What X11 programs are you using?

i'll be using pysoulseek as soon as i install the new beta of x11 tomorrow.

Originally posted by zKillah
X11 for Mac OS X offers UNIX users the ability to run thousands of X11 applications concurrently with other Mac OS X applications. What applications are you using?


Here's my list:

Mozilla (I only use this remotely on other machines)
Gtetrinet (a decent online Tetris game)
Gnome (I just wanted to try it, I've never really used it)
Gaim (remotely on other machines)
Dillo (again, remotely)
Denemo (music notation program)
Abiword (natively! I don't need to pay for Monopolysoft Word)
Gimp (Isn't as nice as photoshop, but worth the money difference)

This is one of my main reasons for upgrading to 10.2 from 9. I am now completely legal because I can use software like Abiword and Gimp instead of pirated copies of Word and Photoshop.

Midnight Commander is an extremely helpful graphical file browser for the xterm.

I also use filmgimp regularly.

Originally posted by Alpha Mac
Can we have some links please

http://fink.sourceforge.net

or http://fink.sf.net

and http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/

are basically all you need.

Originally posted by drumbug1
Here's my list:

Mozilla (I only use this remotely on other machines)
Gtetrinet (a decent online Tetris game)
Gnome (I just wanted to try it, I've never really used it)
Gaim (remotely on other machines)
Dillo (again, remotely)
Denemo (music notation program)
Abiword (natively! I don't need to pay for Monopolysoft Word)
Gimp (Isn't as nice as photoshop, but worth the money difference)


Just a question:

How do you accually install Gimp ? I have installed X11, downloaded Gimp from Gimp.org, and GTK from gtk.org. When running ./configure on Gimp, it tells me that i need to install gtk (or something along those lines).

When trying to run ./configure on GTK1.2.10 it tells me that i need to set the host. Trying ./configure --host=powerpc-apple-darwin.6.4 gives e yet another error:

ltconfig: you must specify a host type if you use `--no-verify'

What gives? How do you install, for instance, Gimp, og Abiword ? Because those are based on GTK right ?

.:BoeManE:.

O.k. So I'm not a UNIX user, never have, but I'm interested in using OpenOffice for X11 and downloaded it the other day and got OpenOffice as well but can't get it to work.

Am I, being inexperienced with Unix shooting myself in the foot with this or is this easy enough to be done by anybody?
I know it says in the Apple website that it should work fine, but I may be missing something. Do I need Darwin?
Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated, thank you

MA

I'm trying to run MacVICE, a Commodore-64 emulator!!!!!

In fact, I started a thread about it in the OS X forum because I couldn't decide whether it should go here or there. Serrano just suggested that I actually include some LINKS so people could help me get it running.

If anybody wants to run old C64 apps (for fun and nostalgia) then bugger off to THIS THREAD (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10027) and see if you know what's going on.

Anyway, please keep posting info about these other apps that we can run!

I just tried Fink yesterday, on OSX 10.2.4, with no luck. the /sw/bin/init.sh script wouldn't run.

As a side note, I am in Gentoo linux with the spiffy new X11 4.3 ati drivers, and my fav. X11 app is a tie between GLTron and Armagetron. :D

Wow... a lot of confused people.

1st: Darwin is an operating system. If you have Mac OS X, you have Darwin. It's not a separate program, you can't uninstall it, you can't upgrade it. It's part of Mac OS X.

2nd: If you want to use open source programs on Mac OS X, use fink. I repeat: Use fink. Go to the fink website and follow their install instructions for fink. Once you do that, download FinkCommander (http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/index.php). It's a graphical interface for fink, so that you don't have to use the terminal.

3rd: Unless you know what you are doing don't try to build the programs yourself. Use fink to install the programs you want. You don't have to separately download the files and try to configure and build them or anything like that. fink supplies you with the option to build the program from source or to install binaries. It also takes care of any dependencies.

You've nearly got it, but Fink also ports command line applications like the mysql database as well as the graphical X11 apps.

Well, Mac OS X has had X11 apps for a while, the new thing is that Apple is providing its own X Server which bodes well for better integration and general support from Apple.

Many assumed that Apple would distance itself from X11 in order to force ports. I think Apple has been pleasantly surprised by the uptake by, and commitment from, the unix community and want's to give them the ability to run remote apps even if it makes 'native' ports slightly less likely.

So to answer your question, the difference is the same as it has always been: Mac OS X is a slightly odd unix that makes up for its slight idiosyncracies by being an absolute corker of a desktop/office/multimedia machine.

Linux's key feature has always been, and always will be, its licence. The many benefits are too numerous to list so I'll stick to three key effects (which are also causes): it is cheap, it is a commodity, and it is ubiquitous.

It is important to note that these OS's are helping each other much more than they are competing, and future success depends on co-operating more with those that you compete with in order to leave behind those that don't co-operate. It's all about what people are calling co-opetition. (http://www.google.com/search?q=co-opetition&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

I use Gimp, Gaim, sodipodi, and once I get it to work right, 3Dpong. I don't use them very often since I have OS X equivalents of all... well, not 3D Pong, but I have http://www.a-stupid.co.uk/cgi-bin/curveball.php

Right now I'm installing the entire gnome-games suite. This is taking forever, these games rule though.

Dumb newbie question (before i plunge headlong into it)

After installing X11 is it ok to just have it sitting around, or can you delete all remnants of it if you wish and banish it to the bin.

I just use Xmaple and occasionally Xemacs (what a POS text editor...). Wish I could get pro/engineer working through one of the school's solaris servers but that's not supported.

OpenOffice...

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Originally posted by stupider...likeafox
Installing x11 is as easy as double clicking on an installer and accepting a few default answers.I wish! Twice I've attempted to install x11 gave up on both occasions.

No, its not impossible, but I'd bet that less than 5% of users are capable of installing X11 and then running an app. There is so much conflicting and incomplete information on these windowing systems that users must be damn near *nix experts in order to run apps on X11. The installation steps aren't hard, but figuring out what the steps are, without making a single mistake the first time, is quite difficult. An unsuccessful installation is likely to make further installation effort fruitless without first knowing how to 'uninstall'.

Don't get me wrong; X11 is a great addition to OS X. It opens up a whole new library of free (and commercial) software for Mac users.

I just hope that apple is still streamlining the installation process. If X11 installation was actually simple, users wouldn't know (or even need to know) that an app was X11 dependent. Currently, the installation process is complicated enough that it would be a disservice to list the apps on verstiontracker and MacUpdate. However, java apps don't need to be distinguished from 'native' apps because the installation process is exactly the same. This is what we should be shooting for with regard to X window apps.

Hmmm. I was trying to write this such to not piss off all the X11 users but may have failed. Sorry! I really do like the idea of Mac OS X being able to seamlessly run X11 software. This post is just an attempt to raise awareness that their is much room for improvement in the installation process. Without improvement, only forum mongers and us geeks will be able to successfully run X11 apps.

In conclusion: I'm running no X11 apps. ;)

It just isn't worth my time to do the google research on how to un-bork my installation. It would be more economical for me to work at my regular job and then buy a 'commercial' version of openoffice. shhhh ;)

Thought you might want to see something besides a game.

http://idisk.mac.com/weasesoldier/Public/gabe/appleinsider/gimpload.jpg

Gimp Screen Shot ( http://idisk.mac.com/weasesoldier/Public/gabe/appleinsider/gimp.jpg)

I have tried fink and found it be less than intuitive to use. Is fink the only way to get the latest version of Xemacs installed and running in X11?