Your revised MWSF predictions

final cut pro is for next week's DV expo

Flat-screen iMac
up to 1 Ghz G3
128-256 RAM
60-80 MB HD
15" TFT
slightly better video card
combo drive top end and maybe SuperDrive

PowerMac G5
933, 1.2, 1.4 dual 933
faster BUS (top two models only)
low volume of top end CPUs will cause a shipping delay

17", 19" 22" LCDs

Photoshop for X demo (typical shootout)

I don't believe the G5 rumors. I believe MSWF will be the 'Gigahetz Expo'. We'll see Ghz+ G4s and maybe even G3s.

LCDs are still pricey. If there is an LCD iMac it will be a smaller screen, around 14", which BTW, it perfectly acceptable as long as the resolution is like on the Pismo. I have a Pismo and its 14" LCD is more than adequate for a consumer desktop system.

I think the LCD iMac may appear later in the year or Apple will offer it only as a higher end iMac, with the CRT model iMac sticking around on the low end for education sales and 'beginner' sales.

Absolutely NO SuperDrive in the iMac. Get over that fantasy. It will be another 6 months minimum for the iMac to get a SuperDrive.

SuperDrive probably will appear on a $1999 model PowerMac. It will basically be a low-end PowerMac plus the cost of the SuperDrive.

Other than that, I won't speculate on specs.

I was gunna reply to this a little while ago but I was on a G4 at the Apple Store at Tice's Corner and a salesman was about to sell someone a G4 and I didn't wanna have the costomer see G5... anyway...

I still don't think we'll see the G5 at MWSF. Probably G4s past 1GHz and there better be new iMacs.

i think the imacs would only sport a superdrive if the rumors of a g4 powered imac are true... even then though its a bit of a stretch and would only be seen in the high end imac... it would help mac apple's "digital hub" a little more equal along the product matrix though

Blizaine said:

[quote]I just can't see apple releasing the superdrive on a non-G4 mac...

They would have to re-write iDVD to NOT take advantage of Altivec, which it is heavily relying on now... and it could potentially take many hours to encode something.<hr></blockquote>

You're wrong. iDVD will not have to be rewritten. All SIMD-aware programs run fine on non-SIMD processors like the G3. You don't have to have a non-SIMD and a SIMD version of the same program --the SIMD version will do for both G3 and G4 processors.

And yes, the iDVD benefits greatly, as most other high-end programs do (like PS, Illustrator, InDesign...) from SIMD. That's why Motorola designed it in the first place. Its a very powerful and elegant solution.

Ok, here it goes. I am going with my gut feeling here:

MYSF:
PowerMac G5:
Price: 1599 2199 2999
Processor G5: 1.0Ghz 1.4Ghz (2)1.2 Ghz
DDR RAM: 256MB 512MB 512MB
HD Storage: 60GB 80GB 2x60GB
Video Radeon: 32MB Dual64 Dual64
Optical: SuperDrive
Others: USB2.0(?), Firewire2, AirPort Standard(?), 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet, etc etc.

iMac2 LCD:
Price: 899 1099 1299
Processor G4: 867Mhz 867Mhz 867Mhz
PC133 RAM: 256MB 256MB 256MB
HD Storage: 40GB 60GB 80GB
Video Radeon: 32MB 32MB 32MB
Optical: CDRW Combo Super
Others: USB, Firewire, AirPort, 10/100BaseT Ethernet, 15" LCD Monitor, software including new iApp, Second Monitor Support(?).

New iDevice (I am thinking the iCamcorder. What else could possibly supplement the new iMac than that?)

New Displays:
17" LCD $499
19" LCD $799
22" LCD $1699

Seybold:
OS 10.2 comes out. Standard on all Macs from then on out. Boots into 10 nativily (sp?).

PowerBook G4:
Price: 1999 2699
Processor G4: 667Mhz 800Mhz
PC133 RAM: 256MB 512MB
HD Storage: 30GB 40GB
Video Radeon: 32MB 32MB
Optical: Combo Combo
Others: USB2.0(?), Firewire2, AirPort Standard, 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet, PC Slot, New Battery Type(?), Second Monitor Support

iBook:
Price: 1099 1299 1499
Processor G3: 750Mhz Across the Board
PC100 RAM: 256MB 256MB 256MB
HD Storage: 20GB 30GB 40GB
Video RageMob: 16MB 16MB 16MB
Optical: DVDRom CD-RW Combo
Others: USB, Firewire, Airport Standard, 10/100BaseT Ethernet, 56K Modem, New Battery Type(?), software including new iApp, Second Monitor Support (?)

iPod:
Price Reduction: 299

I know that these seem a little over the top considering Apple's stance as of recent. However I really think that these sort of things will happen, give the mood of Apple as of recent. The forray into retail, the iPod, the discounts as of recent. It all points to some serious changes.

Even if I am wrong, it still looks like a plausable lineup given today's prices.

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>no wonder people get so dissapointed after the expos now. look at these predicitions. there is no chance in hell Apple could ever live up to half of them</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really. They are wishful but I don't think overly, at not Mike's.

I think the iMac could get the G4 since Moto has a buch and it won't scale well enough for the towers. (Apollo rumored to be a portable chip)

If the G5 does come out, I think Mike's assesment is close.

not sure about the monitor prices, but I read they might debut new monitors therfore reducing the prices somewhat on existing ones.

So, Mike's seems most reasonable and I hope true. I can't wait to swipe a G5 + cinema display!!

Mike, I don't think Apple will be updating that many (all?) their products. I'm expecting new Power Macs and iMacs.

[quote]Originally posted by tl:
<strong>In Mike's post he specified that the 'Books will be updated at Seybold.

Read it carefully</strong><hr></blockquote>

Isn't Seybold a pro event? Why they release a new iBook there?

I hope they release some of that crack that Mike's been smoking because it seems to be really good stuff... :rolleyes: You've got to be kidding me. Just a G5 at MWSF would be huge. Just an LCD iMac would be huge. Even if they had both of them ready, they wouldn't release them. I agree with applenut on this one. Your expectations are way too high. Look for one big announcement, like the iMac and that's it.

[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Not unreasonable at all to expect my predictions. Is it unreasonable for Apple to have competitive hardware?</strong><hr></blockquote>

But when was the last time Apple actually had competitive hardware esecially in the iMac line?

[quote]Who would buy the iMacs if they still had the same case.<hr></blockquote>

No one.

[quote]It really is a time for a change and I'm sure Apple knows that.<hr></blockquote>

Well, if they don't know it now, they certainly will within 2 months of releasing my predicted machines.

[quote]Originally posted by onlooker:
<strong>One more thing. my account has been deleted more times than I care to count, and that alone has me angered. :mad:
</strong><hr></blockquote>

This time everyone's accounts were lost. Everything was lost.

Okay I have been reading these boards for some time now and I finally desided to say something, so here's what I think will appear at MWSF

G5 Tower -
1.0 Ghz SP, 1.2 Ghz SP, and 1.0 Ghz MP
New case, two optical bays, usb and firewire ports moved to better locations

iMac -
Totally new design, nothing anyone is expecting. For some reason I believe that they will be moving to G4 so Steve can put Superdrives into them.

Also I think there will be a new iDevice, and somehow they are going to have a software update for the iPod that adds certain features, ie on/off option, and screen sleep while the music is still playing.

On a side note I just had the strangest experiece with my TiBook 677. I got it like two days ago and hadn't yet used the DVD drive, but I put a CD-RW in and for some reason it the computer allowed me to burn more data onto it. I know I ordered the DVD model because I played a movie right after to check, I think that I some how ended up with a combo drive. If this has happened to anyone else please let me know.

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>

probably the Kihei iMacs which were really great systems for the price. That and the first iMacs, especially revision B.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, that probably was the last time.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

This time everyone's accounts were lost. Everything was lost.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At least they are back. :D (off topic Question) How long have they been up? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

I will stick with my old prediction but now with some little changes...

PowerMac

Processor: 7460

Speed: 933Mhz, 1Ghz, 1.33Ghz, Dual 933

RAM type / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM installed: 256/256/ 256/ 512

Optical Drive: Combo / Combo / SuperDrive / SuperDrive

Video : 4X AGP with the same old **** GeForce 2MX across the board but with 64MB VRAM

Case: Same as QS

Price: 1799, 2399, 2999, 3599 <-- Yeap, the price of the base and mid models go UP! Remember this is the Apple Computer we are talking about. They think by putting extra 128MB / 256MB RAM to the base model really does justify the 100 bucks price hike ;)

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iMac

Processor: New IBM Sahara processor

Speed: 600Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz

RAM type / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz

RAM installed: 128/128/256/ 256

Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo <-- No superdrive, sorry ;)

Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM

Case: Old case and same CRT for the low end. New case with 14" LCD for the others

Price: 799 / 999 / 1299 / 1499

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TiBook
No change until MacWorld Tokyo

iBook
No change until after Spring Break

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On the software side.....

OSX 10.1.2
OS 9.2.2
Adobe demostrates and announces Photoshop 6.5 / 7 or whatever...

Leonis' and onlooker's predictions seem to be the best in my opinion. Everyone always gets let down by Apple, why keep having expectations so high?

Leonis' predictions seem the most realistic, except maybe for the pricing change....otherwise, they are pretty good......i'm hoping that they will then release a new imac....that'd be awesome

a lot of people are going to be let down most likely, but the question (that's no one's answered).....

WHEN'S MWSF?

[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>I hope they release some of that crack that Mike's been smoking because it seems to be really good stuff.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A) No crack. Just my gut. And it doesn't distribute crack either. ;)

B) This is a prediction. Any machine is better than mine. I am on a IIci, upgraded to a 80MHz 68040. So I am more mainly focused on price.

As for my predictions. The only one I am going to change is my iBook one. I think that will be a special event in May. Other than that, I can't think of any changes.

torifile, as for my predictions being over the top. Not really. Look at all of the specials going on right now. G4 discounts on buying the monitor. Or how about the iMac rebates if you buy a digital camera.

Normally, I would agree with your synopsis of Apple releasing only one big item. However they know that they let down everyone at MWNY this past time, so I think that they might bring two major items up because of that disappointment. Besides, that would get the whole industry buzzing, saying something like "Look at what Apple just did. They released TWO new computers!!"

In order to increase marketshare, Apple needs to pull that off. Then Apple needs to (are you listening Apple??) MARKET its products.

Just my humble opinion.

[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: Mike Eggleston ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>Mike,
Then at least pass some of it over this way ;) Anyway, I would love to agree with you, but I'm afraid I can't. I'm going to keep my expectations relatively low for this one. LCD iMac is all I'm picturing right now. Whoever said that they would have all the same speed proc but differ in optical drives was onto something. I think that's what's going to happen with a CRT iMac as the low end. Just like the iBook. All 933mhz G3, LCD iMacs. No superdrive, yet. No G5's until Seybold. I hope I'm wrong :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

I would be ok with a Seybod release. that is still Q1.

[quote]Originally posted by Max8319:
<strong>WHEN'S MWSF?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jan 7-11

<a href=" http://www.macworldexpo.com" target="_blank">www.macworldexpo.com</a>

Heres my guess

-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source

-No 64bit OSX Dependent on G5 and demand for 64 bit application, wich outside of server and scientific supercomputing is very limited

-No OSX 1.2 Simply not eneogh time to develop a major update to OSX from the 10.1 update

-No mac clustering Why? Where's the demand? To enter the overcrowded highend server market with zero credability. Apple makes a fine single or dual proc server but garners nary a mention in the traditional server arena's

-No LCD imac LCD prices are still too high an LCD iMac from a cost standpoint is likely very close to that of and IceBook and $1199 starting price is too high for entry level market.

-No gigawire What is it?

-No1394b (aka 800Mbit firewire) TI hasn't even finalized development of the silicon.

-No USB 2.0 Won't adopt the faster USB protocol until after the faster Firewire ships

-No 802.11 a or g (aka 54Mbit and 22Mbit airport respectively) 802.11a range sucks and 802.11g spec isn't finalized. Last month they updated there Aiport hardware and software

Heres what Apple will introduce

-Up to 1.2 Ghz G4.5 (AKA Apollo) Apple won't make a huge jump in clock speed when they could make a couple clock bumps over a couple months and get more upgrade business

-Speed bumped portables at best a 800mhz Tibook and 700Mhz IceBook and slight chance at a slot loading DVD/CD-R option.

-speed bumped iMacs may sport up to 1Ghz G4 they have to do something drastic to reinvigorate iMace sales, but LCD prices are still too high

-iPicture or similar To really round out their digital hub strategy they really need a free consumer oriented photo editor

Some of you seem right on the nose, some of you seem WAY off. Here's what I think's coming, and then I'll tell you why:

1) Steve in typical clothing
2) Jibber jabber about Apple Stores, Airport 2, and OS X, demos iTunes 2 and stuff.
3) iPod flaunting and release of what that secret special port ACTUALLY does and whatever product goes with it.
4) Adobe big-wig announces Photoshop for OS X, let's a lackey actually show it.
5) Macromedia announces Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and Flash for OS X
4) Steve's computer talk:

a) Quicksilvers, TiBooks, and iBooks doing very well -- almost TOO well (ref. to TiBook CD-RW version being halted for a bit) Announcement of combo drive in TiBook models. No price increase or speed bumps.

b) LCD iMac's released
600, 700, 800Mhz G3
$1199, 1399, 1599 (we're talking about LCD's here!)
CD-ROM on bottom, CD-RW on top two
128MB, 128MB, 256MB
20, 40, 60GB HD's
14" LCD display w/ 1024x768 max. resolution
500Mhz Indigo or Snow iMac stays at bottom for education only.

And that's the show. Pretty full, really. What you WON'T see and why:

G5 PowerMacs: The G4 has a lot left in it, and Quicksilvers weren't introduced THAT long ago. They still have a bit of life left until an update. Expect a speed bump to the G4 in Tokyo, but still no G5 until summer.

Speed bumps to iBook and TiBook: They were updated AFTER the Quicksilvers and need to stretch for a while still. Expect a new TiBook enclosure (not too drastic) and speed-bump in Tokyo and a speed-bumped iBook then too.

New device: The iPod still needs it's moment in the sun, and we need to find out what the special port is for. I think it'll be a while before we see another device.

iMacs and iBooks will NOT get a G4 until PowerMacs and TiBooks have gone G5. Period. Talk about a marketing nightmare dealing with the consumer and pro models having the same processor.

The End. :D

[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>

a) Quicksilvers, TiBooks, and iBooks doing very well -- almost TOO well (ref. to TiBook CD-RW version being halted for a bit) Announcement of combo drive in TiBook models. No price increase or speed bumps.

]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you are way off here. No matter the G4/G5 rumor or not, every rumor says faster towers in Jan. And from what i hear, tower sales suck. And, Apple speed bumps them every 6 months if I remeber correctly :)

looks like My guess is getting closer:
[quote]originally posted by me:
-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source<hr></blockquote>

god I am good. Unfortunatly it doesn't look like we'll see G5 until late 2002 early 2003. They will just be sampling an embeded G5 that lacks altivec and only runs at 800Mhz by mid 2002. ouch.

[quote]-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source<hr></blockquote>

and this is different from the G4 how? everyone thought the G4 was being released no earlier than January 2000 and Apple snuck it in at Seybold in August 99. There were hundreds of test units in the field but no one heard of them. People do keep their NDAs.

[quote]-No mac clustering Why? Where's the demand? To enter the overcrowded highend server market with zero credability. Apple makes a fine single or dual proc server but garners nary a mention in the traditional server arena's<hr></blockquote>

there is a very large demand. the clustering seminar at macworld expo NY was very popular and the scientific field is growing a lot for Apple with the G4 and OS X. Clustering out of the box is just so damn logical.

[quote]-No LCD imac LCD prices are still too high an LCD iMac from a cost standpoint is likely very close to that of and IceBook and $1199 starting price is too high for entry level market.<hr></blockquote>

1.) an LCD iMac is coming.
2.) An LCD is not too expensive. There are sub 1000 PCs with LCDs now
3.) there is no reason an LCD imac can't start at 1199 or 1299. Apple could always keep a lowend CRT based imac for 899 to cover the lowend.

[quote]-No1394b (aka 800Mbit firewire) TI hasn't even finalized development of the silicon.<hr></blockquote>

thought I read that it was finalized several weeks ago?

[quote]-Speed bumped portables at best a 800mhz Tibook and 700Mhz IceBook and slight chance at a slot loading DVD/CD-R option.<hr></blockquote>

considering a faster G4 would likely set the thing on fire unless its a new rev G4 I thought it. Plus, how do you expect Apple to clear the channel when the channel is finally being filled. Think.

[quote]
-speed bumped iMacs may sport up to 1Ghz G4 they have to do something drastic to reinvigorate iMace sales, but LCD prices are still too high<hr></blockquote>

if anything the G4 is too expensive. a 1Ghz G4 would cost more than the LCD display

[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>

Apparently you failed to read that I think everything will have had a speed bump after Tokyo.

<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I read your post and again, I disagree. Tokyo is more than 6 months from July. The tower and the iMac will see speed bumps <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

iMac
1Ghz G5
19" LCD
100Gig Hard drive
4Gigs of Ram
Superduper Drive (everything under the sun)
Radeon VE 1Gig
Carbon Fiber Case
USB 2.0, Firewire 2, I think your catching on...

Powerbook
2Ghz G5
16" LCD
100Gig Hard Drive
2Gigs of Ram
Rambo drive (Burn any CD/DVD in 4sec flat)
Radeon 1Gig
Covered in Red & Gray Ferrari Paint
USB 2.0, Firewire 2, bla bla bla

That was so much fun. :)

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: KrazyFool ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Michael Grey:
<strong>applenut, I think your 'conservative' predictions are bang-on. With three exceptions:

1) no new case for G4s
2) no standard Superdrive in low-end model
3) new LCD line-up of 17" ($699), 19" ($1,199) and 22" ($2,299)

I think the G5 is close, and we'll see it before MWNY (in a new case), but this show's gonna be all about OS X (lots of demos ofFCP3, Photoshop X, etc.) and the cool new LCD iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yea, I think my conservative predictions are pretty good too ;)

Have to disagree with you strongly on the last 2 points you make though. Apple may indeed keep the sames case but
1.) the superdrive must be standard on the lowend PowerMac. It's definitely cheap enough to be in it now.
2.) I don't see any good reason why Apple would get rid of their most popular LCD (15 inch) just to replace it with a larger and more expensive model. Apple needs a display under 500 bucks. even if its only 15 inch.

I would love to see an 18.1 inch 16X9 LCD though

Just a little thing that hasn't been mentioned. Since all of nVidia's new cards are Mac compatible do you think the new PowerMacs will get the Ti cards? Also I heard the NV25 would be out by spring, so maybe the G5s could ship in March with GeForce 4s. :)

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>
LCD iMacs. 15" LCD. Same motherboard as current top of the line machine... Top of the line SE has a SuperDrive, 256MB RAM, 100GB HD.

]</strong><hr></blockquote>

As much as we'd like it, I really don't think Apple would put a Superdrive in a G3 machine. There's just not quite enough processor there.
:(

[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>

- iMac
(15 inch LCD, 32 MB GeForce 2 MX, FireWire 2 standard)

$999
933 MHz G4 Apollo
128 MB RAM
CD-ROM
40 GB HD

$1299
933 MHz G4 Apollo
256 MB RAM
DVD/CD-RW Combo
60 GB HD

$1499
933 MHz G4 Apollo
256 MB RAM
SuperDrive
80 GB HD

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Tarbash ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're kidding right? Please tell me you're not serious.

You expect APPLE to release an iMac with a G4 processor that has yet to be introduced, a Superdrive, AND a 15" LCD -- all for $1499!

You ARE kidding, right?

I can see those specs for the top end PowerMac (w/o LCD) for $3499.

Please tell me you're kidding. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

My predictions for MW in 01-02:

1. Steve Jobs will do the Keynote.
2. He'll wear a black turtleneck.
3. He'll have an iPod with him.
4. Just about everything will be cool.
5. Somethings won't be available until later.
6. People will write about how hot the new things run.
7. Some people will try to scratch them.
8. Some Mac weenies will ask "why not faster-better-more?" for weeks to come, even if they don't own a late model Mac.
9. PC weenies will ask "who cares? It's only a Mac..."
10. It'll be cold in some parts of the US that week, but I'll be happy inside playing on my 800-D.

[quote]Originally posted by JasonPP:
<strong>933 MHz G4 Apollo - what? $200 MAX
256 MB RAM - What? $15 MAX
SuperDrive - What? $500 MAX
80 GB HD - What? $100 MAX!

What else?

Motherboard - $100 MAX!!
15"LCD - $200 MAX (if it's *yawn* 1024x768)
bluetooth keyboard and mouse (neato!) - $75 MAX
Geforce 2 vidcard - $50 MAX!!
misc - $300

let's see then:

$1540...add $10 for r&d (at 100,000 units a month that's $120,000,000 in 1 year.)

shipping marketing and packaging, add another $120,000,000 or $10 per unit)

$1560 then for the sucker. Add 25% margin and...

$1950 US. I can see them going for $1899. That's $300 more than the high end iMac today, and $1399 LESS than the 867Mhz PM with 15"LCD and superdrive.

wow. iWant!</strong><hr></blockquote>

unfortunately your numbers are off. G4s based on the 7450 design for some reason cost a ton. especially the high clocked ones. the 7410s were cheap. the 7460 will likely be similar to the 7450 unfortunately.

Superdrive is around 300 probably too.

Geez, the 15" and 17" are still $599 and $999 respectively? I've been looking at the deveoper pricing too much. These definitely need a cut. :)

Alex

I hereby declare that if a G5 is released at MWSF 2002, I will eat something that most people would agree is unpalatable.

- Pook

[quote]Originally posted by Alexander:
<strong>Geez, the 15" and 17" are still $599 and $999 respectively? I've been looking at the deveoper pricing too much. These definitely need a cut. :)

Alex</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I think they could each go down $100, maybe a drop of for the 17".

When Moto disappointed at MWNY and failed to deliver the 7460 chip on time,javascript: x() Apple was in a fix on its MHz timetable. That's when it took over the development of the G5 chip. With concerted effort they have pushed Moto to get the Apollo chip into production, because their efforts have gone so well that the G5 Goldfish is now in volume production.javascript: x() No one disputes that the G3 Sahara is ready to roll. This senario has a lot of upside and MWSF will truly be an exciting event.

Here is my evaluation of what could be on tap:
Low end iMac?$699
?700 MHz in same form factor
?100 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC100 SDRAM
?20 GB Hard Drive, Slot loading 24 x CD-ROM
?Two USB Ports, two 400 Firewire
?ATI Rage 128 Ultra, AGP 2X

LCD iMAC $999
?15" LCD Display
?800 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC133 SDRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, CD-ROM
?Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

LCD iMAC $1,199
?15" LCD Display
?867 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
?Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

LCD iMAC $1,499
?15" LCD Display
?933 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SDRAM
?80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
?NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Low end Powerbook $2,199
Same form factor
?733 MHz or possibily 867 MHz 7450 G4
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SDRAM
?30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
?Two USB Ports, one 400 Firewire
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Powerbook $2,999
Same form factor
?1 GHz Apollo 7460 G4
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Powerbook $3,299
Same form factor
?1.13 GHz Apollo 7460 G4
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Power Mac G5 $2,199
Same form factor
?1.2 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Power Mac G5 $2,999
Same form factor
?1.6 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
?400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 w/twinview and 64MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

Power Mac G5 $3,699
Same form factor
?Duel 1.4 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
?400 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?Two USB Ports, Two Gigawire
?Book E Core
?NVIDIA GeForce3 w/twinview and 64MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 400 Port
?Built in Airport

Possible Surprise
New all in one iMac form factor
Revolution iMAC $799
?17" Short neck CRT
?700MHz Sahara G3
?400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?20 GB Hard Drive, 24xCD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
?Built in Airport

$999
?17" Short neck CRT
?800MHz Sahara G3
?400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
?Built in Airport

$1099
?17" Short neck CRT
?800MHz Sahara G3
?400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, CD/RW
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
?Built in Airport

LCD iMAC would then be positioned as the cube's replacement and priced $1,199, $1,399 and $1,599
------------
Due at MWT
iBook G3 $1,299
same form factor
?800MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC133SDRAM
?20 GB Hard Drive, 24xCD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 400 Port
?Built in Airport

iBook G3 $1,499
same form factor
?900MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133SDRAM
?30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?2 USB & 1 FireWire 400 Port
?Built in Airport

iBook G3 $1,599
same form factor
?900MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC133SDRAM
?40 GB Hard Drive, CD-RW
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

iBook G3 $1,699
same form factor
?900MHz Sahara G3
?133 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC133SDRAM
?60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
?NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
?Built in Airport

If shortneck iMAC unfolds and LCD iMAC fills the Cube's marketing slot, look for the iTablet to position between the iBook and the Powerbookjavascript: x()

:(
If it is true it is a very bad news...
133 speed bump in 6 month how amazed I am..
Too sad

[quote]Originally posted by danho:
<strong>Just visited my local CompUSA. I asked the manager about new mac systems. Aside from the flat panel Imac, he stated Apple was coming out with a dual 1Ghz tower, with 512 MB ram, 120 GB hd, lots of software - for about $3500.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If so, the high end (single) G4e should clock up to 1.13 Ghz.

If this is a 0.18 micron SOI, it seems pretty reasonable.

[quote]Originally posted by blabla:
<strong>

If so, the high end (single) G4e should clock up to 1.13 Ghz.

If this is a 0.18 micron SOI, it seems pretty reasonable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

HOLY SHIT! If the top fo the line is the 1.13ghz single and the Dual 1.ghz is the middle one at $3500, WTF would the top cost!?!?!?

FuukME! Something doesn't sound right or Apple has lost their damn mind.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

I agree. There's something that just doesn't make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, it would make sense if the speeds were:

1.0, 1.2, Dual 1.0.

But it doesn't seem likely. No way this guy knows this...Apple employees don't even know what is coming out...I'm talking Apple SALES PEOPLE. When I ordered my Pismo the day the came out, the guy said "it sure was exciting to come to work this morning and see all the new products".

Steve runs a damn Iron Curtain like ship over there. CompUsa...ROTFL.

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>

HOLY SHIT! If the top fo the line is the 1.13ghz single and the Dual 1.ghz is the middle one at $3500, WTF would the top cost!?!?!?

FuukME! Something doesn't sound right or Apple has lost their damn mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I meant: Top end G4 _CPU_ could problably reach 1.13 Ghz using _0.18_ and SOI. (SOI adds about 20 % speed-imprevement. Of course: If Motorola is able to make 0.13 micron G4s, the G4 would clock higher. )

But the top end G4 Apple Powermac would probably be a dual 1 Ghz, and a single 1.13 Ghz in the middle.

Just like today: The high end G4 from Motorola is 866, but the high end Powermac is a dual 800..

[ 12-09-2001: Message edited by: blabla ]</p>

True :)

Thank god because if the top of the line was a dual 1ghz this show (MWSF) would suck. Only a 133 mhz increase in 6 fricking months!?

[edit wrong show]

[ 12-09-2001: Message edited by: KidRed ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by PookJP:
<strong>I hereby declare that if a G5 is released at MWSF 2002, I will eat something that most people would agree is unpalatable.

- Pook</strong><hr></blockquote>

I want pictures!!!! *Just kidding!!*

well let's try a prediction (estimed fiability : 5 % :p )

LCD imac, with IBM chips inside, the 750 fx at only one speed 800 mhz, various type of HD and choice of CDrom our DVD rom or combo and various amount of memory.
low end :
CD rom player, 30 GB HD prize : 1500 $ 128 Mb ram (unfortunetaly)
middle : DVD rom, 40 GB HD 256 Mb ram : 1700 $
hig end : 60 GB HD, 256 MB ram and combo : prise 1900 $

Powermac G4 with appolo chips ranging from 933 to 1,13 ghz
single 933 mhz
dual 1 ghz
single 1,13 ghz.
Minor changes to the mobo, still not DDR Ram (only for the G5 when they will came), ata 100 and perhaps FW2.

Ibook at 700 mhz unstead of 600 mhz. Radeon mobility card in it.

powerbook, small speed bump using the 7441 chip, 866 mhz, and 667 mhz , all machines with 133 mhz bus.

i care about the imac cause thats a huge seller for apple but im more worried about the powermacs because i buy for use in my digital recording studio. pessimistic predictions:

PowerMac G4 867mhz
DDR RAM: 256MB
HD: 40 gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 2 32MB
Optical Drive: CD-RW / DVD combo
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$1699

PowerMac G4 933mhz
DDR RAM: 512MB
HD: 60 gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 2 Twin View
Optical Drive: Superdrive
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$2499

PowerMac G4 1+ghz
DDR RAM: 1024MB
HD: 80gig 7,200rpm ATA 133
GeForce 3
Optical Drive: Superdrive
USB 2.0
Firewire 2 (gigawire?)
10/100/1000 ethernet
$3499

Reasoning for certain things:
G4 - i dont believe the G5 is ready despite rumors. I think MWSF is only the GHZ roof breaking day.
Faster bus & DDR ram: Its time. Apple knows.
Optical drive: im still not certain there will be enough profit margin for apple for the low end machines if they drop in a superdrive. i may be wrong because steve said he wanted a superdrive in the imacs in 2002 (i remember them discussing that over a streaming financial meeting thing webcast)
Thats just my $0.02

<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

As the Apple Turns (recently the best rumor source) posted this yesterday:

"So here's what the crystal revealed: as we suspected, the PowerPC G5 won't be making an appearance (not for another six months, anyway), and instead, we'll get faster Power Mac G4s starting at 933 MHz and punching well past the gigahertz barrier. The long-awaited flat-panel iMac is a definite go, though the specs are fuzzy-- although we do see the nearly-as-long-awaited "iPhoto" consumer image-editing app coming along for the ride, and it looks to be sort of like Mac OS X's "Image Capture" application on steroids and dipped in a pretty iCandy coating. Speaking of Mac OS X, there was a definite vibe that January 7th would constitute the official switchover; as of that date, upon first boot, owners of all new Macs will be greeted with the pleasing contours of Aqua. As for an iBook revision to keep things on par with the new iMac, the crystal says no, but hints at an update in Tokyo. All in all, vague but satisfying."

Add DDR RAM and I'd be satisfied.

[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: gfeier ]</p>

You forgot a dual model.