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Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/apple-cripples-ipod-touch-eliminates-add-button-from-calendar-297994.php
Looks like Apple are going out of their way to cripple all the features of the iPod Touch that would put it in a competing position with the iPhone, PDA-wise.
Damn them.
[296 byte] By [owen-b] at [2007-11-11 20:24:36]
# 1 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
unbelievable...
yacoub at 2007-11-15 12:49:51 >
# 2 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Big minus, I orderd it just because of the PIM apps. I'm really thinking of cancelling my order.
Maticek at 2007-11-15 12:50:51 >
# 3 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
I am cancelling my order. No way will I let Apple #### me around by crippling features to tempt me to buy the iPhone. I didn't think that's how Apple rolled, looks like I'm wrong.

I wanted an ipod with added functionality. I won't get one, so I'll stick to my basic mp3 player.

Shame Apple.
i0Nic at 2007-11-15 12:51:50 >
# 4 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
I've never had need for a digital calendar, I still write my stuff out in my student planner provided by my college, but I understand where you all are coming from. This is a bad move by Apple and will most likely lose sales from a good number of people. I'm still getting one, but it still rubs me the wrong way to see them cripple this device in this way. Maybe if enough of us write into Mr. Jobs we can get it restored in a future update.
CFStang at 2007-11-15 12:52:44 >
# 5 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Where folks are coming from is primarily that it would be ideal to have a device with this nice touch interface that offers the media player functionality as the primary purpose but that is backed up by the ability to do basic business like Notes, Weather, Maps, and E-mail. That's really not asking a lot, and it would help add value to the product to make it feel more worth $400 (16GB). Especially for people that have a cellphone and a contract and have no desire to switch to an iPhone.

Plus it would help a lot of business folks travel on short trips without having to lug a laptop because they'd have their calendar and notes and maps and e-mail accessible in hotspots (assuming internet access would allow calendar to sync/update over the web with their corporate server).

That would be so wonderful. That's the device I (and I think most others) want.

Btw, I too still use a physical planner for my daily stuff but at work I use Outlook 2003's Calendar for all of my work-related items (logically since we use it to set meetings, it helps to use it so people will know when you're free/not free when they're setting a meeting.) I'd love to be able to sync the schedule in that work calendar with the Calendar in the Touch via wi-fi and of course be able to add new events to it.
yacoub at 2007-11-15 12:53:45 >
# 6 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
So you can't update it manually on the Ipod but will it sync with your iCal from the Mac and show the appointments, etc on the iPod?

If they would just add the dang note feature back you could at least jot it down and then input later when you sync up.

I am glad there is a hacker community out there that will add back whatever we want to really get this thing to work as a full feature PDA. That's all I want...
Pigs at 2007-11-15 12:54:55 >
# 7 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
thats what my moto q is for:D
Ldog12395 at 2007-11-15 12:55:47 >
# 8 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
thats what my moto q is for:D
Yes, exactly. Although I have a Dash, but I'm not looking for a PDA in the ipod Touch, because quite frankly my Dash does a better job than the iphone at that stuff. My dash does suck as a media device though.
BII at 2007-11-15 12:56:51 >
# 9 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
And for what is still the vast majority of the cell phone population that doesn't use a smartphone with all sorts of apps, they would LOVE to have a device that covers basic PDA functionality in their media player.

The iPod Touch has every opportunity to be the inverse of a PDA which generally has basic media player functionality, by being a media player with basic PDA functionality.

Our current cellphones work fine so we're not in the market for an iPhone, but we are interested in a media player w/ E-mail, Calendar, Notes, and Google Maps.

For the majority of people in the market for an iPod Touch, the decision isn't between an iPhone and a Touch, it's between a Touch and other media players, including the latest PDAs that offer media player functionality.
yacoub at 2007-11-15 12:57:59 >
# 10 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Interesting, I just sent an email to Steve Jobs and got a reply back very quickly...:p

Feel free to return your iPod touch for full credit.

Best,
Steve

On Sep 10, 2007, at 8:22 AM, XXXXXXXXX.com wrote:

Steve,

# # # # Your company continues to amaze me how well you can seamlessly integrate hardware and software into an excellent product. I am a recent convert to the Apple Side having a Mac Mini, iPod Nano 1st gen and 5.5g Video iPod. As soon as the new iPod Touch was announced and I read through the specifications I knew this was the one I wanted. I unfortunately can not get an iPhone due to being stuck in a Verizon contract but when that is up I do plan on moving to the iPhone and AT&T.

The reason for this email is to address the recent change to your website on the iCal feature. When I purchased the Touch it clearly stated on Apple's own site that the contact and calendar entries were editable. That has now been removed after I have purchased. There has been a lot of flak on the web about missing features that the iPhone has and I was ok with all of those up to this point, especially since it claimed to have it when I ordered. The contact and calendar are a very big reason that I chose to pay the additional price of the Touch and I hope you will reconsider removing this option.

Thanks...

XXXXXX
Pigs at 2007-11-15 12:58:57 >
# 11 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
And you just happen to have Steve's email address?
Maticek at 2007-11-15 12:59:54 >
# 12 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
you don't??

moneyhats at apple dot com! ;)
yacoub at 2007-11-15 13:00:52 >
# 13 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
I sent to sjobs@apple.com and sjobs@mac.com

Saw them on some forum...
Pigs at 2007-11-15 13:01:59 >
# 14 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
And you think this is the real one? I'd imagine him having set up a spoof email address, just to not having to deal with people like us.
Maticek at 2007-11-15 13:02:54 >
# 15 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
This is one of the dumbest moves Apple has made in a while. With the price of the iPhone being so close to the iPod Touch, people are going to buy the one they want....with phone or without, not on features. Apple should allow enter contacts put the mail and notes apps back in. In fact people, TELL THEM!

http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html
rspress at 2007-11-15 13:03:57 >
# 16 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
It kind of sucks that you can't, but I'm not buying it for the calender, that's for sure. That said, with the price between the iPhone and the Touch being so close, Apple needs to differentiate more between the two. iPhone's only 100 dollars more, and the list of features it has that the Touch doesn't just keeps getting longer as more info about the latter trickles in.
mini_me2 at 2007-11-15 13:05:03 >
# 17 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
It kind of sucks that you can't, but I'm not buying it for the calender, that's for sure. That said, with the price between the iPhone and the Touch being so close, Apple needs to differentiate more between the two. iPhone's only 100 dollars more, and the list of features it has that the Touch doesn't just keeps getting longer as more info about the latter trickles in.
I agree, i don't know why not being able to add to the calendar is such a deal breaker. That's the least of my worries. Now, if the damn thing had a camera or speakers and they chose to exclude them, then there would be some commotion from me, but a calendar? Come on.
justblaize at 2007-11-15 13:06:01 >
# 18 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
I'm glad it doesn't have a camera or speaker, but I would love if it had PDA features so it would be more useful.

Think of this - for people who already have a cellphone w/ a camera (if they even want that), which is most folks, if they could get away with just carrying the cellphone and this device, they'd be interested. If they also have to lug around a PDA just to be able to do some very basic simple things this device could EASILY do, that would be so much better. E-mail, Google Maps, Weather, Notes, Calendar (fully functional). That would be excellent.

It's really not competing against the iPhone to begin with - it's competing with other media players and with PDAs that can play media content. It would win big-time if it had those features instead of having them neutered or removed.

Hopefully someone will port them over though.

And besides our arguments of preference, the REAL kicker is that the program exists and they neutered it!!! That's really rude.
yacoub at 2007-11-15 13:07:05 >
# 19 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
There has already been people who have got confirmation from Apple support, that the Ipod Touch will allow new events on Calendar. Same features as iphone.

SK
fishcube at 2007-11-15 13:08:03 >
# 20 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
There has already been people who have got confirmation from Apple support, that the Ipod Touch will allow new events on Calendar. Same features as iphone.

SK
Confirmation of this I'd like to see, as Apple originally advertised it and then removed it from the specs. Actively removing it from the specs suggests that it's not a feature that is available. Are you sure these Apple Support people actually knew what they were talking about?
owen-b at 2007-11-15 13:09:04 >
# 21 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
WOW if this holds up to be true, this is gonna go down as one of Apple's biggest mistakes. The Touch has so much potential, but Apple are purposely holding it back!

I'm beginning to wonder if such a device could possibly be worth the $400...
Pina_p9 at 2007-11-15 13:10:07 >
# 22 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
For me it's not really about the features. Several decisions including the calender add removal just doesn't pass the "red face" test in my opinion for a company to basically go out of their way to disable features that everyone knows the device is capable of without wireless access or using wi-fi.
jeremy3721 at 2007-11-15 13:11:07 >
# 23 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Its An Ipod!! Not A Pda!!!!!
KrNbOy503 at 2007-11-15 13:12:08 >
# 24 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Its An Ipod!! Not A Pda!!!!!

Thing is, if true, Apple is deliberately removing adding new events to the calendar with the sole purpose of making the iPhone more appealing. Same goes for the removal of Notes. We all know the iPod Touch is capable of running the apps. Lameness. I expect garbage like that from less noble, corporate-greed-possessed companies, not Apple.

Still, it's all speculation, so I'll refrain from tossing bitter diatribes until iPod Touch is out and reviewed in depth. Not even the Apple sales people could tell me any specific features of the Touch.
Prinny at 2007-11-15 13:13:07 >
# 25 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Thing is, if true, Apple is deliberately removing adding new events to the calendar with the sole purpose of making the iPhone more appealing. Same goes for the removal of Notes. We all know the iPod Touch is capable of running the apps. Lameness. I expect garbage like that from less noble, corporate-greed-possessed companies, not Apple.

Still, it's all speculation, so I'll refrain from tossing bitter diatribes until iPod Touch is out and reviewed in depth. Not even the Apple sales people could tell me any specific features of the Touch.

Engadget has already posted that this has been confirmed with their contacts at Apple.
Gunner at 2007-11-15 13:14:12 >
# 26 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
There has already been people who have got confirmation from Apple support, that the Ipod Touch will allow new events on Calendar. Same features as iphone.

SK
you sir are WRONG:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/apple-confirms-ipod-touch-cannot-add-appointments/
yacoub at 2007-11-15 13:15:12 >
# 27 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Why people should take a stepback, and reflect on their needs. If you're seeking something to control your life, don't ever for a second think the iPod touch can manage that.

It's kind of weird people are complaining about the lack of ability for the iPod touch to add calendar events.

Why?

1) The iPod touch is NOT a fully functional PDA. From a hardware design perspective it is very much limited, crippled, far from what a standard PDA should be able to do (by 2006/2007 standard). It doesn't have speakers, nor the motor to vibrate. Reminders for events is almost very much crippled. I don't think it will function well as a device that suppose to help you manage your schedule at all. Leave that to a cellphone! Most cellphones these days have the calendar functionality. Better yet, a cellphone can vibrate, and make noise to remind you that you have an appointment coming up. So, why work twice (inputting events) if you can do it once, using your phone (as oppose to doing twice: iPod touch, then your cellphone. OR iPod touch, sync it with your computer, then sync your computer with your cellphone).

2) Contacts, sure, the iPod touch has an address book .app. But it's something that's better off on a cellphone/smart phone. You can't call them with your iPod touch anyway! Okay, sure, maybeeee if your cellphone is dead, and you can use the iPod touch as a back up. But it would make more sense to start adding a contact using your cellphone anyway! So, you can directly call that person without you having to go to a computer with your iPod touch, sync it with the computer, the sync that computer with your cellphone. If you'd like to place a phone call, it would make more sense to pull out your cellphone as oppose to your iPod touch anyway!

3) The only incentive for me to buy the iPod touch (as oppose to the iPod Classic) would be the WiFi + Safari combo. I use a Blackberry (the BB controls my life, I'm leashed to it. I sync it with my Macs everyday). A lot of smartphones don't have WiFi. And if it has WiFi, the browser will most likely be crappy. I've used Safari under the iPhone, and it is beautiful! So, it seems that a Blackberry + iPod touch will be an excellent combo! I can't stand the iPhone, it's a personal matter thing, I like touching my keypads.

So, quit complaining about the iPod touch, order it, and enjoy it for what it is, a DAP on crack :D.

(my post was deleted earlier?)

edit - sorry your first post ended up in the moderation queue!
hidea at 2007-11-15 13:16:07 >
# 28 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Then if they are going to force it to not be a PDA even in limited capacity, they should have gone the other direction and made it a killer media player by giving it the storage capacity it demands.

They failed by doing neither - they removed, failed to include, or neutered PDA functions and then also limited it to 16GB capacity. Failsauce.
yacoub at 2007-11-15 13:17:08 >
# 29 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
^ yacoub, I think you and Apple are looking at two different directions.
In your other thread, you wanted the iPod touch to have more storage capacity, but there's a lot of thughts you have to put into that.

If you want HDD, the HDD will chew on the iPod's battery life due to moving parts on a HDD. I'd like to think Apple is decided on using SSD due to it's efficiency, and a rather slim physical size. if you want more battery life on your iPod touch + HDD, you're gonna need a thicker iPod touch, cuz I'd assume the battery has to be larger too (more cells, larger physical battery)!
hidea at 2007-11-15 13:18:15 >
# 30 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
My overall thought is that it's an underwhelming product because they didn't design it to exceed in any of the ways it easily could have, particularly since this was a brand new product they were designing (in some sense) from the ground up (though based off the iPhone both are a new departure from the traditional iPod).

Where as they have the iPhone to replace the cellphone and media player for folks who have a PDA that's 'all business', they could have had the iPod touch to replace the PDA and media player for folks who have a cellphone that's just a cellphone/cameraphone.

Or if they wanted to keep it 'just' an iPod, they should have offered more capacity for media, especially since with the 3.5" widescreen display it is meant to play movies.

But they didn't do either thing - they didn't make it a combo device like the iPhone but for a different purpose, and they also didn't make it an exceptional iPod that has a legit capacity of 30+GB (32GB being a logical amount for a launch product using solid-state storage).

This is why I am disappointed. Then you add on top of that how they neuter functionality that's already in the product... that's sort of 'insult to injury'.
yacoub at 2007-11-15 13:19:19 >
# 31 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
^
LOL, I think you're expecting too much, sir! I really believe you're not so keen of the iPod touch because of your very very high expectation of the product!

But you have good points too!
hidea at 2007-11-15 13:20:19 >
# 32 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Oh, btw, don't get it wrong people, I'm upset that apple decided to take it off, but not enough for me to get all worked up about. I have the mentality of "a little something is stitll better than nothing" too!
hidea at 2007-11-15 13:21:22 >
# 33 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
Well Sandisk's new Sansa is coming out with 16GB of storage and plays audio and video and will be half the cost. For double the price (+$200), basic PDA functionality really isn't asking so much.
yacoub at 2007-11-15 13:22:13 >
# 34 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
^
Just like very other apple prodcuts, you're paying for a HIGH premium. Brands, etc. etc.
hidea at 2007-11-15 13:23:17 >
# 35 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
^
Just like very other apple prodcuts, you're paying for a HIGH premium. Brands, etc. etc.
The thing is, Apple products are designed like no other. They look great, their interfaces are gorgeous and slick. That's what I pay for. I looked at the Archos 605, which a friend told me was much better in the same breath as mocking me for getting excited about an "Apple piece of s***". Well I looked at it. Big. Heavy. Clunky interface. Nasty icons. Dreadful photo viewing/manipulation. Hulking great big physical buttons on the side. Overall, nasty.

I'm happy paying that little bit extra for silicon sex, thanks. It's so much more fun. :)
owen-b at 2007-11-15 13:24:22 >
# 36 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
The thing is, Apple products are designed like no other. They look great, their interfaces are gorgeous and slick. That's what I pay for. I looked at the Archos 605, which a friend told me was much better in the same breath as mocking me for getting excited about an "Apple piece of s***". Well I looked at it. Big. Heavy. Clunky interface. Nasty icons. Dreadful photo viewing/manipulation. Hulking great big physical buttons on the side. Overall, nasty.

I'm happy paying that little bit extra for silicon sex, thanks. It's so much more fun. :)

I'd have to agree to everything he said. Basically, it comes down to this, you're paying a premium for a whole different user experience that you can't get anywhere else, but apple products.

And people apprently don't mind paying that extra premium, they gladly pay for something that will enrich/enhance their enjoyment using their consumer devices (be it an DAP, a phone, a computer).

That's what Apple is really really awesome at. Premium at that.

Except, I sorta contradicted my statement with Apple's recent feature cut. Heheheh.
hidea at 2007-11-15 13:25:20 >
# 37 Re: Cant add new events to the iPod Touch calendar
I'd have to agree to everything he said. Basically, it comes down to this, you're paying a premium for a whole different user experience that you can't get anywhere else, but apple products.

And people apprently don't mind paying that extra premium, they gladly pay for something that will enrich/enhance their enjoyment using their consumer devices (be it an DAP, a phone, a computer).

That's what Apple is really really awesome at. Premium at that.

Except, I sorta contradicted my statement with Apple's recent feature cut. Heheheh.
Yes, that feature cut was annoying. Still, I don't mind playing around with some little hacks to make it do what I want it to do. :)
owen-b at 2007-11-15 13:26:23 >
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