Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
And I don't mean huge as in disk space huge...I mean huge update.
Apple's been moving lots of things to Cocoa lately. Another thread in this forum was talking about QT possibly being Cocoaized for 10.3. If this happened...we'd definitely see a Cocoa QT and maybe a Cocoa Finder. And why not? A lot of things can happen in a year at the pace Apple is going. They certainly haven't been sitting on their hands. And now that the OS as a whole is complete, Apple can really start concentrating on little details.
Chances are we'll see a new database file system and hopfully a rewritten Finder (one that doesn't suck...and one that makes really good use of the database file system). I'm sure all the current apps shipped in 10.2 will get a fairly major update and the OS itself will get more speed optimizations.
By the time 10.3 comes out, we'll probably have the new iTunes and possibly iWorks. Or Apple might wait and ship these apps with 10.3 making 10.3 a must-have update almost instantly.
Could you imagine? 10.3 for $129:
iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database)
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2)
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
QT7
DVD Player 4
Just this suite of app would be worth getting 10.3. But somehow I think 10.3 will go beyond the addition of apps and the update of apps.
Like I said...a database file system...a file recovery program...a vastly improved Finder (come on, this is overdue...you know they've been working on some top secret rewrite of the Finder in the last 2 years). Good ol' BeOS' Dominic wasn't hired for just a journaling filesystem...there's more to this I'm sure.
This year will be frickin' amazin'. 10.3. Major updates to apps. New iWorks. And the 970s.
I apologize if this thread could have been merged with another...but I feel like this thread should stand alone from the other 10.3 threads.
[ 03-17-2003: Message edited by: kim kap sol ]</p>
# 1 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I will rather get a new machine with 10.3 preinstalled ;)
Leonis at 2007-11-17 13:12:29 >
# 2 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
<blockquote>Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>I will rather get a new machine with 10.3 preinstalled ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
You are not alone ;)
# 3 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
anyone have the system requirements for 10.3 as of yet?
# 4 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
anyone have the system requirements for 10.3 as of yet?
PPC 970. :P
Hobbes at 2007-11-17 13:15:33 >
# 5 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
lol so my G3 600 wont kick it?
# 6 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
God I just want a new Finder. Please.
# 7 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
It's just you.
:D
# 8 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by serrano
God I just want a new Finder. Please.
What exactly do you want to see in this "new Finder"? And what is this directory file system or whatever that the guy who started this column wants to see in 10.3?
# 9 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
(muhaha... gotta love that damn knight rider theme. :D)
a properly threaded finder that doesnt completely hang when looking for unavailable network devices would do fine already.
# 10 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
It's gonna be huge, I hope.
I think it has to be. With the Quartz advantage and an updated range of software and not to mention the iWorks et al software blitz Fred Anderson is hinting at...then Apple need to keep piling on the pressure on M$.
The only way Apple is going to get growth is if they offer software, OS and hardware offerings that are cleary superior to Windows in everyway.
Classic Mac advantages of ease of use, elegance and the new digital hub mantra need to be pressed home. With OS 'X', many things should be possible.
And Kim's list is a worthy place to start for 10.3. I'm expecting a tidal wave of features to make Jag' look like a domestic cat...
Go Panther...
Lemon Bon Bon :cool:
# 11 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Well... Along with what others have already requested... one other thing that I'd love to see in 10.3 is a really good 'switch user' feature.
As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.
Ugh... I just can't wait for more people to go 'classic free'... I've not had a Mac OS 9 System Folder for quite some time now and it feels SO good! :)
Dave
# 12 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
anyone have the system requirements for 10.3 as of yet?
I would assume it will run on the came computers that can run Mac OS 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2, but it's probably best to wait until after WWDC to get real answers.
# 13 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by The Pfhor
What exactly do you want to see in this "new Finder"? And what is this directory file system or whatever that the guy who started this column wants to see in 10.3?
How about decent multithreading? Sheesh, the Finder is like the only app the hangs my system for any time. Try copying (or even just moving) a lot of files from one folder to another. Painful.
People think OS X is slower than OS 9 because they interact with the Finder so much. Perception is important for convincing more people to switch to OS X.
# 14 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Leonis
I will rather get a new machine with 10.3 preinstalled ;)
Same here. I'm looking forward to buying a nice new Rev.B 12-inch PowerBook 1Ghz with 1GB RAM, DVI-out, and Mac OS X 10.3 Panther preinstalled. :D
Oh, and Panther is definitely going to be huge. Only caveat: I don't think we'll get iWorks included for free. Remember, they charge $100 just for Keynote.
Escher
Escher at 2007-11-17 13:25:42 >
# 15 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by DaveGee
As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.
Dave
Thats my thought too, how can you expect classic to utilize the finder from X if it's a cocoa only app that classic can't use...
My feeling is that Apple will finally kill off OS 9 with it.
I think it's fair, if Quark is out for X by then pretty much everything has been ported (I know some people will have stuff that still hasn't made it over or never will, and I do sympathise).
We're at a stage where Macs no longer boot into 9 it's a logical step to kill off classic. Hopefully losing all that code neccesary to keep up classic as a viable option might make things zip a bit quicker in X...
# 16 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
feature list: (aka wish list)
-Databased, self optimizing File System.
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic.
-Cocoa Finder
-Some sort of awesome meta-data system to replace Labels ( and all the bitching that that brought)
-KHTML/Safari html renderer boosting help, sherlock and other web enabled services.
-iChat enhanced with Video Conf.
-Bluetooth enhancements and 3G tie-ins
-Rendezvous based services making a bigger appearance.
-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc...
-A way of starting up at a set time
-Multiple customisable Docks
-ummmmmm....
# 17 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
All I'll say is that it had better be something pretty phenomenal to meet expectations, but I don't hold out any hope for it being a mega features jump...more of a major tuneup. I hope that I'm really wrong.
# 18 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I've read that some people are having trouble deleting apps. I hope 10.3 comes with an un-install feature.
# 19 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by sc_markt
I hope 10.3 comes with an un-install feature. Ick! No!
If someone has trouble removing an app, it is the fault of the developer for not properly wrapping up the app in a single package. That's the way Mac OS X apps are supposed to be made. App installs should be as simple as drag-and-drop to the Applications folder and drag-and-drop to the Trash. There is absolutely no reason that most apps should need either an installer or uninstaller.
The only things that would possibly need an uninstaller are device drivers or kernel extensions that install into /System. Those are so rare that they would not warrant needing to offer the possible unnecessary confusion that having an uninstaller would entail.
Brad at 2007-11-17 13:30:48 >
# 20 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Is NTFS a database-based file system?
# 21 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Brad
Ick! No!
If someone has trouble removing an app, it is the fault of the developer for not properly wrapping up the app in a single package. That's the way Mac OS X apps are supposed to be made. App installs should be as simple as drag-and-drop to the Applications folder and drag-and-drop to the Trash. There is absolutely no reason that most apps should need either an installer or uninstaller.
The only things that would possibly need an uninstaller are device drivers or kernel extensions that install into /System. Those are so rare that they would not warrant needing to offer the possible unnecessary confusion that having an uninstaller would entail.
I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.
# 22 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors (http://www.looprumors.com) is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
# 23 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
But what about browsers that store cache, bookmarks, preferences, passwords, and lots of other stuff in your Library folder? Those generally involve a single drag-and-drop copy from a .dmg to install, but they create application support files out of necessity. That's not the fault of the developers.
Luca at 2007-11-17 13:34:56 >
# 24 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Mac OS X Addict
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors (http://www.looprumors.com) is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*
*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
# 25 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by trevorM
It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*
*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
Me either really.
Good signature, man! I totally agree! oops off-topic!
# 26 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.That would only work if all of Apple's lineup used the 970. What about the rest of the G4 and G3 using folks. Too Microsoft to throw hardware at a software problem.
cowerd at 2007-11-17 13:38:00 >
# 27 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.
Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ... :)
# 28 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by fred_lj
I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.
Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ... :)
I have the same computer... I can't tell you enough how awesome it runs Jag... beautiful... :) Hell, even my iMac runs Jag pretty well... not like my PowerBook though...
# 29 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by dstranathan
Is NTFS a database-based file system?
No, but it has some nice metadata support. It's a lot like HFS in that it allows multiple streams (HFS has 2, data and resource). But unlike HFS it's not limited to 2 streams. So, in other words, it's similar in some ways to a DB filesystem, but it's not.
Oh, and MS is working on making a real DB filesystem based off of MS SQL Server that will be in Longhorn (Windows 2005). Apple had better show them up.
Ringo at 2007-11-17 13:41:04 >
# 30 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Well, that gives Apple until 2008 to beat them to the punch, and 2010 to beat them to getting it right... :D
# 31 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by sc_markt
I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.
I think it would be a good idea (might even have something like this but I haven't noticed) that opening a software receipt will open the Installer app and then uninstall support files as well as the app itself.
# 32 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
It does.*
IF the developer has set the Installer package up in the first place to do so. The pieces are there, go gripe at the developers for not using them.
* Not automatically - it activates an Uninstall menu item.
# 33 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I don't know about you guys- but I am most looking forward to Pixar coming out with a new black Panther cat hair texture.
# 34 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
sorry, double post
# 35 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by DaveGee
Well... Along with what others have already requested... one other thing that I'd love to see in 10.3 is a really good 'switch user' feature.
As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.
Baloney.
1. IPC between Cocoa and Classic applications works fine. For an example, try dragging and dropping text between Safari and SimpleText in Classic. Works fine. So does copy and paste, AppleScript, etc. Cocoa and Classic apps can talk to each other.
2. The Mac OS X Finder doesn't need to run in the Classic environment, so it doesn't make an ounce of difference whether it can or not.
3. Even if it did matter, the Mac OS X Finder is a Mach-O binary anyway, which is just as incompatible with Classic as Cocoa is.
The reason that the Finder hasn't been rewritten in Cocoa is that Apple doesn't want to rewrite the Finder. Plain and simple.
# 36 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
iLife will be sold, as it is now, seperatly. iWorks will be comprised of Keynote and all the other apps, and will be sold seperatly (Keynote already costs $99). Except for "Document" which will be bundled on all new Macs, or maybe in the OS.
iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database) Naw
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2) Naw
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
QT7 QT 6.5
DVD Player 4 Yeah, so?
-Databased, self optimizing File System. Hopefully
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic. Do they not already?
-Cocoa Finder Let's hope
-KHTML/Safari html renderer boosting help, sherlock and other web enabled services. Yeah
-iChat enhanced with Video Conf. Yeah
-Bluetooth enhancements and 3G tie-ins Maybe...
-Rendezvous based services making a bigger appearance. Y eah
-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc... Yeah, so?
-A way of starting up at a set time Maybe....
-Multiple customisable Docks Probably not
"That is all":smokey: :smokey: :smokey: :smokey:
# 37 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by salmonstk
I don't know about you guys- but I am most looking forward to Pixar coming out with a new black Panther cat hair texture.
As am I. About the Finder and Classic Compatability thing, I have heard that as well and I am not so shure it is pure bologna. I hope we don't have system wide brushed metal as I thing it would get old and annoying fast
I am looking forward to it all, yes, i want that Pixar Panther X :smokey: :smokey: :smokey:
# 38 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I think a cocoa finder is a little over hyped. Carbon is a fine API (pain to program in compared to cocoa though) and it gets the job done just as well as cocoa would (if not faster, since cocoa is a higher level API). I'm not sure what benefits we would see with a cocoa finder.
chych at 2007-11-17 13:50:06 >
# 39 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Maybe DVD player 4.0 with support 5.1
Apple's new 970 powermacs with have dolby digital out- that would take care of a big problem right now.
# 40 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by tacojohn
Apple's new 970 powermacs with have dolby digital out- that would take care of a big problem right now.
How CONFIRMED is this? :smokey: :smokey: :smokey: :smokey:
# 41 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
sorry, triple post
# 42 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by CharlesS
Baloney.
1. IPC between Cocoa and Classic applications works fine. For an example, try dragging and dropping text between Safari and SimpleText in Classic. Works fine. So does copy and paste, AppleScript, etc. Cocoa and Classic apps can talk to each other.
2. The Mac OS X Finder doesn't need to run in the Classic environment, so it doesn't make an ounce of difference whether it can or not.
3. Even if it did matter, the Mac OS X Finder is a Mach-O binary anyway, which is just as incompatible with Classic as Cocoa is.
The reason that the Finder hasn't been rewritten in Cocoa is that Apple doesn't want to rewrite the Finder. Plain and simple.
Hey charles sorry to flame but you're startlingly naive...
I've been informed quite explicitly by a close friend who is a software developer and who has worked at Apple, that the Finder classic/carbon issue is a real one.
# 43 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Nebagakid
-Databased, self optimizing File System. Hopefully
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic. Do they not already?
-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc... Yeah, so?
No they don't...and it annoys me i forgot to add cd/dvd burning, disk formatting to the list too.
The FS issue would help me out a lot as I admin a multi platform netowrk and the chance to drop a win or linux drivr into my g4 to copy files perform maintenance, heck even installs would be great.
And how much quicker would VPC run from an actual drive than from a disk image
# 44 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Sorry- the 5.1 isn't confermed- just an idea of mine because there isn't any 3rd party support for 5.1 sound.
# 45 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by robster
I've been informed quite explicitly by a close friend who is a software developer and who has worked at Apple, that the Finder classic/carbon issue is a real one.
Rob, any chance you can expand on that at all?
# 46 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by kim kap sol
iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database)
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2)
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
QT7
DVD Player 4
I really hope the don't name their productivity suite iWorks. That just sounds stupid.
I think it's too early for QT7. Probably just 6.x. Also, its too early for iTunes 4. Once again, I expect a 3.x release.
Obviously, the final version of Safari will be included.
Originally posted by tacojohn:
Sorry- the 5.1 isn't confermed- just an idea of mine because there isn't any 3rd party support for 5.1 sound.
I'd like to see that. It'd be great if they would also include a 5.1 sound card in the PM's to go with it as well.
Originally posted by Mac OS X Addict:
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.
No. That would be one ugly menu bar. Can you imagine the Display menu bar item on brushed metal? :ick: Plus, it wouldn't look all that great on a Studio display, because of the thick border, IMHO.
# 47 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by robster
Hey charles sorry to flame but you're startlingly naive...
I've been informed quite explicitly by a close friend who is a software developer and who has worked at Apple, that the Finder classic/carbon issue is a real one.
You know, it might be a better idea to at least give one good reason why this would be an issue before flaming... "startlingly naive" indeed. Do you understand anything about the Cocoa and Carbon API's? Have you ever even looked at them, or tried to understand how they work? Have you ever considered that your friend who is a software developer isn't God, and that he might have been mistaken on this issue?
At the root level, Cocoa and Carbon are both built on top of CoreFoundation. In addition, many of the "Finder-like" stuff is in other frameworks, like LaunchServices.framework. Cocoa is just a higher-level API than Carbon, that's all. Neither is more or less capable of communicating with Classic apps. Neither is capable of running under OS 9 if they're both compiled to Mach-O binaries.
I've given reasons why it's not a problem, but I haven't heard any good reasons why it would be yet. Who's naive? Give me one good reason - that's all I ask. If it's a good enough reason to convince me, then so be it. But so far, you've provided nothing, but instead decided to just throw insults.
# 48 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I agree, one of the things I hope Apple does it put some functions in the disk Utilility app, like defragging capability! I mean does OSX harddrive not need to be defragged once in a while? and cd session burning capabilty as well, what the hell is up with not having that! well I could be wrong they may have it now, but not on the G4 733 I was using at work a while ago..anyone know?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kim kap sol
[B]And I don't mean huge as in disk space huge...I mean huge update.
# 49 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by CharlesS
You know, it might be a better idea to at least give one good reason why this would be an issue before flaming... "startlingly naive" indeed. Do you understand anything about the Cocoa and Carbon API's? Have you ever even looked at them, or tried to understand how they work? Have you ever considered that your friend who is a software developer isn't God, and that he might have been mistaken on this issue?
At the root level, Cocoa and Carbon are both built on top of CoreFoundation. In addition, many of the "Finder-like" stuff is in other frameworks, like LaunchServices.framework. Cocoa is just a higher-level API than Carbon, that's all. Neither is more or less capable of communicating with Classic apps. Neither is capable of running under OS 9 if they're both compiled to Mach-O binaries.
I've given reasons why it's not a problem, but I haven't heard any good reasons why it would be yet. Who's naive? Give me one good reason - that's all I ask. If it's a good enough reason to convince me, then so be it. But so far, you've provided nothing, but instead decided to just throw insults.
I think i type my last message when I was in a bad mood, didn't mean to sound confrontational.
To be open, I've not got any great technical API knowledge, beyond some basic Cocoa tinkering. However my friend who tipped me off on this I respect a lot and I understand from mutual friends that he is very well respected among his (work) peers. All I am saying is that I've been told there is apparantely something preventing recoding the Finder into Cocoa and that something breaks Classic in it's current form.
# 50 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Fair enough: as far as I'm concerned, just as soon as we can dump Classic, the better. There's no OS 9 on any active drives round here (although a backup sticks around purely for nostalgic reasons). :D
Quiok followup to CubeDude , it looks like the next iteration of iTunes will have AAC support and be tied into this alleged music-serving service. Whether or not Apple reckons this is worthy of a whole-number level-bump, I wouldn't like to say, but on past evidence of the iTunes roadmap, I wouldn't say it was unlikely. Anyone remember the differences between the various levels? I know 2 was the first to support iPod, but other than that...
# 51 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by hypoluxa
I agree, one of the things I hope Apple does it put some functions in the disk Utilility app, like defragging capability! I mean does OSX harddrive not need to be defragged once in a while? and cd session burning capabilty as well, what the hell is up with not having that! well I could be wrong they may have it now, but not on the G4 733 I was using at work a while ago..anyone know?
That would be great. Toast sucks, and not having to launch it to burn multiple sessions would be great.
Originally posted by Overhope:
Quiok followup to CubeDude , it looks like the next iteration of iTunes will have AAC support and be tied into this alleged music-serving service. Whether or not Apple reckons this is worthy of a whole-number level-bump, I wouldn't like to say, but on past evidence of the iTunes roadmap, I wouldn't say it was unlikely. Anyone remember the differences between the various levels? I know 2 was the first to support iPod, but other than that...
Maybe, but only if the alleged music service was announced officialy. AAC support doesn't warant a 4.0 update to me. If you remember that when the iPod was announced iTunes 2 came with it. iTunes 3 would probably be 2.x if Apple hadn't dropped iTunes OS9 support with it. I think the next major revamp of iTunes will be 4.x only if the Apple music service is announced along with it, like the iPod(new MP3 product, new iTunes).
# 52 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
What sucks about Toast?
I really like how easy and straightforward the app is...
But, the functionality really should be built into OS X.
# 53 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
what the hell is 970
Nano at 2007-11-17 14:05:29 >
# 54 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge! - AppleInsider
# 55 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by drewprops
What sucks about Toast?
I really like how easy and straightforward the app is...
But, the functionality really should be built into OS X.
Toast is straightforward, but has sometimes crashed on me while burning a CD, resulting in a worthless CD.
# 56 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by hypoluxa
I agree, one of the things I hope Apple does it put some functions in the disk Utilility app, like defragging capability! I mean does OSX harddrive not need to be defragged once in a while? and cd session burning capabilty as well, what the hell is up with not having that! well I could be wrong they may have it now, but not on the G4 733 I was using at work a while ago..anyone know?
The Mac OS X file system does not get as fragmented as the file systems that are used on Windows machines due to a better design, so there is less need for defragging.
# 57 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
I had a conversation with one of Apple UK's senior marketing guys at a seminar last year, and his thought on the subject of Toast was something along the lines of "why would we bother spending a lot of money trying to put another company out of business?" (got quite a laugh, especially since his Powerpoint presentation had crashed a few minutes earlier), and I think Apple would argue that the basic functionalities required of CD burning (data storage and music-CD creation) are already covered in the OS. Although multi-session would be nice...
# 58 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by robster
And how much quicker would VPC run from an actual drive than from a disk image
Hmm. Actually, in VPC's bundle, there is a fsck_msdos. That /might/ mean that VPC will run faster with FAT32 partitions. No idea.
# 59 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by Overhope
I had a conversation with one of Apple UK's senior marketing guys at a seminar last year, and his thought on the subject of Toast was something along the lines of "why would we bother spending a lot of money trying to put another company out of business?" (got quite a laugh, especially since his Powerpoint presentation had crashed a few minutes earlier), and I think Apple would argue that the basic functionalities required of CD burning (data storage and music-CD creation) are already covered in the OS. Although multi-session would be nice...
I beleive you can burn multi-session CD-s already in 10.2 but you have to use Disk Copy to do it. There's a KB article around somewhere
Burning Multi-Session CD's in 10.2 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107240&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com% 2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePa ge&searchMode=Assisted&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomValue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous%7C167071036)
# 60 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by CubeDude
Maybe, but only if the alleged music service was announced officialy. AAC support doesn't warant a 4.0 update to me. If you remember that when the iPod was announced iTunes 2 came with it. iTunes 3 would probably be 2.x if Apple hadn't dropped iTunes OS9 support with it. I think the next major revamp of iTunes will be 4.x only if the Apple music service is announced along with it, like the iPod(new MP3 product, new iTunes).
I thought it might also get rendezvous support at last...as demoed about 1000 years ago it seems...
# 61 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Hey cool thanx for that tidbit of info! Now If I ever get around to getting a new mac, that'll be good to know!
Originally posted by robster
I beleive you can burn multi-session CD-s already in 10.2 but you have to use Disk Copy to do it. There's a KB article around somewhere
Burning Multi-Session CD's in 10.2 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107240&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com% 2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePa ge&searchMode=Assisted&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomValue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous%7C167071036)
# 62 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
So the Mac HFS file system that is on X is better than the previous versions on older macs? Or is it the Unix file system that you can choose as well under OSX that is superior and doesnt need defragging? Im confused. What would happen if I format my mac HD to the Unix structure wil all native x apps still work on it?
Originally posted by rogue27
The Mac OS X file system does not get as fragmented as the file systems that are used on Windows machines due to a better design, so there is less need for defragging.
# 63 Re: Just Me or Do You Think OS X 10.3 Will Be Huuuuge!
Originally posted by hypoluxa
So the Mac HFS file system that is on X is better than the previous versions on older macs?HFS+ (the standard, default, and recommended filesystem for Mac OS X) is just as susceptible to fragmentation as it was on Mac OS 9. Files become fragmented and free space becomes fragmented just the same under Mac OS X as under Classic Mac OS.
This is a common misconception.
Brad at 2007-11-17 14:15:36 >
