List the most annoying yet-to-be-fixed OS X bugs

is it just me or does anyone else find that when they double click on the hard drive, it opens but is not in 'focus'? by focus i mean at the front and active.

i find annoying that when i double click the hard drive icon on the desktop i need to click the opened window before i can use the cursor keys to navigate (in column view)

<edit>i forgot the other bug(?) with column view: way back at version 10.1 (IIRC) in column view, if you hit for example the 'd' key, the column would jump to files/folders starting with that letter at the *top* of the column. now in 10.2 when the letter key is pressed, it jumps to the first file/folder starting with that letter at the *bottom* of the column.
inevitably the file wanted is not the first one and i find myself having to scroll down to locate the one i want.</edit>

the other thing i find irksome with osx is the amount of cpu and memory terminal consumes. this is a window to darwin and IHMO *should* be the snappiest app on the machine.

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The failure of the mute button to mute the iSub.

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How about the annoyingness of having spring-loaded folders, but, for some reason, not having them in the dock? (try it: drag any folder on the dock, and then try to spring-open that folder by hover over it with a file). I mean, for many people, the dock has almost replaced, at least, the finder-desktop, I kind of thought Apple would have thought of this *detail*. Is this a bug? I think so, it is, in any case, inconsistent behaviour of my OS. So, why don't you add that to your list?

[quote]Originally posted by Mount_my_floppy:
<strong>How about they just fix 10.2.4 in general...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree. My modem is dying on me after the 10.2.4 update... :mad:

1. When I create a new folder by pressing the shortcut while in Column View, an untitled folder appears, but its name is not editable (I mean its name doesn't automatically become a text box with all text selected). In icon/list views it works as expected.
2. CD insertion/ejection should not interrupt all other processes. For example, when I am listening to music with iTunes or watching a film from the hard drive, everything immediately stops when I, say, eject a CD. And they call it multitasking!
3. (Not a bug, actually). The screen capture format should be customizable in System Preferences and it should be TIFF by default.

[quote]Originally posted by rogue27:
<strong>Command+N should not create a new folder, because on every other app, Command+N creates a new window, and inconsistency is a bad thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Feh. Silly UI Guidelines again.

I say, using command-shift-N is inconsistent because in every other Mac OS, it's been command-N. There's no reason to change it in OS X. Besides, it's not like Apple is very consistent anyway (see various threads about brushed metal apps, single-window apps, etc).

Well I suppose I'm just old-fashioned then. My standard view options are icon view, 48x48 pixel icons, 11 point type, auto-arrange by name. I don't really like column view, though if I did use column view, I am sure I would make new windows much more often. The way I have it set up, whenever I want a finder window, I either click the Home icon in my dock, or I double click my hard disk icon on the desktop.

[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong>Well I suppose I'm just old-fashioned then. My standard view options are icon view, 48x48 pixel icons, 11 point type, auto-arrange by name. I don't really like column view, though if I did use column view, I am sure I would make new windows much more often. The way I have it set up, whenever I want a finder window, I either click the Home icon in my dock, or I double click my hard disk icon on the desktop.</strong><hr></blockquote>

cool, m8. that could have been me writing that post... :)

I'm sure it's just so ingrained in our system though, if I'd never known command-N is used to create a new folder, I'm sure I'd have an easier time using it to create a new window.

There's really no difference in functionality, it just feels so wrong. :) )

My #1 gripe...the network icon.

I had to teach a PC user how to use OSX today (I've done several the last few months). Just loke all the people who preceded her, she was perplexed by the fact that the Network was no in the Network Icon. WTF Apple? Lets get with it. If the user is not on a NetInfo Network, either make this eyesore go away or make it do something...like, uhhhhhhhh, connect to a network!

thank you :)
atleast im not the only person who likes
the explorer metaphor for navigation

make windows resizable from any corner/side
right now it reminds me of windows 2.0
really really annoying when you need to resize
a window

[quote]Originally posted by biaachmonkie:
<strong>Second all those plus...

When performince file operations in column view, move/delete, the antimated/scrolling, of the files takes way too long, just drop it. Perform the action, then redraw the window column, no animations. It can take 100 times as long as needed dependin on how many files are in the column.

Also a "Windows Explorer"/"File Manager" view would be nice, its much easier to use when managing lots of files in nested folders. Column view nice nice and quick for digging down to the file, but when your having to go back and forth sorting and organizing lots (thousands) of files, the "Explorer" way is much faster, just about every other OS has something very much the same, its just easier to use.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by Frank777:
<strong>Well my Trash can't be emptied on 10.2.4, since everytime I choose Empty Trash the system tells me to restart my G4 - in several different languages no less.</strong><hr></blockquote>

that would be a kernel panic

file a feedback report to apple

[quote]Originally posted by Macasaurus:
<strong>I wish iChat would let me see my friend's profiles and let me write my own profile.</strong><hr></blockquote>

while you cant make your own, you can still see other people's profiles
"get info" on someone in your buddylist and from the pulldown menu go to their "account"

their profile should be in there

[quote]Originally posted by piwozniak:
<strong>Lower sound level all the way down.
Put it to sleep
Wake it up.
NO SOUND, you can move volume up or down, won't change a thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You can fix that by inserting headphones, speakers, or any other 3.5mm audio plug into the headphone jack, and then removing them. Works every time for me.

[quote]
Originally posted by Paul:

while you cant make your own, you can still see other people's profiles
"get info" on someone in your buddylist and from the pulldown menu go to their "account"

their profile should be in there <hr></blockquote>

OOO COOLL!! THANKS A BUNCH :)

[quote]Originally posted by piwozniak:
<strong>

And also, why oh why, this stupid 'put sound system to sleep while on batteries' continues? To save 3 minutes out of 3 hours?
This really sucks when you have to wait 3 sec for sound to play... (at least you can watch beach-ball spin,....wait that's not really a good thing is it? )
I don't want to use 3rd party haxies 4 that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like <a href="http://versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13709" target="_blank">this one</a>?

I'd be happy if the printer drivers could support all of the features that the printers are supposed to. This may not be all on OS X, but it's part of the problem. You know, like: "this printer slices! it dices! it prints using everlasting gobstopper technology! but only if you're using 9.2.2!"

[quote]Originally posted by chromos:
[QB]That's odd... when I type Command-N in column view, I get a new folder, with the name editable.<hr></blockquote>

Well, it got fixed after a restart. This leads me to a thought that you should restart at least once a month. :)

I guess this is a thread for venting about UI mistakes as well as bugs.

I haven't found too many bugs in my normal use of OS X besides the network hanging bug, which seems laughably easy to fix (can't they just set a timeout)?

As for UI, I would like to see the Dock go bye-bye. I've gotten so that I can just barely use it (dual monitor setup with it on the far left, medium sized, with hiding/magnification off) but it doesn't help to launch or navigate applications, only to quickly see which ones I have currently running.

I want Mac OS 9-style open and save dialogs more than anything. Going through column view to find the right directory I want to save in is clunky as hell.

Originally posted by MrBillData
There would be greater acceptance if Desktop shortcuts could be remapped to what the user wants.

Which is code for "I want Mac OS 9 back," since OS 9 certainly did not allow Desktop shortcuts to be remapped.

It's not that hard to get used to the new Finder paradigm, and I'm glad that Apple had the guts to prefer consistency to legacy here.

Main complaints:
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2. Apple promotes DVD but ignores its functionality and even denies its use, like with externals.
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4. Along with Safari and iMac, Apple needs to expand and provide all net services including ISP for the Mac community.
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5. No ResEdit, for those that love to customize thier Programs.


2. I agree. This also defeats their argument that their machines are expandable via USB and FireWire. They can take the 5 minutes to add the code that allows iDVD to burn to an external drive anytime. I won't object.

4. Why? Not even the dedicated ISPs are making a dime right now, and Apple doesn't want to get into the war between the companies that own the wires and the ones who own the bandwidth.

5. ResEdit is obsolete. The modern analogs are Interface Builder, Project Builder (for extending apps via Categories) and Plist Editor, which ship with every Mac, and which are considerably more powerful and less hairy than ResEdit was.

I want the Open/Save dialogs to be made absolutely consistent, friendlier (they currently tend to choose bizarre columns to start on), and keyboard-navigable. Or, I'd like to seem them replaced with a Shelf + a proxy + the Finder.

Various underpinnings need to be finished and tightened up. The various permissions-related errors need a lot of refining, and file permissions need to be less prone to corruption in the first place. Permission repairs, obtuse permissions-related dialogs, and the very word "permission" together constitute my single biggest problem with OS X.

OS X needs to be able to wake from sleep in response to scheduled tasks (iCal, cron, etc.), and in response to plugging and unplugging of hot-pluggable cables - and then it needs to be able to go right back to sleep. But it shouldn't always wake up for scheduled tasks (e.g. Mail - I'd like it to be able to wake up and check mail once a day while I'm on vacation, but not once every five minutes while I'm trying to sleep), so it would have to be an optional behavior, settable via checkbox where appropriate.

The ctrl-D shortcut to the Dock needs to be reassignable for those of us who spend time in Terminal, damnit.

The Developer Tools need another release. The current release is wonky (for example, if you type a " to open a string, all following code in the editor vanishes - but not consistently. Typing another " brings it all back).

1. Fix all column view toolbox bugs..

2. Fix all quirks in navigation services (is it called that anymore?). Ie Open/Save dialogues.

Not starting in the right initial directory.
Sometimes not being able to choose a "shortcut" from the menu
Get RID of the "go to" field. Or at least don't make it the default.
Don't make the trash the inital directory if I've trashed the last opened/saved file

I could go on for days...

Originally posted by MrBillData
Well which is it?

Is the inability to reassign shortcut keys annoying...

or just the people that want to remap them:?:

The difference here is that remapping Command-N in Finder breaks UI consistency in the name of legacy. It doesn't fix any conflicts or add any new behaviors.

Mapping ctrl-d to mean "select the Dock" overrides its rather important function in Terminal (where it means "end of file") in order to introduce a function (selecting the Dock from the keyboard) that has no legacy or UI consistency considerations. They could have picked just about anything to select the Dock from the keyboard (although I can see why using 'd' was appealing from a mnemonic point of view...).

Originally posted by Amorph
The difference here is that remapping Command-N in Finder breaks UI consistency in the name of legacy. It doesn't fix any conflicts or add any new behaviors.

Mapping ctrl-d to mean "select the Dock" overrides its rather important function in Terminal (where it means "end of file") in order to introduce a function (selecting the Dock from the keyboard) that has no legacy or UI consistency considerations. They could have picked just about anything to select the Dock from the keyboard (although I can see why using 'd' was appealing from a mnemonic point of view...).

Well you're thinking of someone elses comments, I never mentioned CMD-N.

Consistency be damned, it's my computer.

A person can customize the Dock to their iconical access preferences, why not allow customization of their key access preferences. We should even be able to remove all of the predefined Dock icons or all of the CMD keys if thats what we want. I have always believed that hard coding anything is a limitation, not a feature.

If I wanted a computer that only works "thier way", I'd have a M$ PC.

Originally posted by Amorph
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MrBillData: You should download X11 and use it exclusively. It's right up your alley.

I do use X11 with Fink.

Most of my Software is written for X11 / Motif environments and runs equally well on Sun, HP, -cough-Vax and now Mac OS.:)

As for the Dock, the Sun Openlook Window Manager menu is far more useful with features like WINMENU and DIRMENU than a Dock could ever be. I guess Apple has alot of Asian programmers because the Dock makes the Desktop look like the Menu of a chinese restaurant.:lol: Or would it be less offensive to say it looks like a Fisher Price desktop.