It may just be osible to put a screen into the shuffle after all

It should just be a perfect square that you can touch, the whole front would be a screen. And all the screen would show is album art. Tap right/left to change, Slide/Hold right/left to FF/RR, tap center to pause/play, hold center to turn on/off.

No... What are you talking about? The reason is because it's suppose to be random. It could still be random with a screen. And adding a screen wouldn't make it any bigger.

XVI: adding a screen would be contrary to the Shuffle philosophy. You want a screen? Get a Nano. Simple as that.

I think this whole "it does'nt need a screen thing is insane to be honest... and I would'nt mind betting either the 3G will come with a screen or there will be an additional iPod between the shuffle and the nano....

I have said this before and will say it again and I really admire Apple for this as only they could make a player with such minimal parts and no screen - and make it so appealing and fashionable...

one more thought: "the shuffle is meant to be random" - why does this NEED to have NO screen ?

--I am a fan of the Shuffle and will be investing in one soon but I feel the best way woud be to have a option with screen (like the Creative Zen stone)

one more thought: "the shuffle is meant to be random" - why does this NEED to have NO screen ?

Because that's the core philosophy of the unit. It's a design aesthetic. The idea is that you already know what two or three albums worth of songs are on the thing. You don't need to see the names and artists. You aren't going to sort through a large library. All you're going to do is hit a play button and let the device do the rest. The whole idea behind Shuffle is simplicity. Adding a screen runs contrary to it's whole raison d'tre.

Life is Random was the motto. A screen completely destroys the entire point of the Shuffle. You aren't supposed to know what song is next, and its a clip and go. I don't want a product that will now be prone to scratching, that now isn't random at all (its neat when you figure out the artist or song 20 seconds in) and which will have less battery life than previously because of a screen. I am with Surf Monkey 400% on this one. The Shuffle was never made to have a screen, if you want one go get a Nano, because I highly doubt the Shuffle will ever get a screen because it was made to be without one.

One of the best parts about the Shuffle is that you can feel the ridges around the pause/play button so you know exactly where everything is... you couldn't do that with a screen. I'm with kylo4 and Surf 100000%.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about a simple concept that everyone here but you seems to have no trouble grasping.

Video doesn't really the user-friendliness of the Nano.
Screen on Shuffle will destroy the effectiveness and simpleness of it.

Eh, my Tivoli radio has a screen. And my clock radio. And so does my car radio...color screen actually. :confused:

And. So. Does. Most. Radios. You. (Might). Have. Seen. In. Stores. Or. In. People's. Home's. (?)

I'm not sure people are saying the shuffle needs video. I'm saying I didn't originally purchase it because I wanted a screen...I don't care what the name is meant for--I care what my needs are for.

Eh, my Tivoli radio has a screen. And my clock radio. And so does my car radio...color screen actually. :confused:

And. So. Does. Most. Radios. You. (Might). Have. Seen. In. Stores. Or. In. People's. Home's. (?)

I'm not sure people are saying the shuffle needs video. I'm saying I didn't originally purchase it because I wanted a screen...I don't care what the name is meant for--I care what my needs are for.

Okay, let's try and keep up here. Go back and re-read my post. What I said was add VIH-DEE-OH screens to radio. That was the scenario. Take a radio... add a VIDEO screen. Just like I said in the post. Know what a radio with a video screen is called? Yep! It's a tee vee.

Now, on your second point, I never said that Shuffle needs video. You REALLY ARE confused. What I said was that if you add a screen to Shuffle (not a video screen but a simple navigation screen like the old iPods), it stops being Shuffle, just like if you add video to a radio it stops being a radio.

Are we clear now? Again, this ain't rocket science. It's elementary really. You're making it a lot more difficult than you need to.

If you guys keep saying something "is never meant to have it", it definitely will.

It's like arguing with a tree stump.

No matter what you say, the fact of the matter is that Shuffle will never have a screen, just as radios will never have video. It's a simple concept that evidently you and XVI have no ability to understand. That's fine with me. You two can believe anything you want. The rest of us will maintain our grip on reality, thank you.

It's like arguing with a tree stump.

No matter what you say, the fact of the matter is that Shuffle will never have a screen, just as radios will never have video. It's a simple concept that evidently you and XVI have no ability to understand. That's fine with me. You two can believe anything you want. The rest of us will maintain our grip on reality, thank you.
Hmmmm, I disagree. (Call me a tree stump again and the fire comes out--you really don't know me, do you?)

Radios are an actual device that's been developed upon in history. A stone, have you.

The shuffle is an electronic TOY. It can have anything it wants!!!!! And yes, including a screen. Do you work for Apple? Do you know that the shuffle will never have a screen? Well, I don't work for Apple, and I can honestly say I don't know, but lots of things have happened in that corporation that "would never have been".

;)

Hmmmm, I disagree. (Call me a tree stump again and the fire comes out--you really don't know me, do you?)

Radios are an actual device that's been developed upon in history. A stone, have you.

The shuffle is an electronic TOY. It can have anything it wants!!!!! And yes, including a screen. Do you work for Apple? Do you know that the shuffle will never have a screen? Well, I don't work for Apple, and I can honestly say I don't know, but lots of things have happened in that corporation that "would never have been".

;)

This is easily the lamest thing I've ever read on iLounge.

This is easily the lamest thing I've ever read on iLounge.
You don't re-read your posts much, huh? :eek:

You don't re-read your posts much, huh? :eek:

"I know you are but what am I?"

That's your rebuttal? Wow. Just... wow.

I'm out. Have a nice evening. This "conversation" is going nowhere.

"I know you are but what am I?"

That's your rebuttal? Wow. Just... wow.

I'm out. Have a nice evening. This "conversation" is going nowhere.
Again, I can totally slam you, but (again), I am definitely holding off. You need to watch yourself. ;)

I can tell this thread will get closed down or edited anyway...

Well, this thread will stay in the archives..."kiddo"

;)

They weren't willing to sell it for $79 when it was first released. :confused:

But, yeah, you're right...it's entirely impossible that Apple would put a screen on the Shuffle. :rolleyes:

Now, I'm done.

"The new iPod Shuffle, clip and go...with a screen! Oh dammit my sweater/pocket/pants/bag/skin scratched the screen!"

Once again I'm with Surf Monkey 4 billion % to the power of 2 on this.

Surf Monkey, your not Steve Jobs, your predictions aren't facts. Remeber when you said "There will never be a browser on an iPod, it's not a PDA."

I wasn't going to mention that. :D

But again, no matter what, nobody knows what Apple has up their sleeves.

I don't remember Apple ever saying, "The Shuffle is not meant to have a screen." or "The Shuffle will never ever have a screen".

It's the wonderful "forecasters" on iLounge who of course know better. :rolleyes:

Ole'!

Look, I'm not going to go back and read your posts, well at least now. But I distinctivley remeber you saying the iPod won't ever have a browser, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who remebers this. Now, I'll check up on it later, you could be right. I honestly could see a screen on the shuffle, I really could. Out of curiousity do you see the iPod ever having a camera?

^^so now you are getting a good dose of your own medicine, this thread is so entertaining. Hope it doesn't stop.

^^so now you are getting a good dose of your own medicine, this thread is so entertaining. Hope it doesn't stop.

Not really. Sorry your fanboy bubble keeps getting broken. That's not my fault.

And in point of fact, you're the one following me from thread to thread and attempting to insult/silence me. Look in a mirror, chief. You may not like what you see.

That's an interesting statement. Why do you think Shuffle needs to be "refined" and or "improved"? There are lots of products out there that never change at all, and yet remain popular. Shuffle is an excellent device in its current form. It's very possible that it could continue to be exactly the same device you see to day for many years to come and never experience any drop in popularity. Sometimes a device achieves its ideal and attempts to "refine" or "improve" it actually degrade the value rather than increasing it. In other words, it's not a foregone conclusion that EVERY product needs to continue to evolve in order to be popular.

Well, it's a cut throat industry every company in the business is working to beat everyone else to bring out the best new product...

...lets forget the screen subject for a moment - I think that it is very doubtful we will see the exact same shuffle in 2-3 years time...

...the least they could do is improve the battery life.

I think that's a fair assessment. I can certainly see some minor changes... battery life, colors, capacity etc. for sure but probably not a major overhaul, at least not anytime soon.

Yeah, well I'm sure we will see improvements (battery etc) and we'll jut have to see if we see anything major (same model name or otherwise)... but that's why we're all here after all to specuate and see whats coming next :)

Don't taser him like those cops did Andrew Meyer.

LOL.

Post of the day.

:cool:

Not really. Sorry your fanboy bubble keeps getting broken. That's not my fault.

And in point of fact, you're the one following me from thread to thread and attempting to insult/silence me. Look in a mirror, chief. You may not like what you see.

How did you know I was a chief?

Sorry, I couldn't help it *points to signature*

Double LOL. Second greatest post of the day.

:p

Guess what I'm thinking now...:rolleyes:

That you need to go buy a sense of humor?

;)

No... you just take things to personal. Not to mention you often have to question someone's intelligence, and you always think your right. It gets old, fast. I'm not playing games with you, I'm just stating my theories that you are crapping on as if you have hardcore evidence.

No... you just take things to personal. Not to mention you often have to question someone's intelligence, and you always think your right. It gets old, fast. I'm not playing games with you, I'm just stating my theories that you are crapping on as if you have hardcore evidence.

Over react much?

I think it's evident on the face of it that the Shuffle's design aesthetic is such that a screen wouldn't make sense.

And really, if you want a tiny device with a screen, there are many available. The iRiver in particular has a super sexy little nub of a screened player that's about the size of a small stack of quarters. All I'm saying here is that Shuffle, by its very nature, is not intended to have a screen. If it were to be redesigned with a screen it would be an entirely different product.

Because that was funny...

It wouldn't be an entire different product, it's not like I'm proposing to add an new UI to the shuffle. I mean seriously, you can't even say the iPod video is an entirely different product compared to the 4G iPod yet alone just adding a screen to a 1GB iPod.

That you need to go buy a sense of humor?

;)

You need to buy some logic and common sense.

You need to buy some logic and common sense.

That was a real productive comment. Thanks for playing.

But the fact that its on shuffle means that you don't know whats coming next/need a screen to navigate to a specific song...with the main "feature" of this ipod being its randomness as you don't know whats coming next, thus called the ipod shuffle. And with apples "keep it simple", why introduce a screen on such a small device-in terms of size and storage? more to go wrong, less benefits. So no superducky, you are wrong.

That was a real productive comment. Thanks for playing.

^says the annoying "know it all". Back to you boy.

But the fact that its on shuffle means that you don't know whats coming next/need a screen to navigate to a specific song...with the main "feature" of this ipod being its randomness as you don't know whats coming next, thus called the ipod shuffle.

But this can still be done with an iPod that has a screen the difference being you can see the name of the song/artist battery meter song duration etc...

And with apples "keep it simple", why introduce a screen on such a small device-in terms of size and storage? more to go wrong, less benefits. So no superducky, you are wrong.

Less benefits ummm... it would have a SCREEN what is less beneficial about that ?

and don't give it the "screen woud get scratched" speil people who use Stick style MP3 players with screens dont seem to have a problem when the payer is hanging from their neck...

I am wrong... you would know having spoke to Apple themselves (and in particular Steve Jobs) ? Of course they are the only people who could possibly know what they are planning on doing... Remember this part of the forum is not for fact its for speculation... who's to say anyone is more or less correct ? (not you ;))

It woud be great if Apple brought out a player with a screen either the a shuffle style version or a version for in between shuffle and nano what a day that would be... at least this thread will be in the archives until then :D

Thanks Tom for being a part of this crazy arguement and showing us your fanboy opinion... would you like to play again ?:rolleyes:

But whats the point-more cost and complexity, so more to wrong. I've had sweat enter my ipod mini which killed it and i also know a few others at the gym who have similar "sweat" inflicted problems. The screen itself would be so tiny, how exactly do you imagine the stuff to be displayed-a few letters at a time?

It also keeps a fairly distinct "distance" between the shuffle and the nano, so there's a clear difference in what ipod is right for you.

and please tell me in what way im a fanboy?...not really part of the crazy arguement either seeing as your the one drawing it out...and my first post on this thread was on page 5...

:rolleyes:

what ? is it called "iPod with out a screen" ? No !?

Can't a nano or classic be set to shuffle music... after all shuffle is the MP3 players setting (which can be turned off might I add) therefore coudnt they add a iPod simmilar to the shuffle that includes a screen ?

I can't believe this has turned into such an arguement... isnt this part of the forum about speculation ? and therefore no ones necessarily correct or wrong ? :rolleyes:

Thank god someone knows what they're talking about.

oh and the fanboy opinion bit aswell please? Because I like the shuffle as it is that makes me a fanboy?!

:D :D (lol)

Just reallied that superducky was the OP, thought it was XVI, so yeah you have been on this thread from the start!! no wonder your arguing your point, but honestly, i doubt the shuffle will get a screen....

Thank god someone knows what they're talking about.

The fact that people disagree with you doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talking about, just that they come to different conclusions than you do.

interesting point made on the link you posted surfmonkey

I don't think that the product concept would have been created without the lack of screen.

If it had a screen from the start, perhaps like a basic version of the 1st gen iPod nano then they wouldn't have needed to create the shuffle branding.

I expect that a cheap iPod nano will replace it. I don't see Apple introducing another iPod with a screen, but one that can't do video.

Why havent apple already put in a screen as it has been possible? Would the shuffle the have an OS or simply be a display of song etc?

theres lots more of these questions when you add a screen, and if you did, it would no longer be an ipod shuffle

What's asinine is that people accuse others of "knowing what Apple is going to do" when they've been careful, just as everyone else has, to point out that they're speculating. Everyone in this thread is speculating. Continually going to the "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT APPLE IS GOING TO DO" card is just counter productive. We already know that everyone is just speculating.

So you have not even read the original post and yet you think you know what your talking about.... Yeah ok

anyway doubting is different from knowing... I don't know anymore than you know but yet that does'nt make one of us more right or wrong than the last.....

You really should learn in future to put your point accorss better and not accuse someone of being wrong when you know nothing more that the person your accusing...

Doood. Why don't you just get off his back and continue on with the discussion?

ok superducky it seems you just have this incapability of accepting criticism to your "design"...

ok superducky it seems you just have this incapability of accepting criticism to your "design"...

Tom there is a clear difference between being criticised and being told your wrong... if you can't tell the difference then that's your problem not mine...

and not once did i call that my design I said that woud be a possibility or something simmilar... and it may either be the only player or in addition to the shuffle....

EDIT:

But I know the ipod shuffle wont get a screen

Here it's goes again :rolleyes:

Anyway you *think* it wont get a screen... even if the chances were very very slim of them producing a player simmilar to the shuffle with screen... you still don't know for certain what Apple are going to do...

no, no ,

i know it wont have a screen

why?

because..

i can feel it in my fingers, i feel it in my toes, love is all around us.. la lala lala

*Yawn*

No but really, you just cant let this go can you?

You are the one tht keeps coming back and posting in this thread again...

Your design isnt very good, but it is possible to do it but then why haven't apple already done it??

Why did'nt they make the first iPod shuffle smaller... why why why...
I don't know... Money ? there may be a lot of factors involved...

Why did they change the colours? Only Apple knows

the technology and resources have been there for ages ...

Yes, very good ! As has a lot of products Apple have not been first to use lol Archos have been churning out larger screen players for a while now yet Apple has only just brought out the touch...

the updated colour scheme hints towards little change in the foreseeable future and again whats the point?

DId I decide that ? - then how would I know ?

As you say you want a screen, most people do if its going to be there only DAP so they are pushed towards the more expensive models..By introducing a screen they are making more expense for themselves-in both production and after market,as more is likely to go wrong. the screen compromises the ease of use aswell, it takes up space and is tiny. It also hogs battery life..

...but that's why people want options the option of a small iPod with screen or without ... they may persuade people to buy a bigger iPod because the shuffle doesnt have a screen but really what's to stop them from just buying a *cheaper* Branded MP3 player with more storage and a screen ?

in this case apple know best, i doubt your a product designer in one of the best design teamin the world-no you're not, your a business studies student, interestingly enough because from a business prospective this doesn't look all too promising.

Yeah, it's all about progress maybe we will see a option with screen in the future maybe not... who knows (only apple)...

no your the one who keeps comnig back and posting on this thread....

It's my thread and you are asking questions and having a discussion So now I have'nt to reply ?

you intially started it by commenting on my comment.

Well actually then that would be classed as you starting "it" by commenting in the first place - it would have been ignorant to not reply to your post !


Oh and quoting everything i say, then nitpicking it,

Again when your asking questions I like to answer them bit by bit....

that will get you nowhere, on here or in real life...good luck on the apprentice buddy.

ha ha ha, yeah and good luck with your big important job at apple - you obviously have a lot of responsibility when you can "KNOW" what they are going to release...

P.s What's the point in starting a thread if you're not going to accept other peoples p.o.v's or opinions? and instead just argue with them?

it's different if you had put your point across in a better manner instead of "No, superducky you are wrong"

Ok, I don't see this conversation getting anywhere near necessary lets leave the thread to expire and be archived...

no me niether,

lol, again with your nitpicking you managed to find the word know out of like a couple of hundred words. And you're not even at uni yet so i apologize, the apprentice will be long over when you graduate/if you.

ha ha ha, so now that you've managed to tell me that im nitpicking and that I'm not at UNI (wow your Psychic ! :rolleyes: )

Shall we leave this ?

i dont really care, he clearly cant accept other peoples opinions. and obviosuly loves the last word...just wait

tick tock tick tock

Ps not physic looked in your profile! :rolleyes:

You're both being children IMO. There's nothing wrong with picking each other apart but the personal stuff is never fun to read.

I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has become I really don't.

and where the personal stuff came from I don't know but seriously... it's came from a decent discussion about the actual topic to personal attacks... Unneccessary.

I aagree that putting a screen into the Shufle would go against its philosophy, but I also wouldn't put it past them to put one in.

When the 1G Nanos came out, I remember posts on iLounge saying that that was everything the Shuffle should've been...I gues people wanted a screen. Then around 6 months later Apple released a 1GB Nano becaue people wanted a lower capacity version. I thought that wouldd be the end of the Shuffle for sure, but then the 2G's came out.

The iPod Touch also floored me. I didn't think Apple would put out a "phoneless iPhone" so soon after the iPhone came out, but I guess people wanted it. The iPhone only came out in June. I can see wy people would say that they don't want to switch to AT&T to get an iPhone, but I thought part of the point of the iPhone was to get people to switch...I figured there'd be enough Apple loyalists that would do that.

So, I've been wrong before...

They probably gave up on this part of the forums long ago -- it's expected afterall. God forbid people have their own opinions that we aren't allowed to crush. :)