Al Jazeera closed down in Iraq

In the past it's been shown that Al Jazeera is literally a production company for "militants" and terrorist. Staged video produced to romanticize kidnapping, murder and terrorism in the name of "jihad". So why shouldn't the Iraqi government shut down that propaganda engine for those that want to stop democracy in Iraq?

Originally posted by Scott
In the past it's been shown that Al Jazeera is literally a production company for "militants" and terrorist. Staged video produced to romanticize kidnapping, murder and terrorism in the name of "jihad". So why shouldn't the Iraqi government shut down that propaganda engine for those that want to stop democracy in Iraq?

Not even my Israeli friends say nonsense like that about Al Jazeera. Maybe you should suscribe* to it and wach it before commenting...for that thing called credibility you know?

* It's available to Dish Network suscribers in the US. The horror!

Originally posted by Scott
You must have missed it on CNN. They had video from Al Jazeera of "Faluja's youngest ambulance driver". They put some 12 year old kid behind the wheel of anbulance. Did some fake interiew about how he goes around and picks up the "freedom fighters" injured by americans and takes them to the hospital. A real hero and model for all young muslims on how to contribute to jihad. Then the kid drives 20 feet before they start yelling "stop come back" and take him out of it. Pure theater. Pure propoganda. All produced by Al Jazeera in conjunction with terrorist and murders.

Maybe you weren't watching that day? BTW your Israel friends must be brain dead.

Wait a minute, how do you know the kid isn't an ambulance driver?

More than 300 killed in air raids in Fallujah over the past few days. It is apparently not an issue because:

1) the iraqi government is doing it.
2) there are no innocent lives worth considering to restrain aerial bombing and anyone dead is a supporter of Al-Sadr (TM).

So if you are in Fallujah, too bad. Television stations like Al Jazeera are bad because the Iraqi government says so.

Alliance soldiers are going around shooting people in their native land under the umbrella of liberalization even after a new government has been formed.

I wonder if Iraq is the definition of hell on earth. But then I take a look at the countries where countless people die of starvation. I guess dying from a gun shot beats dying due to starvation.

It is a shame that we are indifferent to the deeds done by our elected leaders. Bad karma doesn't have be based on individual deeds.

In times of war some freedoms must be withheld to maintain, or in the case of Iraq, establish order.

Those guys didn't have to deal with the technological power of today's media. It is easy to insight people, it is hard to calm them down.

Originally posted by Common Man
Those guys didn't have to deal with the technological power of today's media. It is easy to insight people, it is hard to calm them down.

No, they had to deal with essential, fundamental truths.

These truths that made the idea of America a shining light.

These truths are still true. Denying them makes one a lying shite.

The Common Man would control the facts and essential liberty to ensure 'order.' The only people who ever tried to do that failed and history hates them. You ought to think about that.

Ah, this must be the kind of thing you mean, I see now. ( http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/terror.wrap/index.html)

The media shouldn't be allowed to report stuff like this!

Stuff released by, um, the American government.

Originally posted by Scott
Yea. It gives al Jazeera too much lead time to warn their terrorists patrons.
Al Jazeera is just a TV channel. Nothing more, nothing less. It's popular in the Middle East because it's kinda sensational and kinda racy compared to state channels and it's not obliged to kiss and nuzzle American arses, as you would evidently wish. That's it.

Here's the url for the English site. (http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage) Tell you what, WHY DON'T YOU GO AND TAKE A FRIGGING LOOK AT IT?

This is pseudo off-topic but does anybody know why Al Jazeera's site wants to get Safari to download a file called "BreakingNews.aspx" and how to get it to stop?

Yes here is some extremist propoganda:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3741718D-EB14-4643-9FCB-477944E20DA8.htm

Originally posted by SDW2001
Al-Jazeera is not legitimate, nor professional. Harald, that's a joke. It's nothing but a propoganda machine for Islamic extremism.

Not legitimate? According to who? The US Board of TV Station Legitimisers?

Not professional? According to who? People who *haven't ever watched it and know nothing about television production*?

A propaganda machine for Islamic extremism? Boy oh boy. Well if you remain the last person under the delusion that the US TV is 'liberal,' you have a mortal fear of anything Islamic and you glug the Rummy Kool Ade from 40s, then yes, that's not a surprising thing to say.

Nevertheless, as Hassan said, "It's just a frigging TV channel," and it's one about which you don't know a fucking thing.

Originally posted by SDW2001
I won't respond to you ridiculous personal attacks, but I will address the issue.

Let me ask...why is that that Al-Jazeera always seems to get the finest video tapes of terrorists making demands and/or threatening the west? Where do those connections come from? Al-Jazeera's propoganda is well documented. Please. The connection is so obvious, it's actually ridiculous.

Edit: I wouldn't feel complete unless I used the word RIDICULOUS one more time. End of post.

Come on then. Well documented propaganda (it's proAganda goddamit)? Well documented? Should be easy for you to dig up then. GOOD links please.

The connection is so obvious? Come on then. Show me some of this good documentation and really obvious connections.

Where did I hear this kind of "well documented, completely obvious" stuff before? Let me think ... oh yeh, that was Rummy too. Justifying the Iraq war. And the WMD was bullshit too.

The connection is quite obvious. It would either take a blind man or an Arab apologist to see otherwise.
Al-Jazeera has obvious connections to the terrorists.

By the way, what their site says in english is surely not what it says in arabic. Just like Arafat, who talks out of both sides of his ass.

Originally posted by faust9
I'm sorry, but you and scott are the Ridiculous ones here.. Oh and can't forget the common man either. You claim Al Jazeera is evil in every way shape ot form yet offer no proof. Ridiculous. You make baseless allegations expecting us to simply believe you. Ridiculous. You, common man, make references to soviet ideals as applicable to modern democracies. Ridiculous. You use phrases like "well documented" while not actually supplying one iota of this documentation. Ridiculous. I might be going out on a limb here but I'm assuming you don't even know the history of Al-Jazeera. Ridiculous. You feel that because Al-Jazeera reports from a different perspective they are automatically wrong. Ridiculous. You feel that because Al-Jazeera airs tapes and feeds not aired here they are in league with the terrorists. Ridiculous.

Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Ridiculous.

PS. before throwing around phrases like "The connection is so obvious..." you should look into historical instances of this idea and how often it is wrong. Ridculous.

I'm still waiting for Scott to post examples....still waiting.

I think all the in-house neocons should get together and start a boycott of Dish Network for offering such an "obvious" terrorist propaganda channel like Al-Jazeera in their programming.

I mean, by showing Al Jazeera it's "obvious" they're not with us, so they must be against us! Shut the sucker down I say, shut it down!

Originally posted by steve666
Just because you have a few arab friends you decide that all arabs are like your friends? Pretty sophomoric.

Al Jazeera gets these tapes immediately. They know where the terrorists are, they have complete access to them.

Al Jazeera is the publicity arm of Al Queda and if you're too blind to see that thats your problem.

Still no substance. I challenged you to provide even an inkling of proof... You've given us none... I still say you're in cahoots with the devil until you prove otherwise.

Originally posted by faust9
Still no substance. I challenged you to provide even an inkling of proof... You've given us none... I still say you're in cahoots with the devil until you prove otherwise. Well, Lyndan LaRouche thinks he has the information which shows that Dick Cheney is part of a long line of 'Synarchists' who learned from Leo Strauss a Hitlerian, Psuedo-Neitszchean form of Fascism and beast/man worship that is tantamount to being a form of Satanism.

LONG MANIFESTO (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:k_ai46dnoYcJ:larouchein2004.net/pdfs/pamphlet0401cos2.pdf+chicago+stock+exchange+chanti ng+kerry&hl=en)

Its fascinating reading . . . old school conspiracy stuff from the ultra fringe, with just enough truth to keep in interesting. :lol: ;)

Originally posted by steve666
Dude, Al Jazeera is the publishing arm of Al-Queda. If they didnt show their videos, their propaganda, and their slant than Al-Queda would be losing much of their audience and publicity tool.

Do I really need to show you something other than what you've already seen from Al-Jazeera's own actions?

In Iraq, they didnt show iraqi'd cheering and knocking down statues of saddam, they only showed the body count from the war.

Yes you do need to show us something. I've stated this a few times already. Not playing these videos wont make terrorism go away. Hiding from this wont make it stop. Showing the videos is news. As I've pointed out already our media outlets played the videos until the idea that OBL was passing secret messages in them was thrown around. The videos are news. Finding the Nick Berg video over here is pretty easy. Fox played the video for god's sake. I guess Fox is a terrorist network as well by your logic. Play a video become a terrorist.

Terrorists don't need propaganda. The propaganda his passed around madrasas(spelling?). Propaganda is spread during prayer. Propaganda comes from many sources. Al-Jazeera (formerly BBC ME) simply reports. They report in a style similar to the BBC as a matter of fact which isn't surprising because the two split off only a few years ago (2001'ish). The reporters and editors and the like are BBC trained. But of course you knew that. You knew a lot of these guys where trained in western colleges and under western reporters. You know they sell a product as does Fox news. They target their audience as does Fox. Al-Jazeera is no better or worse than Fox except Al-Jazeera doesn't broadcast to you. Al-Jazeera broadcasts to a ME audience but they don't do so as terrorist propagandists.

I'm truely sorry you can't see the differece between reporting a news story, especially one from a different perspective, and true terrorism. Sad what this country has come to really. You're with us or against us. You report what we want you to report our you're a terrorist sympathizer. Heaven forbid we allow a news organization to exist that speaks to a different audience.

Well you take care because I see debating you is like telling the wind not to blow. Stay in your comfy us or them world.

Time for bed--Good night.

Well, gosh, sdw, according to your argument so does ABC ( http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/miller_binladen_980609.html) and Time ( http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101031215/).

Your act gets less and less amusing by the minute.

Originally posted by SDW2001
Threads like this make me wonder if some of you folks are for real. Are we actually arging about Al-Jazeera having terrorist connections? Can you even be serious?

Don't you have like tons of evidence to shut them up?

Originally posted by Scott
In the past it's been shown that Al Jazeera is literally a production company for "militants" and terrorist. Staged video produced to romanticize kidnapping, murder and terrorism in the name of "jihad". So why shouldn't the Iraqi government shut down that propaganda engine for those that want to stop democracy in Iraq?

Similar to the US-networks with its embedded reporters that should show the war in a very clean and patriotic way, and the staged hero-tales of some US-soldier that got freed from prisonship?

Propaganda is on both sides active, the US and the arabic side. The US-side doesn't like to see video-reports of dead iraqi-civilians, when it was the US-army that killed them, and that's exactly what Al-Jazeera is showing, the death of civilians in that war.

The decision of the US to shut down Aljazeera's offices in Iraq is a sign of intellectual poverty and of drastic censorship.

Nightcrawler

Originally posted by Nightcrawler
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But, maybe you are wondering why only Al-Jazeera gets these videos. It's because it's the only censor-free(!!) arabic network available.

Nightcrawler

:wow: :lol:

Originally posted by steve666
I echo that.
These guys actually believe Al-Jazeera is a truthful, honest organization without ties to terrorists.

And did you also know that pigs fly?

Honestly, some of you guys are so damn naive. Al Jazeera is a biased news organization who's bias comes from their position and perspecctive as a Muslim News agency centered in the ME. They are the equivalent of the M. Eastern FOX news . .
But there is no indication that they have any ties to terrorists or any support for the terrorist's causes . . . they would be the first to go if AQ were to gain power!

It is almost as if it were an assumption that because they are biased towards Muslim issues and perspecctives they are terrorists . . . which is a stone's throw away from saying that they are Arabs and are therefor terrorists

Originally posted by Harald
Tap tap tap.

Awaiting one of the "well-documented" documents.

Awaiting something beyond "Everybody knows. Look, al Qaida release their messages to an Arab language station so they're connected."

You dont seem to get it. We already know about their ties to the terrorists because they have proven it to us.
Now how about YOU provide us proof that they arent?

Bushie, 8.5.4: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

LMAO. I saw that on TV. That's the leader of the "free world" for you. Quite amazing.

Originally posted by steve666
You dont seem to get it. We already know about their ties to the terrorists because they have proven it to us.
Ah, so you say that proof exists! You should be able to provide it then, huh?

Dude, Al Jazeera is the publishing arm of Al-Queda. If they didnt show their videos, their propaganda, and their slant than Al-Queda would be losing much of their audience and publicity tool.


You mean like how CNN showed those videos? And EVERYONE else?

Put up or shut up. None of you have any links to support your malformed arguments.

As for terrorist media, how about that whole Novak-Plame thing? Now *that* was ridiculous. Media always interviews and contacts all sides of a conflict. What do you want them to do? Not report on Al Quaeda? That would be...stupid. Or as you would like to say "sophomoric."

Granted I'm playing Devil's Advocate a little. But your bunch are such kneejerks. It's the middle East, everything over there is shady and anything's possible, but hey, I wouldn't be surprised if there were Quaeda operatives in US media. Again, where's the linkage and examples.

Originally posted by Harald
No, hold on. You know of their ties to terrorists?

Very simple question: what are these ties?

Very simple question: what's your evidence?

This is just like "Everybody knows Saddam has WMD," made up by the same people for the same reason.

IF IT'S SOOOOOO OBVIOUS, SHOW US SOME PROOF.

You can't. There isn't any. But there's lots of evidence to show that Al Jazeera is a well-run, professional TV network.

Yeah, I know talking to the people who believe their own BS is like watching one of those shows about UFOs. " Now that we know this that other thing also must be true ".
Falsehood based on a falsehood.

PS. I'm not making a comment on UFOs in gerneral or their authenticity or not. I'm just commenting on the shows.

As usual no proof.

"Everyone KNOWS there are WMDs. If you don't believe that, you're obviously an idiot."

"Everyone KNOWS there are ties between Iraq an Al Qaeda. If you don't believe that, ou're obviously an idiot."

"Everyone KNOWS Al Jazeera is intended to be a tool for terrorism. If you don't believe that, ou're obviously an idiot."

No wonder GWB doesn't have affairs. He's got plenty of jerk-off material just thinking about how easy it is to make you guys believe whatever he wants. You're so naive and gullible it's sad.

Originally posted by tonton
As usual no proof.

"Everyone KNOWS there are WMDs. If you don't believe that, you're obviously an idiot."

"Everyone KNOWS there are ties between Iraq an Al Qaeda. If you don't believe that, ou're obviously an idiot."

"Everyone KNOWS Al Jazeera is intended to be a tool for terrorism. If you don't believe that, ou're obviously an idiot."

No wonder GWB doesn't have affairs. He's got plenty of jerk-off material just thinking about how easy it is to make you guys believe whatever he wants. You're so naive and gullible it's sad.

Who's talking about that other shit.
There were no WMDs in Iraq-I agree
There were no ties between Iraq and Al-Queda-I agree
Al-Jazeera is a tool for terrorists-It is

What was your point?
The real naivete is thinking Al-Jazeera is a legitimiate news organization.

Originally posted by steve666
Against what? Arab terrorists?

Please. We've been asking throughout this entire two-page thread, over a period of five days, for ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE that Al Jazeera are pro-terrorist, rather than simply reporting the news, in an unbiased manner, as it is, and you can't come up with anything. Ergo: prejudice and misinformation.

Originally posted by steve666
There is more than one example-everything they do is pro-terrorist. Open your eyes and ears, displace your anti-American hatred for a while, and learn something.

Give an example. Or please, concede defeat. "Everybody knows" is not an answer, especially when most people in the world disagree.

Why is it so fucking hard to give an example?

And we all know Jews drink childrens blood. No need to prove that either I guess.

Originally posted by steve666
Most intelligent people in the world know what Al-Jazeera is all about.

That is exactly why you have no clue, I'd propose.

Originally posted by steve666
You are growing tiresome, harald.
Most intelligent people in the world know what Al-Jazeera is all about.

steve666, is there anything that would convince you of the truth of evolution?

Shit, wrong thread.

steve666, can you please give an example of al Jazeera's terrorist sympathies?

Originally posted by steve666
Wow, what a clever retort. How long have you waited to use the 'not me, maybe you' line?

This isnt exactly the Algonquin Round Table, is it? I'll leave all you leftist lovers alone for awhile until you can find something more contructive to say.

It was clever enough for someone who claims to be part of that 'intelligent' crowd but who cannot put up any proof. Until you learn to support your hypotheses, you'd best not compare yourself to Ross and Benchley.

I suppose you could compare yourself to Harpo Marx, though. You certainly are funny.

hehehe, what a sad little bunch of weenies

Evidence destroys the power of faith

This thread has me in complete stundination.
t.fall

Originally posted by faust9
resorting to pressing the "I believe" button.

Damn! Where's that button on my keyboard!?!

Originally posted by faust9
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Even more evidence that you're the anti-Christ.

They dont call me belzebub for nothing :devil:

Al is no worse than Drudge, Fox or a whole lot of others. There is a market for pro-Muslim news and they fill it, but they didn't create it.

Well if you take the argument that "OmG it Incites TERra!111" to its logical conclusion, why not just lobotomise the entire Iraqi populace and subject them to 24/7 Fox news?

How do you think an ordinary Iraqi would respond to the news that the only non-occupier news source has been banned? No, Scott, Nascar ratings are not going to improve.

BTW, doesn't Iraq have some interim constitution or something? If banning a news media outlet on the grounds that "OmG it Is saying teh nasty against us" is allowable under a constitution, I fear for the future of the country.

Originally posted by Nightcrawler
It seems like Al-Jazeera was closed down in Iraq because the US-army is planning a major offensive against the insurgents in Najaf, Falludscha, Kut, and even in some suburbs of Bagdad, and Al-Jazeera would definetly be the only media there to report and show the damage as well as the killed civilians extensively, which could lead to an uprising of the iraqis against the occupiers.

Nightcrawler

And of course fail to mention that the insurgents are killing Iraqis daily.

Originally posted by midwinter
Sadr's militia is made up of insurgents?

They are fighting Iraq's interim govmnt, correct?
They are going against the wishes of other Shia leaders, correct?
They are slowing down the election process correct?

Yes, they are insurgents. They are in addition to the foreign insurgents we are currently battling against.

Originally posted by midwinter
Well my foot sure tastes good. For some reason, I had it in my head that insurgents came from somewhere else to help fight. I was wrong--and have been so consistently in a public fashion in places other than here.

I guess you learn something new every day.

We all make mistakes. Trouble is, if the media feeds you the official line, your truth gets a bit distorted. This issue has nothing to do with why Al Jazeera needed to be closed down of course.