970 at WWDC accoding to macbidouille

[quote]Originally posted by Chucker:
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Neither says "970 at WWDC". They say that the 970 will be presented by IBM (that will already happen at CeBit later this month), and that Apple will disclose the PowerMac 970 to a limited amount of engineers. No release date is mentioned.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well, I was smart when I wrote my post : I never said either that Apple would release the PMac 970 :-) I just pointed at the bidouille rumor

Not impossible by any means. Something is definitely up with IBM and the 970, since they now have the PS3 ready for trial runs for production. :eek:

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[quote]Originally posted by Michael Grey:
<strong>Uh, isn't Macbidouille the same source that says Apple is working on the "iFrame?"</strong><hr></blockquote>

no, MacWhispers had an insider info from a plastic manufacturer who made enclosures for Apple that *could* be used for an iFrame. All very hypothetical.

[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>Not impossible by any means. Something is definitely up with IBM and the 970, since they now have the PS3 ready for trial runs for production. :eek:

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PS 3 THIS YEAR!?!?

[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>Not impossible by any means. Something is definitely up with IBM and the 970, since they now have the PS3 ready for trial runs for production. :eek:

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This item is completely bogus -- they must be confused with some other piece of hardware. PS3 is not coming this year. Perhaps its a second version of the PS2 (i.e. different box and such).

HAHAHA, you got bitten by the click whore.

[quote] (especailly the Xbo- I love seeing M$ losing their ass on it)
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I hope Sony kick their fackin' arse all over the shop my san.

Lemon Bon Bon ;)

PS. Kid Red, did you check the macminute link? What's this about Sony wanting Apple to make Mac and Playstation 'play' together?

Excited? I'm certainly intrigued...several meetings apparently...over last year. Hmmmm.

[quote]PS. Kid Red, did you check the macminute link? What's this about Sony wanting Apple to make Mac and Playstation 'play' together?

Excited? I'm certainly intrigued...several meetings apparently...over last year. Hmmmm.<hr></blockquote>

Yeah but then there's the line at the very end that says, "But we are rivals so working together would be pointless" or something to that effect. :p

Sony and Apple could very good and powerfull partners if they set aside their egos. Sony has a lot to offer Apple, and Apple's OS and hardware has a lot to offer Sony in their individual markets. The problem is Sony's PC division (product overlap), and Apples reluctance to license OS X, and hardware designs to other companies. Now, if some deal between Apple, IBM and Sony were reached to build a top down marketing strategy for PowerPC based computers from high end servers and workstations (IBM) to Pro Desktops (Apple and IBM) down to consumer level computers (Apple and Sony), and Sony started marketing and implementing FireWire (iLink) in conjunction with Apple then Mac OS X at least would have a huge potential for getting market share. But Sony and Apple are the two most design centric computer makers out there, and Apple is beginning to target the copterate market now (Xserve). So how would the three companies break up the marketing of computers between them in the short-term so that Apple dosnt loose too much revenue by loosing sales to Sony on the low to medium range?

[quote]Originally posted by Brian Green:
<strong>Ever thought about what it would be like for all new Play Station games (Play Station 3) to be 100% OS X Cocoa rendered?</strong><hr></blockquote>

What does that even mean? Cocoa isn't a rendering engine. Do you mean that PS3 would use the Aqua look-and-feel? Not really very appropriate for most games which are usually doing more sophisticated UI tricks these days, not to mention they have to struggle with a joystick instead of a keyboard/mouse combination. Or do you mean that it would use Quartz & Quartz Extreme? Again, not very appropriate -- the PS2 hardware does not get along well with OpenGL-style interfaces, and PS3 shows all signs of being even more different.

MacWhispers offers up a few more rumor crumbs to nibble on regarding among other things PM970 motherbrd (semi)details.

2. The two motherboards we reported as being in the bidding stage, prior to production, are for single processor and a dual-processor variants, are said to be "larger, longer, and narrower" than present designs. No word on other details, yet.

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[quote]Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe:
<strong>But what do I know?</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's what a lot of us would like to know... :p

[quote]Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe:
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Still think a release is in early summer.

But what do I know?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, AFAIC, you are the most credible 970 production status rumor propagator here. Please keep it up.

[quote]Originally posted by os10geek:
<strong>The Apple-powered PS3 is almost totally baseless...it's like saying that...I don't know! But it makes no coherent sense. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really. If the PS3 (faster then 50 1.4ghz pMacs) can run OSX, then we'd have a $300 or so computer faster then a lot of offerings.

[quote]Originally posted by little_dude:
<strong>Remember that the XBox (with a GeForce3 in it) is at comparable performance of the PS2. I expect the XBox2 to equal the PS3 within half a year, using a GeForce FXX or Radion 9900 or whatever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually the xbox hardware wise is allot more powerful than the ps2. And the ps2 is harder to develop for especially if you want to take advantage of all the hidden tricks. But we all know its not all about power its about quality of games.

[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
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Hmm, this could indicate the nature of Apple dual processor implimentation. If the boards need to be designed for either dual or single then it could mean that there is separate memory spaces for each processor and the dual version could include 6 (3+3) or even 8 (4+4) DIMM slots. While the single version would only need a set of memory slots for one processor+companion chip. Also IBM might be pacaging the chip on it's own interposer and Apple will just use a ZIF or LIF for it. So the companion chip proabably sits on the motherboard and you need one for each processor. For Apple, the cost would be prohibitive to design a motherboard with more than two CPUs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It could also mean Single or Dual daughter cards, which would allow for 1-4 processor configurations. This design would allow for a much wider range of products for Apple to offer covering a very broad market range. I'm a little skeptical about Apple offering ZIF or LIF sockets for their processors, it makes it too easy for upgrade manufacturers to put out processor upgrades. I doubt that Apple will have the clout with IBM to keep the processors off the market like they did with the G4 for so long. Daughter cards offer Apple flexability, and help to keep the cost of processor upgrades high, which makes new computers more attractive.

[quote]Originally posted by opuscroakus:
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That's what a lot of us would like to know... :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

From T.O.'s post, "<strong>But what do I know?</strong>". I would venture to say . . . enough to get someone a jail sentence. There are others as well, who have credible sources.

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Well, in theory, if Apple showed a PPC 970 prototype at WWDC, that doesn't necessarily mean the machines are being released, or even officially announce then.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is that a hypothetical theory or a working theory?

[quote]Originally posted by os10geek:
<strong>The Apple-powered PS3 is almost totally baseless...it's like saying that...I don't know! But it makes no coherent sense. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that the most likely area for Apple and Sony to be talking about in refernece to the PS3 is Rendevue, and not OS X. This would be great technology for Sony to implement in the PS3. Other areas might be trying to get Apples experience with the PPC to help Sony develop software for the platform. There was probably some contention on how to bring this about, say Sony wanted to license OS X so that they could offer networking the PS3 with their own computers via Rendevue. We know that Jobs dosnt like licensing, so that would cause a rift. Apple might have wanted Sony to give up the name iLink, and go with FireWire which would help Apple out with the credability of this technology. Possibly Sony wanted Xserves to manage online gaming as well. I think that there are many possabilities besides OS X on PS3 that these companies would be talking about. There will also probably be some posturing by each company to try to gain leverage in whatever agreements that they are talking about, and it is quite possable that not everyone at Sony has the same "agenda" in these talks. I'm sure that the PC devision at Sony would not like PS3's being more compatable with Macs than with thier own products, thus the statement that they are competators. It definatly does not refer to consoles or AV equipment, becouse as of now Apple is not in those markets (with the exception of the iPod).

The PS3 is interesting to me because 1) it's PowerPC, 2) it's significantly parallelized. IBM is heading this way. Apple is almost certainly heading this way. The decisions made, and the means used, in order to make this thing go head to head against the more monolithic XBox 2 will be of considerable interest, even if there isn't a line of Apple code anywhere near the PS3 itself. SMP is the direction of the PowerPC as a platform.

@homenow seized upon an important fact, which Apple has been using to great advantage recently: The host system or application can be whatever it is. What matters are document formats and hardware interfaces. If those are standard and interoperable, then there's room for a great deal more diversity as far as systems and applications go. Proprietary formats lock people into particular applications: That's one of the ways MS got where they are. (Raise your hand if you actually like using MS Word.) If the PS3 has 6-pin FireWire, Rendezvous support, Bluetooth support (wireless joysticks! whee!) and other standard connections, then it can interoperate with a Mac, no licensing necessary. This really is the best way to go, because then Apple can make the best OS for their hardware, Sony can make the best OS for their hardware, consumers can choose the apps and games best suited for their needs, and everything still works with everything else. Standard means of communication allow and encourage diversity and real innovation.

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Anyone at CeBIT ?
Today is the day of the IBM 970 blade demo as I recall.

[quote]Originally posted by RazorMouse:
<strong>Listen guys, that will not happen. If the PPC 970 is demoed at WWDC, it will either be VERY secret - and we will never know anything about it - or it will be VERY official. If you think about it for a minute, the G4 was introduced just *before* WWDC 1999. This came as a surprise to everyone and set off a buzz among developers... if the PPC 970 is shown behind closed doors at WWDC, it will most likely confirm that we will NOT see the chip this year...
Jobs will want to make a splash about it, and the fact that he is withdrawing from MWNY indicates to me that either the G5 will not be ready for July, or it will already have been introduced by then.
Also, think about it... if IBM is aiming for a 1400-1800 Mhz first release, can Apple really afford another PMac G4 speed bump before that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You should stop obsessing about the MacWorld conferences -- Apple is moving away from all of them, not just this next MWNY. Jobs will want to make a splash, but an "Apple Event" and a media blitz will do at least a good and means they don't have to share the spotlight with anybody else.

As for when they are going to introduce the first 970-based machines, I don't think it has anything to do with WWDC either. They could show it publicly or privately at WWDC and they will probably introduce the 64-bit APIs for developers there. All that was done for AltiVec before the G4's arrival which actually happened in September, IIRC. The new machines will be introduced when they are ready, independent of anything else. The do not need to piggyback it on some other kind of event, and will do so only if it is coincident and improves their marketing blitz.