
# 11 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
At $1699 for Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium, I don't think I'll be replacing final cut anytime soon. I'll probably pick up after effects and photoshop separately at a student price. Unless apple counters and I no longer need after effects. I've been wanting that for a long time.
Are the system requirements for this posted anywhere?
ecking at 2007-11-17 11:40:10 >
# 12 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
No sign of a GoLive update anywhere was there?
It is not part of the suite anymore. Check Adobe. It is coming later.
# 13 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It's funny, it seems like only yesterday that Adobe were violently denying rumours that they were scrapping GoLive in CS3.
Don't believe anything Adobe says.
# 14 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Are the system requirements for this posted anywhere?
Naturally. For example: InDesign go to http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/systemreqs/
# 15 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It's funny, it seems like only yesterday that Adobe were violently denying rumours that they were scrapping GoLive in CS3.
Don't believe anything Adobe says.
Are you sure? And your complaint is what?
The future of Adobe GoLive
In November, 2006, Adobe announced that Adobe Dreamweaver, the industry leader in web design and development, would be integrated into Adobe Creative Suite 3, and that the next version of Adobe GoLive would be available as a standalone product. We expect to make this new version, Adobe GoLive 9, available in late Spring 2007 in English, French, German, and Japanese. Until then, we will continue to sell and support GoLive CS2. Please refer to the GoLive FAQ (PDF, 120k) for more details. Further information about GoLive 9 will be available when we ship the new version. http://www.adobe.com/products/golive/index.html
# 16 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
For a mere US 2499!
But FREE shipping!....;)
# 17 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
donebylee
Are you sure? Or are we talking about something different?
From your Adobe link:
"Adobe Creative Suite 3: See it live online
Attend the launch event online on March 27, or view the recorded webcast."
I guess it depends on what you mean by webcast. If you tune in to the link I provided today at 3:30 p.m. EDT you will see the presentation live via the web. If that is not what you call a webcast then OK. To me it is.
And yes, a recorded version will be available later. And yes that would be a webcast too in my book.
Webcast = media broadcast over the web, whether it is live or not.
But if you want to wait until tomorrow...
Personally, with all the important info (at least from my point of view) already available on Adobe's website, I don't think that I'll take the time to watch it. I got my upgrade prices already and they are well within the budget so I'm good to go.
:D
# 18 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
My guys in the studio have done a quick perusal via the Adobe and Macworld sites. Overall, it looks quite impressive. Certainly the concensus is that this is a major overhaul and anyone who criticized its 'delay' should be on their knees and apologizing profusely. At least, quit griefing about it.
For the old guys who have been using Adobe prods for years, they all think that it is now time to rejuvenate. Get rid of the old habits, and start afresh. Surely it will be most beneficial for the new kids on the block. Now they will be on the same page.
One did crack about the necessity to change. To which those who were there, "You don't know the problems and griping raised during the transisiton from 25 cycle to 60 Same shit. Same shiter." For those who don't understand the analogy, try from 9 to X.
We can't wait to view the webcast. That and and upgrade. Of course, management (and I am part of it) will want to wait (not me). Cost is a major factor. Learning being part of cost. There will be some glitches, but knowing that is a possibility it will be resolved no doubt. We have learned that invaribly, it is usually the user at fault. Mainly for not doing their due diligence, which is in most cases, "You didn't follow instructions."
I don't allow crapping on developers. Crap happens. Have a lot of nice things happen just being nice, reasonable and understanding. Got 3 years of Apple Care for free once. Though I never have had to use it.
So I end my dissertation and suggest that before anyone starts to critique, do some homework. Let the thing settle in a bit. Read. Visit the Adobe site. Read. Check to see what other products are not included in the suite and what is in store for them, e.g., GoLive. Watch the webcast. Listen and do some more reading. And for those who just can't wait to jump all over the price, there are upgrade prices, but more important, it is a professional application above all. We have all the old iterations, because sometime or another there are those who will never move up and we have to able to work with them. Their business is just to valuable not to.
So let's be civil. It would be nice to have a forum of sensible discussions, open minded and willing to wait a few minutes more.
Thanks for keeping a calm head. The upgrade is sure to be a traumatic and trying experience for everyone. :rolleyes:
wilco at 2007-11-17 11:47:10 >
# 19 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Wow this is actually really well priced for students!
http://www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/education_pricing.html
After effects is $349! Photoshop CS3 Extended is 299! Design Standard is 399! Production Premium is $599!
Maybe I will change nles, but I've grown so fond of fcp. I hope the next fcp is priced crazy low as well.
ecking at 2007-11-17 11:48:19 >
# 20 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
At $1699 for Adobe Creative Suite 3 Production Premium, I don't think I'll be replacing final cut anytime soon. I'll probably pick up after effects and photoshop separately at a student price. Unless apple counters and I no longer need after effects. I've been wanting that for a long time.
Are the system requirements for this posted anywhere?
i would be very suprised if Premiere and its production tools match that of the Final Cut Studio suite... but it does have one advantage, the differential in cost for those that have the Design Premium package to upgrade to the Master package (which I think I read somewhere, Adobe is going to allow people to upgrade packages for the differential in price once the video apps are released later this year) is much less than the cost of FCS. i'm sure that the integration between other CS3 applications is going to be super tight.
film makers won't likely make the switch, but those that do video for web and non-film media content might be very attracted and i can see this being a good product for Adobe, bringing Premiere more into the mainstream than it is now. personally, i'm looking at this very closely and won't be buying the soon to be announced upgrade to FCS until after evaluating the Adobe offerings.
# 21 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Even though Adobe is patting themselves on the back about their Mac Intel versions and Premiere returning to Mac, you can easily tell that they are still very Windows-centric. When you view the the CS3 flash demos online, the loading animation is "borrowed" from Windows Vista's new "waiting" icon. Couldn't they come up with something else? Sheesh! Also I noticed that all the CS2 trial versions have been removed but the CS3 versions are not up yet either.
m
mstone at 2007-11-17 11:50:17 >
# 22 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Where's FrameMaker? And RoboHelp?
# 23 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
I guess it depends on what you mean by webcast. If you tune in to the link I provided today at 3:30 p.m. EDT you will see the presentation live via the web. If that is not what you call a webcast then OK. To me it is.
And yes, a recorded version will be available later. And yes that would be a webcast too in my book.
Webcast = media broadcast over the web, whether it is live or not.
But if you want to wait until tomorrow...
Personally, with all the important info (at least from my point of view) already available on Adobe's website, I don't think that I'll take the time to watch it. I got my upgrade prices already and they are well within the budget so I'm good to go.
:D
Sorry donebylee,
But now I am confused. My clock says it is the 27th and according to your link the webcast is today. Which I intend to watch today. I understood that you were saying that the 27th is not until tomorrow. Is this not convoluted or not.
Anyway, no problem.
In addition, as you pointed out, you have enough information to make a decision. I think i do too. However, not the staff (and I am part of them), it will be watched. Mainly for the nuances and those little subtleties that invaribly crop up when people talk live. I expect that a lot of the what is said will preempt a questions and thus save a lot of time later.
# 24 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Doublepost
# 25 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Even though Adobe is patting themselves on the back about their Mac Intel versions and Premiere returning to Mac, you can easily tell that they are still very Windows-centric. When you view the the CS3 flash demos online, the loading animation is "borrowed" from Windows Vista's new "waiting" icon. Couldn't they come up with something else? Sheesh! Also I noticed that all the CS2 trial versions have been removed but the CS3 versions are not up yet either.
m
That's hardly evidence of being "very" windows centric... a loading animation :rolleyes:
# 26 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Where's FrameMaker? And RoboHelp?
On the site.
Framemaker http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
Robohelp http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/
Best check the Adobe 'Products' section first.
# 27 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
On the site.
Framemaker http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
Robohelp http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/
Best check the Adobe 'Products' section first.
This being "AppleInsider" and all, he's probably referring to a Mac version. Got a link to that?
wilco at 2007-11-17 11:56:18 >
# 28 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Am I reading the chart correctly?
Is Photoshop only available in the Design Standard package? Do they not think that web Designers need Photoshop? Or production for that matter? And how can they have one called Master Collection that doesn't include the flagship App, PhotoShop?
Looks like there will have to be a lot of purchasing to get what many will need. They should instead have an ala-cart system. 4 choices for standard and 7 for premium. Master includes ALL of them.
It does smack of M$ marketing techniques. I guess they don't want to discourage pirating.
techno at 2007-11-17 11:57:24 >
# 29 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
This being "AppleInsider" and all, he's probably referring to a Mac version. Got a link to that?
Wasn't Framemaker for Mac discontinued a while back? (3 Years ago: Registered users were notified then)
Anyway here are the links
Framemaker Framemaker http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
Robohelp http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/
Best check the Adobe 'Products' section first.
Robohelp http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/productinfo/systemreqs/
(Still) Best check the Adobe 'Products' section first.
# 30 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Am I reading the chart correctly?
Is Photoshop only available in the Design Standard package? Do they not think that web Designers need Photoshop? Or production for that matter? And how can they have one called Master Collection that doesn't include the flagship App, PhotoShop?
Take a closer look. All but one of the other packages include Photoshop Extended. Design Standard is using the regular edition of Photoshop.
JeffDM at 2007-11-17 11:59:22 >
# 31 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Wasn't Framemaker for Mac discontinued a while back? (3 Years ago: Registered users were notified then)
Yeah. That's the point.
wilco at 2007-11-17 12:00:23 >
# 32 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Am I reading the chart correctly?
Is Photoshop only available in the Design Standard package? Do they not think that web Designers need Photoshop? Or production for that matter? And how can they have one called Master Collection that doesn't include the flagship App, PhotoShop?
Photoshop Extended is included.
# 33 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Can't wait to upgrade Macromedia Studio and PS7 to CS3 Web Premium! I won't know what to do with myself! $500 for a ton of new Intel-optimized apps, 2 or 3 versions beyond most that I've been using daily. Gimme!
I see that Adobe has taken down their former Freehand->Illustrator file-migration guide--but left a dead link. Hopefully that means new info is coming and the migration will now be easier than it used to be. Fingers crossed. I have a ton of Freehand 10 work, and I don't relish losing all my font kerning (or giving up editability) or having to do a lot of manual conversion.
# 34 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Yeah. That's the point.
Of what?
# 35 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Take a closer look. All but one of the other packages include Photoshop Extended. Design Standard is using the regular edition of Photoshop.
Yeah, that sucks. I only need the Big Four (PS Extended, Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat)... forget about all that web junk.
# 36 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Can't wait to upgrade Macromedia Studio and PS7 to CS3 Web Premium! I won't know what to do with myself! $500 for a ton of new Intel-optimized apps, 2 or 3 versions beyond most that I've been using daily. Gimme!
I see that Adobe has taken down their former Freehand->Illustrator file-migration guide--but left a dead link. Hopefully that means new info is coming and the migration will now be easier than it used to be. Fingers crossed. I have a ton of Freehand 10 work, and I don't relish losing all my font kerning (or giving up editability) or having to do a lot of manual conversion.
http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/illustrator/articles/illcs2ip_fhillmigr/illcs2ip_fhillmigr.pdf
See also http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/illustrator/articles/illcs2ip_fhilltech/illcs2ip_fhilltech.pdf
Great Resource http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/
# 37 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
That's hardly evidence of being "very" windows centric... a loading animation :rolleyes:
Actually I guess I jumped the gun. That animation is also used on the adobe store as a loading icon (in gray), just in that blue color it reminds me a lot of the Vista icon, maybe MS stole it from Adobe. But as an example of the inequality of the Mac vs Windows in Adobe offerings in the Master Collection
"Adobe OnLocation CS3 (Windows only), and Ultra CS3 (Windows only). "
If it is worth mentioning then it is worth money but you don't get a discount on the Mac version.
I'm still annoyed by the entire CS suite concept because I have owned every major title of Adobe and Macromedia for over 15 years but they don't give any upgrade path other than from Photoshop. I already own Ai, PS, Fl, Dw, Af, iD, Acrobat not to mention lots of other obsolete/discontinued titles from both houses but yet no upgrade path. "You sir, for your continued support, must pay full retail for the Master Collection."
m
mstone at 2007-11-17 12:06:32 >
# 38 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Of what?
The point being that maybe people should hold off on their "Yay! Adobe!" circle-jerk sessions until their Mac offerings are on par with their Windows offerings.
wilco at 2007-11-17 12:07:35 >
# 39 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Yeah, that sucks. I only need the Big Four (PS Extended, Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat)... forget about all that web junk.
Are you sure you need PS Extended?
JeffDM at 2007-11-17 12:08:36 >
# 40 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
The point being that maybe people should hold off on their "Yay! Adobe!" circle-jerk sessions until their Mac offerings are on par with their Windows offerings.
Up to now, I have been biting my tongue when it comes to wannabees slamming developers.
We have Macs and PCs, but only PCs for stress. (Clients think we need them) However try to get the staff to work on the PCs when they know it is much easier, more beautiful and less hassle to compile on the Mac side.
At the same time, however, we don't tolerate, 'until they do this or that, then your screw them attitude.'
As for Adobe, there isn't a professional graphic designer that I know of that doesn't appreciate the comprehensiveness of their programs and more importantly, how they have affected our futures and bottom lines. Adobe, has always been a close friend of the Mac, and in fact has reiterated time and time again, that if it weren't for Steve Jobs and the Mac, they would be non-existant.
For you to suggest that we should abandon our appreciation for Adobe's Mac products because they not on a par as you have somehow pre-determined with their Windows offerings, tells me that you are an absolute selfish ill-informed ignoramis. And trust me, my words are guarded.
# 41 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Are you sure you need PS Extended?
Absolutely. I just reviewed their new video. It looks great, and I could avoid going to Aperture if I don't have to, and the extra 3D functionality looks impressive.
# 42 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
US upgrade pricing Studio 8 to Web Premium $499
UK upgrade pricing Studio 8 to Web Premium 519
With added sales tax UK upgrade pricing should be around 300
I feel violated!
Stuart
# 43 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
...It looks great, and I could avoid going to Aperture if I don't have to, and the extra 3D functionality looks impressive.
Unfortunately ACR is still pretty much the bottom of the barrel for conversion quality. Which is a shame since everything Adobe has built around ACR is quite nicely thought out.
# 44 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Up to now, I have been biting my tongue when it comes to wannabees slamming developers.
We have Macs and PCs, but only PCs for stress. (Clients think we need them) However try to get the staff to work on the PCs when they know it is much easier, more beautiful and less hassle to compile on the Mac side.
At the same time, however, we don't tolerate, 'until they do this or that, then your screw them attitude.'
As for Adobe, there isn't a professional graphic designer that I know of that doesn't appreciate the comprehensiveness of their programs and more importantly, how they have affected our futures and bottom lines. Adobe, has always been a close friend of the Mac, and in fact has reiterated time and time again, that if it weren't for Steve Jobs and the Mac, they would be non-existant.
For you to suggest that we should abandon our appreciation for Adobe's Mac products because they not on a par as you have somehow pre-determined with their Windows offerings, tells me that you are an absolute selfish ill-informed ignoramis. And trust me, my words are guarded.
Thanks for the Adobe/Apple history lesson, but are you for real?
Pointing out that Adobe is neglecting some Mac users makes me a "wannabe developer"? Your overly-emotional defense of a software company says a lot more about you than I.
And, for what it's worth, when attempting to insult someone, try not to misspell the word. :rolleyes:
wilco at 2007-11-17 12:13:43 >
# 45 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Unfortunately ACR is still pretty much the bottom of the barrel for conversion quality. Which is a shame since everything Adobe has built around ACR is quite nicely thought out.
Care to elaborate on this? Is there a real reason why Aperture would be superior in this regard? Thanks.
# 46 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
The point being that maybe people should hold off on their "Yay! Adobe!" circle-jerk sessions until their Mac offerings are on par with their Windows offerings.
in what way are their mac offerings not on par with their windows offerings
# 47 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Still find it strange why Adobe didn't include Lightroom in one of their Suites.
theGAR at 2007-11-17 12:16:39 >
# 48 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
in what way are their mac offerings not on par with their windows offerings
RTFT.
wilco at 2007-11-17 12:17:42 >
# 49 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
RTFT.
Is that at all related to RTFM?
# 50 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Is that at all related to RTFM?
And brother-in-law to FTFF :lol:
# 51 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
I assume some of you are watching the live webcast?
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/launchevent/webcast/
# 52 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
I assume some of you are watching the live webcast?
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/launchevent/webcast/
Yep. Just finished.
Staff yelling to update. With a raise.
# 53 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Yep. Just finished.
Staff yelling to update. With a raise.
Update... but only give a raise if they can meet their individual and group goals... :lol:
# 54 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Thanks for keeping a calm head. The upgrade is sure to be a traumatic and trying experience for everyone. :rolleyes:
ROFL :lol: ...In any case AfterEffects in "3rd quarter 2007" would mean motion graphics peoples to be pushed back in their MacIntel purchases to 2nd half of 2007... :err: :\
Yeah, I'm not concerned at this stage who makes what and how fast? How would I influence this progress? I'm more interested in timelines, shipping products, and educating people that don't have the time to spend all day on forumz and stuffz with what I currently know.
Peace out.
# 55 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
ROFL :lol: ...In any case AfterEffects in "3rd quarter 2007" would mean motion graphics peoples to be pushed back in their MacIntel purchases to 2nd half of 2007... :err: :\
Yeah, I'm not concerned at this stage who makes what and how fast? How would I influence this progress? I'm more interested in timelines, shipping products, and educating people that don't have the time to spend all day on forumz and stuffz with what I currently know.
Peace out.
Well Production Studio is going to be available April 16th as a beta on Adobe labs. If its at least as stable as PS CS3 beta than it will do.
Also Apple should be comming out with FCStudio 6 April 15th. Nobody knows whether Apple has their Motion/Shake ready but if it is , say bye bye to AE. ( At least i will , AE is dog slow compared to Motion but Motion lacks some great AE features )
# 56 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
I don't understand the idea of keeping GoLive alive, but shipping it as a standalone.
Is it being positioned downmarket from Dreamweaver?
I had thought that GoLive would be pushed to designers while Dreamweaver was pushed to the Coders.
But the marketing for Dreamweaver CS3 has the program being pushed to both markets.
I do like the idea of GoLive continuing, but I don't understand where it's headed.
# 57 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
there r some shortcommings in the mac versions of macromedia sw like flash. Performance wise as well as from a UI standpoint. Think it's cos they used some sort of java lingo for the gui. Same issue plagues the layer palette in fireworks (not resolved as of fw cs3 beta). DW's interface si prolly the best behaved.
Hopefully adobe might've sorted that out.
i'm still pondering a move to quark esp if indesign and illustrator remain as bug ridden as cs2
There's 1 thing that i liked on the pc with phsop : you could use the scrollwheel or the up and down cursor keys to switch between pull down menu options (like the layer blend modes in the layer pallettes.) However i reckon this is more an os x limitation.
I'd like there to be more support for the os X font palette. Have an option to use that instead of the built in ones. the OS X palette isn't the best either (cmd +w doesn't close it for example) but it lets for quick searching and previewing of fonts. (something that apple can update together with the colour picker!)
Funny i see many bemoan the lack of golive updates (thought it would be a given). Freehand will be sorely missed here - it was showing its age though especially the lack of unicode support. Any chance of multipage layout in illustrator and perhaps less resource hungry app!
</end rant>
# 58 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
And brother-in-law to FTFF :lol:
Cousins..:D
# 59 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
well, I'm excited about the Premium Design Bundle. I am confused about Fireworks a little bit, but at the end of the day I use Photoshop, Illustrator, Image Ready, Flash/Dreamweaver, so I'm all ready to go. I saw someone mention about Lightroom. I was suprised at first too, but being that it's not an expensive app for what it does, it's worth the extra money. I don't think to many Photographers would be interested in a whole Suite of Applications. All they really need is Lightroom and or Photoshop. I have already bought Lightroom, i used the Beta for a while and liked it more than Aperture. They both have there ups and downs, but I just felt like I knew my way around Lightroom a little better, I guess it's because I use a lot of other Adobe products. Lightroom runs amazing on my Mac Pro, and from what I herd Photoshop CS3 ran really nicely. Hopefully the rest of the suite will be the same way :D
# 60 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
My guys in the studio have done a quick perusal via the Adobe and Macworld sites. Overall, it looks quite impressive. Certainly the concensus is that this is a major overhaul and anyone who criticized its 'delay' should be on their knees and apologizing profusely. At least, quit griefing about it.
So they take ages to start developing properly for OS X and are only just giving us Mach-O binary plugins despite OS X being out for 7 years so everyone will need to update their entire collection, they charge more than the last CS suite and we can only buy the configurations they set out and we're supposed to be grateful?
They should have made it so you could buy individual apps with multiple purchase discounts.
My reaction to this release is 'Finally!' and 'OMG, that's expensive'.
Marvin at 2007-11-17 12:29:57 >
# 61 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It is definitely expensive.
Spare me the "Pros can afford these prices" rant. I know that. However, with Macromedia swallowed up I'm definitely sensing that Adobe doesn't feel it has to hold the line on pricing anymore.
Upgrades are from previous versions of the CS suite. I haven't seen any upgrade pricing for people who only own Photoshop. That tells me that Adobe isn't concerned about any potential threat to Photoshop on either platform.
For those who keep saying that they wish Quark would go away, be careful what you wish for.
Because the existence of Quark is probably the only thing keeping CS pricing from moving even higher.
# 62 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It is definitely expensive.
Spare me the "Pros can afford these prices" rant. I know that. However, with Macromedia swallowed up I'm definitely sensing that Adobe doesn't feel it has to hold the line on pricing anymore.
Upgrades are from previous versions of the CS suite. I haven't seen any upgrade pricing for people who only own Photoshop. That tells me that Adobe isn't concerned about any potential threat to Photoshop on either platform.
For those who keep saying that they wish Quark would go away, be careful what you wish for.
Because the existence of Quark is probably the only thing keeping CS pricing from moving even higher.
No, you're wrong on that. There is upgrade pricing for PhotoShop owners for both the CS 3 and PhotoShop (https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-US&nr=0) as a standalone product. Click on upgrade and choose your option.
# 63 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
What I meant was an upgrade path for people who only had Photoshop to move to the entire CS suite.
In the past, there was an "upgrade from Photoshop" price where you could get the whole suite.
# 64 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
What I meant was an upgrade path for people who only had Photoshop to move to the entire CS suite.
In the past, there was an "upgrade from Photoshop" price where you could get the whole suite.
Again, read the upgrade tabs. There is an upgrade path from just PhotoShop to the entire suite.
# 65 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
So Adobe no longer offers Photoshop Elements for the Mac? :devil: Only for PCs? :no:
iPeon at 2007-11-17 12:34:55 >
# 66 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It is definitely expensive.
No it's not, at least not for you.
In the EU it is expensive, even before our VAT.
Residents of the US and Canada are the lucky bastards who pay about 62% of the price EU residents have to pay.
There was a time, about 5 years ago.
We had to pay about 2499 euro for one copy of Quark Xpress while a US citizen payed less than $1,000 for the same product. (Okay, Quark chocked on it because every European designer in his right mind jumped ship and Quark lowered the price to 1999 euro and eventually 1499 euro in 2005)
So please stop complaining or come over to this side of the pond.
gar at 2007-11-17 12:36:03 >
# 67 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
It is definitely expensive.
Spare me the "Pros can afford these prices" rant. I know that. However, with Macromedia swallowed up I'm definitely sensing that Adobe doesn't feel it has to hold the line on pricing anymore.
Upgrades are from previous versions of the CS suite. I haven't seen any upgrade pricing for people who only own Photoshop. That tells me that Adobe isn't concerned about any potential threat to Photoshop on either platform.
For those who keep saying that they wish Quark would go away, be careful what you wish for.
Because the existence of Quark is probably the only thing keeping CS pricing from moving even higher.
i'm not sure i get this. i ordered the design premium and it comes with all the usual adobe design apps and a macromedia apps flash and dreamweaver. last i checked, the $599 price was less than it would have cost me in the past to update all these apps to a new suite. is it really that expensive? maybe if it was just the normal design apps it would have been considered fairly expensive, but to upgrade from cs2 basic to cs3 with the macro apps seems like a decent deal to me.
# 68 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
No it's not, at least not for you.
In the EU it is expensive, even before our VAT.
Residents of the US and Canada are the lucky bastards who pay about 62% of the price EU residents have to pay.
There was a time, about 5 years ago.
We had to pay about 2499 euro for one copy of Quark Xpress while a US citizen payed less than $1,000 for the same product. (Okay, Quark chocked on it because every European designer in his right mind jumped ship and Quark lowered the price to 1999 euro and eventually 1499 euro in 2005)
So please stop complaining or come over to this side of the pond.
Nah, I feel pretty safe at night here. Besides, I like to vacation there and everything is freekn expensive over there. I think I paid 40 euro just to breathe the air last time I was over there.
:D
aplnub at 2007-11-17 12:38:00 >
# 69 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
No, you're wrong on that. There is upgrade pricing for PhotoShop owners for both the CS 3 and PhotoShop (https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-US&nr=0) as a standalone product. Click on upgrade and choose your option.
You don't expand your market share by upgrades. You retain marketshare.
New buyers will have to invest heavily to use this stuff.
# 70 Re: Adobe unleashes Creative Suite 3 product line
Again, read the upgrade tabs. There is an upgrade path from just PhotoShop to the entire suite.
I'll check more closely. The Canadian Apple Store only lists the upgrade from CS ($499) and the full version ($1499.)
