PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Anyone noticed horizontal lines when playing movies or some games? It's hard to describe so I'll see if can get a picture up somewhere in a bit..Anyone have an iDisk public folder?
It looks like the top half of the screen is out of sync with the bottom half; the top half is aligned horizontally a little bit to the right (left?) of the bottom half. Sometimes there are several lines. Anyway I assume this is a fscking NVIDIA problem, since it never happened on my iBook with good old ATI. Am I crazy or does anyone else with a 12" know what I'm talking about?
This is a great laptop for games but these weird lines that crop up really are queer, they are crazy in Harry Potter! In Wipeout 2097 I don't see them... When I play movies I see them though. Again I believe it's only fullscreen (related to that bug where playing DVDs lags in full screen? <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002259)" target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002259)</a>
edit: I searched Apple discussions and couldn't find this, I'll call Apple monday and see if they know about it. I bet a GeForce Go driver update is coming soon.. Maybe they'll tweak performance too.
[ 03-09-2003: Message edited by: Aquatic ]</p>
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# 1 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Haven't seen that <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Scott at 2007-11-17 10:41:39 >
# 2 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I haven't seen that either, but have only really played a couple games and 1 movie.
The thing which pisses me off is if you are using the machine in closed lid mode, you get framerates like you are using dual displays. So you basically can't use an attached monitor to play games at all - QE doesn't even work on the attached monitor.
Grrrrr.
# 3 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Look closely and you must see lines! It has to be full screen.
Also, what do you mean it has no QE when the 'Book is closed? Doesn't it give all the VRAM (32) to the external display since the internal one is off? if not that sounds like another bug.
edit: how would I post a screenshot from Max Payne or Harry Potter or a movie in QT Full Screen? You used to be able to hit command-shift-3 but what can I do in 10.2.4?
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: Aquatic ]</p>
# 4 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
You can't make screenshots while DVD Player.app is running. You can however do it with SnapzPro or another app which name I forgot.
It's fine with Games and other stuff.
# 5 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
OK I'll take a screenshot with SnapzPro in a bit. Anyone have a public folder on their iDisk?
# 6 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
[quote]Originally posted by Aquatic:
<strong>OK I'll take a screenshot with SnapzPro in a bit. Anyone have a public folder on their iDisk?</strong><hr></blockquote>
i do psantora is the name, and its open i have about 40 megs free
go nuts (well not too nuts, i have some stuff i want to keep in there)
Paul at 2007-11-17 10:46:41 >
# 7 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
OK I will tomorrow if I can, thanks.
NVIDIA SUCKS... The problem is deeper than I previously reported. Movies show these lines even in windowed mode, and even regular windows (iTunes or Finder windows for example) exhibit these lines when dragging. I'll definitely post screenshots. I started a thread at Apple called ""lines" on PowerBook G4 display"
This applies to external displays as well. When I plugged my PB into the TV the lines showed up, in Return to Castle Wolfenstein, for example. Hurry up with those damn NVIDIA driver updates Apple..tsk tsk going with NVIDIA tsk tsk...I hope I can upgrade my vid card, I hear it's on a daughter card.
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: Aquatic ]</p>
# 8 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
[quote]Originally posted by Aquatic:
<strong>Also, what do you mean it has no QE when the 'Book is closed? Doesn't it give all the VRAM (32) to the external display since the internal one is off? if not that sounds like another bug.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm actually it looks like QE actually is working - I had thought it wasn't because there was no shadow on my cursor. That just looks like a bug.
BUT, it looks like no, the external display doesn't get all the VRAM. I have noticed a huge performance drop when playing Baldur's Gate II - closed lid vs. normal. Are others seeing no drop off in frame rates for games? Maybe I have an issue with my footlong?
# 9 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
[quote]Originally posted by The Pie Man:
<strong>The thing which pisses me off is if you are using the machine in closed lid mode...</strong><hr></blockquote>
How do you get it to work in "closed lid mode" mine just goes to sleep!?
Clive at 2007-11-17 10:49:41 >
# 10 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Heehee Clive I like your location. ;)
I would think closed-lid operation is a no-no unless stated as ok since the PB produces a lot of heat. I don't know if that would harm the screen or block heat transfer.
Anway isn't anyone else seeing these damn horizontal out-of-sync LINES on anything that moves sideways a lot on the screen!? They appear when you move sideways in a game (wolfenstein for example) when a movie moves a lot, like panning sideways, or when just rapidly moving a window.
I'm surprised at the resounding silence on this issue.. no one's replied at Apple's forums, though the DVD lagging sure gets lots of responses! I bet if you look closely Clive and Pie Man you'll notice these lines..Once you do you'll be anal about it too I bet!
# 11 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
take a pic and put it on my iDisk
Paul at 2007-11-17 10:51:40 >
# 12 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
[quote]Originally posted by Aquatic:
<strong>Heehee Clive I like your location. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I guess it's like "Old Europe, Old England". ;)
[quote]Originally posted by Aquatic:
<strong>Anway isn't anyone else seeing these damn horizontal out-of-sync LINES on anything that moves sideways a lot on the screen!? They appear when you move sideways in a game (wolfenstein for example) when a movie moves a lot, like panning sideways, or when just rapidly moving a window.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm moving a window all over the place, no lines. I haven't noticed it on streaming or QuickTime stuff either.
I reckon you have a bad card or book.
Clive at 2007-11-17 10:52:40 >
# 13 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I bet that an Apple rep will know how to get it fixed. Of course, the problem won't be there when you try to show it to the dude, because that's the way that the world works.
# 14 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Hehe how true. How do you publicly access iDisks? <img src="embarrassed.gif" border="0">
I took a screenshot of a vid in full screen and the results are...interesting. I used Command shift 3. I've never done that on another mac before so I'm not sure if the REALLY messed up screenshot is a result of the NIVIDIA bug or just trying to cap a QT vid. Anyway, I saw the lines, when holding the right arrow key and going through the videos, but everytime I'd try to stop at a line to see if I could take a pic of that frame it would disappear. The lines only appear when the video is playing. The line appears at the bottom and works its way up to the top, in games there are multiple lines. It would be weird if it was just my PB! Please Clive and Pie Man look very close when you play a full screen vid (high quality vid or else it's hard to notice) or if you're in Wolfenstein or Max Payne go up to a wall and look left/right fast. You must see lines!? Geez I hope Sonnet or someone comes out with a upgrade with the new cards either NVIDIA or ATI are coming out with.
# 15 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
[quote]Originally posted by Aquatic:
<strong>Hehe how true. How do you publicly access iDisks? <img src="embarrassed.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.mac.com/1/idiskutility_download.html" target="_blank">http://www.mac.com/1/idiskutility_download.html</a>
Paul at 2007-11-17 10:55:45 >
# 16 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
is it like the lines you see when a computer monitor is being recorded at a different frame rate than the screen is flickering?
i havent any real idea what would cause this except perhaps a mistiming between the cpu and the graphics card...
# 17 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
No. And I got a screenshot that shows what I'm talking about in Wolfenstein. For some reason the lines appear even worse in the shot, maybe it's something to do with the limitations of the human eye. I'll post the shot in a min after I kill some Nazis in Wolfenstein.
# 18 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Sorry, I haven't got any games or video that goes full screen - I'll check though.
You're never going to get a shot of these artifacts with a simple screen shot. You may get one with snapzpro, but I doubt it - you're only ever going to be able to see it, not record it.
Clive at 2007-11-17 10:58:46 >
# 19 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Oh I got some great screenshots that show how terrible this looks, in fact they look worse in a snapshot!! They're in Paul's iDisk. Thanks for the space bro. How do I link to them?
# 20 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I got the exact same PowerBook as Aquatic yesterday, so I'd be interested to see how this turns out.
How do you stop it from sleeping when the lid is closed? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Stoo at 2007-11-17 11:00:48 >
# 21 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Interesting question but wouldn't the heat be bad for the LCD screen and prevent heat from escaping right? I didn't see anything about it being ok to do this in the documentation, I'll ask Apple when I ask them about the lines tomorrow.
# 22 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
If you plug in a USB keyboard and monitor - it will wake back up (if it is sleeping with the lid closed). I have the mouse plugged into the keyboard, and it works that way (they don't have to be plugged in independently).
Mine has this weirdness, where it wakes up, goes back to sleep, then I can wake it up again. But it works - and it is a touted feature of the 12" PB (all PowerBooks AFAIK).
# 23 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Originally posted by Aquatic:
Oh I got some great screenshots that show how terrible this looks, in fact they look worse in a snapshot!! They're in Paul's iDisk. Thanks for the space bro. How do I link to them?
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook/iTunes.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook/QT.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook/wolf.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook/wolf2.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook/wolf3.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook/wolf4.jpg
(renamed things so they would be easy to link to ;) )
[large images = bad! use links or thumbnails! - Brad]
Paul at 2007-11-17 11:03:54 >
# 24 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I played part of Monsters Inc on my new Powerbook today... didn't notice anything wrong, and certainly nothing to the degree of the weirdness depicted on those screenshots...
Sorry, dude. I hope this issue gets resolved for you soon cause I can certainly see how annoying that would get.
# 25 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
So if this NVidia card is problematic, how hard is it to change it out when an ATI Radeon card comes along? Is it major surgery? Am I going to have to ship it off to Apple? I'm kinda leery about plunking down $2k for a new computer that has video card problems, wobbly cases, heat dissipation issues, etc.
# 26 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I can't explain it but the screen shots look worse than the actual problem. This is probably because they only appear for a second, and the human eye can't percieve it all so fast. Also when watching a movie it's just one sync line that works its way up the display to the top and then another one starts at the bottom, like a crappy vhs tape or something. Paul thanks for saving my sanity I was finding it hard to explain. Also I uploaded more, there's this one pic that only has a few lines and that's more what it looks like in person. Anyone with a 12", just look real closely when the movie is panning or you're moving sideways fast in a game like Wolfenstein. Also this is even affects NES/SNES roms in emulators. :(
I'll call Apple tomorrow...I'll also ask about the DVD lagging and the sleeping with lid closed and QE issues. Anything else I should ask them while they're on the phone? ;)
# 27 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook2/wolf.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook2/wolf2.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook2/butt.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook2/face.jpg
Re-upload that last pic...(you had 5) it seems to be corrupted... and don't go so crazy with the names... short names are better then long ones...
you are welcome ;)
[large images = bad! use links or thumbnails! - Brad]
Paul at 2007-11-17 11:08:02 >
# 28 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Well the Apple guy didn't know what I was talking about and was too lazy to check your iDisk Paul! :p :(
Resetting NVRAM didn't do anything, and I guess I'll take it to an Apple store. Also he didn't know anything about Bluetooth mice & OS X and claimed you can't run your PB while the lid is closed. Hmm. Maybe I got a dud and they'll upgrade me to a 17 inch? <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
# 29 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Yeah I haven't ever seen anything like that on my footlong... I think you might have some video card issues.
# 30 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
afaik you can run the PB12" in closed mode only if you have an external monitor AND usb keyboard and mouse attached.
i have done so with my PB and find it useful at my workstation at work, where i am lucky enough to have a monitor with switchable dual vga inputs.
i haven't noticed many issues with playback in my first month of ownership (although i am on my second one: the first lost a hex screw from the screen bezel, didn't sit properly on a flat surface, and had a 'sticky' trackpad button.)
hope you get to the bottom of your problem :)
jobes at 2007-11-17 11:11:04 >
# 31 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I think you all have it and you aren't noticing it. I think it is the refresh rate of the LCD itself that is causing it. However it can do 75 hz and when we mirrored it it showed up on an external CRT... Kinda weird that it does it at 75 hz. I grabbed a 667 Ti and noticed these lines in Wolfenstein but to a little bit lesser degree.
So using the PB with the lid closed will NOT hurt the LCD or comp? Becuase if it won't that's my solution, when i want to game or watch a movie i'll plug it into my roommate's big ol' CRT.. :)
edit: Question: would Bluetooth mice/keyboard make it work with the lid closed? That would be sooooo coooool!
[ 03-15-2003: Message edited by: Aquatic ]</p>
# 32 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I have never had a video problem on my GHz iMac, but a screen shot of iTunes visuals on my machine looks just like yours.
I don't think it's possible to get a full screen visuals screenshot that doesn't look crappy.
murbot at 2007-11-17 11:13:04 >
# 33 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I haven't seen anything like that. I've played the Wolfenstein* demo, Quake 3, Warcraft 3 demo and lots of DVDs and never saw that.
Scott at 2007-11-17 11:14:06 >
# 34 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Apple upgrade you to a 17"? Heh. I should hope they get them out to the people who actually bought them (and hope they're intact, without heat problems). Keep dreamin' ;) Yeah, too bad these new-generations books have the NVIDIA chipsets - I'd go for NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti in a tower (which my bro has -- 128MB VRAM -- drool, drool...), but the Radeon in my little TiBook does very well. Good luck with these weird problems, though -- I hope the case thing is just an anomaly.
# 35 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
http://homepage.mac.com/psantora/.Public/minibook2/it.jpg
heh I freaked out my brother b putting folders on his desktop in OS9 a few times...
and yes the iDisk is mad slow and yes i have .Mac
[large images = bad! use links or thumbnails! - Brad]
Paul at 2007-11-17 11:16:04 >
# 36 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
found this on the apple site forums-
The best way is to connect the monitor you want to use. Nothing will be displayed unless you click Detect Displays. Then restart. Wait for the chime - but literally as soon as the PowerBook has chimed, close the lid. Your external monitor will now show the start-up sequence. Once it has finished, you can open the lid and use the keyboard and trackpad - and the built-in screen will not come on unless you click Detect Displays. You can open and close the lid as much as you want and it will not make the PowerBook sleep.
Thanks Ti Fighter this worked. Now I don't have to worry about the screen and heat. Well my "lines" are definitely a crappy NVIDIA driver issue, since I used your method and connected to a CRT and saw these "lines" at all refresh rates and resolutions. Since no one else has this this it leaves me wondering whether I have a dud though. I'm going to try calling Apple again today.
# 37 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Ok i'm an idiot, if you are on battery you can't use an external monitor with the lid closed, even using the restart trick above. I plugged the power in and i can do everything now, even without restarting. With it running just close the lid, plug in you display, wake it up with an external mouse or keyboard, once its up on the external like 10-15 seconds you can even open the lid and the internal display wont turn on untill you go to detect displays. BUT if your computer goes to sleep and the lid is open, it will wake up on the powerbook screen. So just set the display to sleep, and put computer sleep to never.
# 38 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
i'll play a DVD on my 12" PB tonight and see what it looks like. haven't tried it in the past.
-alcimedes
# 39 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I've had my 12" PowerBook for about a month now and have watched many DVDs on it and have never seen anything like this. I don't see this when I am rapidly moving finder windows either. I also haven't seen this behavior posted at MacNN or the Apple Discussion Forums. Are we all missing something while testing it? This PowerBook has been a real gem so far.
# 40 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Nope I checked the store one, I think it affects ALL of them. I think the drivers just need goosing for performance.
# 41 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Originally posted by Patchouli
I've had my 12" PowerBook for about a month now and have watched many DVDs on it and have never seen anything like this. I don't see this when I am rapidly moving finder windows either. I also haven't seen this behavior posted at MacNN or the Apple Discussion Forums. Are we all missing something while testing it? This PowerBook has been a real gem so far.
I've got to agree, it's actually the best powerbook i've ever had! and thats been a few from the 165c onwards...
Even better now I know that maximum memory limit has just jumped 512mb
# 42 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Originally posted by Aquatic
I think the drivers just need goosing for performance.
I have to agree with Aquatic. There is definitely a driver issue with the 12" powerbook, and this is apparent when it operates in full screen. I have too noticed the DVD frame drop and the image shift in full screen games. And could you believe that? A classic game named BrickAttack operates in a wallstreet under 10.1.5 much more smoothly than on a 12" powerbook under 10.2.4 (always in classic). For me, this is the proof that there is something wrong with the 12" video drivers. Apple is already aware; hope only for a quick fix.
PB at 2007-11-17 11:23:16 >
# 43 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Yep despite craptacular NVIDIA this is the best Apple machine I've ever seen, period. I just used Bluetooth file transfer with another PBG4 12" users, worked like a champ.:)
# 44 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
My PB actually has a slight wobble diagonally left to right..it didn't until I took the battery out (thanks Applecare when I called them about the graphics drivers and they said reset the PMU...just kidding!)
# 45 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
It happens to me even while I play Captain Bumper which was VERY smooth on my iBook. That is very sad, Apple should have updated their NVIDIA 420 Go drivers by now.
# 46 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
10.2.5 fixed DVD lagging in fullscreen.:) The lines are horizontal and happen when you pan sideways in a game rapidly, like in Wolfenstein. Hopefully Apple will update 420 GO drivers since even though there are GeForce 2mx mentioned in the 10.2.5 lsbom i still see "lines."
# 47 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
QT 6.1.1 is sucking on my computer. I'm trying to watch the matrix reloaded trailer and I'm dropping at least 7 fps. This is after upgrading to 10.2.5. Anyone having any luck with this trailer and QT 6.1.1?
# 48 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Sorry to dredge this thread up again but I think I found a solution!
When I got the Better Blitter Library (Richard Banister is the man) for RockNES I noticed an option for "VBL Synchronization" which I assume means vertically balanced line sync or something. This also works in SNES9x Custom. What does this little gem do? It makes full screen games smoother than buttah. This only works with RockNES and SNES9X.
My question is, if a shareware developer like Richard Banister can solve this problem, how come Apple can't put this in OS X system-wide? My screenshots from Max Payne (haha the Buffy thing that I read about in MacAddict is funny) look just like the Wolfenstein ones. Max Payne would look much nicer with a little good ol' "VBL Snychronization"
Paul if you want I'll send you my Max Payne images. Have you played it? High quality game, so amazing I take screenshots daily of cool stuff. One is where these guys are sliding down a rope breaking through a glass window while shooting at me. Another is of the staked guy with "-Buff" in blood next to him, that's great.:D
# 49 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
:?: So you are telling me that the 12" powerbook is not that nice as they anounced at the begining? Im a new mac user, I just love the powerbook. I havent switched yet (well i have spiritually), id love to, but if you are telling me that the games and the dvds doesnt look as nice as my old pc, well id think about it...
Please answer... anyone.
isemir at 2007-11-17 11:30:27 >
# 50 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Originally posted by isemir
:?: So you are telling me that the 12" powerbook is not that nice as they anounced at the begining? Im a new mac user, I just love the powerbook. I havent switched yet (well i have spiritually), id love to, but if you are telling me that the games and the dvds doesnt look as nice as my old pc, well id think about it...
Please answer... anyone.
I honestly don't think you will have any problems with it. its a lovely machine. What kind of games are you gonna play on it?
New at 2007-11-17 11:31:27 >
# 51 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I love the jedi outcast, warcraft, quake...
But what i really love the most is to do video edition, cutting, add music, special effects, transitions, titles.
Do you think that the Ibook G3 will do it fine? or only the G4?
by the way, which machine do you have and what is your interest area?
thnx
isemir at 2007-11-17 11:32:29 >
# 52 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Originally posted by isemir
I love the jedi outcast, warcraft, quake...
But what i really love the most is to do video edition, cutting, add music, special effects, transitions, titles.
Do you think that the Ibook G3 will do it fine? or only the G4?
by the way, which machine do you have and what is your interest area?
thnx
The G4 is definitely desirable for the all stuff you want to do. The 15" has the best graphics card of the Powerbooks (in my opinion), but then there is the expected revision of the 15". It just might be worth waiting for.
The 12" screen might be a bit small for real video editing. :)
But then you can always use an external monitor.
New at 2007-11-17 11:33:23 >
# 53 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
The Nvidia cards in the new PowerBooks are in no way as good as the Radeon 9000 in the TiBooks. I really don't understand why apple switched. The Radeon gets better frame rates than the 440 Go in the 17" and is much better than the 420 Go. Why switch the cards?
Algol at 2007-11-17 11:34:23 >
# 54 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
I'd like to know as well. Probably corporate/marketing politics of some sort.
Stoo at 2007-11-17 11:35:25 >
# 55 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Does anyone know what I'm talking about? USE SNES9x or RockNES with Better Blitter library and watch how VBL sync fixes this problem. Graphics guys, why the HELL isn't this built in to OS X? Will Panther fix it?
isemir all those games work fine, I have Jedi Knight II and WC 3 and Wolfenstein, Max Payne, etc. These lines are really just minor annoyances but you should see what they do to screenshots. It's just now that I know they can be fixed I'm just like what the fck.
# 56 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
There's no problem then that had anything to do with the book itself, just the hack job emulator code you insist on running on it.
I'm more concerned with the way drop down menus in browser windows just don't seem to work on either IE5.2 or Safari, but work just fine in IE on XP. Probably Apple has real stuff like that to worry about than someone with a 2000 dollar NES ? :P
Matsu at 2007-11-17 11:37:25 >
# 57 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
*sigh* let me explain one more time!!!!! I mean the graphics on ANYTHING exhibit these lines, from Ottomatic to Capt Bumper to certain movies in QT. Now, with VBL sync, the problem disappears. My question is: if Richard Bannister could figure out this problem, how come an entire company of geniuses can't? I'm no graphics guy but I know what I see, and when I turn VBL sync in Better Blitter on I see a problem solved. Maybe Unsanity can make a haxie out of it?:D
# 58 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Sorry, haven't had any problems playing ottomatic here.
Matsu at 2007-11-17 11:39:32 >
# 59 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Besides looking choppier than when I payed it on a FP iMac 800 with Geforce 2 (so same specs), do you notice the lines? Try not looking at the game, but at the screen. There is horizontal image shift in multiple places, once you notice it it's very obvious and if Apple never addresses this problem I will be very sad and probably not buy a rev 1 again.
# 60 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Is there where the screen seems like it's under stress and like the pictures going to just wrinkle together?
# 61 Re: PowerBook G4 12" more graphics weirdness
Yes. I saw "wrinkles" today even in Safari scrolling down to see a pic Escher posted. I had to srcoll up and down a bit to unwrinkle the page.
It happened even while watching a movie Joyride (good!) yesterday when the camera panned back and forth.
Does anyone understand what I said about VLB sync? Seems to fix it for me but only in those apps.
Ah well hopefully Panther will fix it with updated graphics.
