Why ipod classic?
Why would apple still make the ipod classic anyway? I think they should get rid of it and make the ipod touch with 160 gig instead. They can do it, they are smart.
# 1 Re: Why ipod classic?
We've discussed this before.
The design aesthetic of Touch/iPhone is focused on thinness. Adding a big drive to it would compromise that core design. Classic exists to cater to a different market.
# 2 Re: Why ipod classic?
I owned a touch for a few days and it made me wish I had my classic back (I sold my 3Gen 20Gig) so I took my touch back and got a 80Gig classic. I love it.
# 3 Re: Why ipod classic?
I hate touch-screen controls. I like metal. I am also this "smart" you typed of...
# 4 Re: Why ipod classic?
They can do it, they are smart.
U sound like those fat aliens in an episode of STTNG, he's smart... he can make us go!
Apparently not everybody is enamored of the touch as u do.
# 5 Re: Why ipod classic?
Not everybody likes touch screen players. They aren't all they are cracked up to be.
I realise the ipod touch has a glass screen and is probably fairly resilient, but having used my IPAQ 4700 as stand in mp3 player, I personally wouldn't feel safe having such a delicate device as my primary mp3 player.
Plus like surf monkey said, the touch is all about the thinness. If they put a 160GB hard drive in there which I guess are 8mm thick (double platter 1.8" drives are 8mm thick) there would have to be some kind of give with the thickness of the player. A touch screen is more complicated than a normal LCD and the screen is bigger than the classics too.
sebulr at 2007-11-15 12:14:28 >

# 6 Re: Why ipod classic?
Not everybody likes touch screen players. They aren't all they are cracked up to be.
I realise the ipod touch has a glass screen and is probably fairly resilient, but having used my IPAQ 4700 as stand in mp3 player, I personally wouldn't feel safe having such a delicate device as my primary mp3 player.
Plus like surf monkey said, the touch is all about the thinness. If they put a 160GB hard drive in there which I guess are 8mm thick (double platter 1.8" drives are 8mm thick) there would have to be some kind of give with the thickness of the player. A touch screen is more complicated than a normal LCD and the screen is bigger than the classics too.
Be careful there, I have a iPod touch and like it a whole lot more than my returned 160GB iPod classic. The reason why I liked it better: the unit is thinner, I just listen to a best of playlist anyway so there is no need for me to carry around my entire lossy library, and it really is the future of iPods. I always said that Apple would be moving to a PDA design with the iPods and here is the first step.
The iPod touch is for a totally different market though. It is for people who want the absolute best but are willing to sacrifice price and capacity. Apple would of really had to change the design schemes of the iPod touch though in order to fit in a 160GB hard drive. I would have preferred that but the iPod touch would of been way too thick as the hard drive would be thicker and Apple would need to include a much bigger battery to compensate for the hard drive. Overall, the unit probably would have been just as thick as a 1G iPod and that just can't happen as Apple is always about making products thinner. Each generation iPod is always thinner than the previous (even if it is 0.05 mm thinner), making a thicker iPod would be like taking a step back design wise. Hence, if you want a 160GB iPod touch, you are in for a long ### wait as the iPod touch is always going to use flash memory and it is damned expensive.
# 7 Re: Why ipod classic?
touch sensitive surfaces are the future, look at microsoft surface
# 8 Re: Why ipod classic?
touch sensitive surfaces are the future, look at microsoft surface
Somebody said the same thing about the membrane keyboard.
# 9 Re: Why ipod classic?
touch sensitive surfaces are the future, look at microsoft surface
"Surface" is an over priced coffee table. That sh1te ain't the future, son.
# 10 Re: Why ipod classic?
"The Future" is what consumers will make of it, not manufacturers.
# 11 Re: Why ipod classic?
"The Future" is what consumers will make of it, not manufacturers.
Right but if you look at the trend, touchscreen devices are going to become bigger parts of our lives. PDA's have long been touchscreen and now digital cameras, portable gaming devices, cellphones, and iPods are all moving towards that direction. I have a Sony digital camera with a touchscreen and it is nice, Sony has sine introduced many more models have a touchscreen. The Nintendo DS has shown us that having a touchscreen is a innovative way to game when on the go. Many cellphones are now coming out with touchscreens like the iPhone, other PDA-like cellphones, and even some new non-PDA-like Motorolla cellphones now have touchscreens. The iPod touch is also the future of iPods as Apple will be moving towards a PDA-like device with the iPod. The iPhone has proven successful and the iPod touch is proving to be quite successful as well. Every store I have been to is sold out and no longer has any units. They sell out days after receiving shipments of 10 or more units.
Apple will eventually phase out the ever popular hardware clickwheel and go with complete touchscreen controls. Even notebooks are moving towards touchscreens as tablet PCs are very popular. So consumers are showing that the demand for touchscreens is there, now the manufacturers have to start offering these products.
# 12 Re: Why ipod classic?
touch sensitive surfaces are the future, look at microsoft surface
They may be the future but they are not in my future. My job involves driving 8 hours a day and using my 160GB Classic is so simple to use, I don't even have to look at it to pause or skip a track. With a classic, you have to hold it in your hand and look at it, almost impossible and definately not safe to do while driving.
I have an iPhone that I originally purchased to use in the car but I don't for all the above reasons. That's when I also got the Classic.
# 13 Re: Why ipod classic?
Apple will eventually phase out the ever popular hardware clickwheel and go with complete touchscreen controls.
Maybe so, but Apple has a LONG way to go to make the touch screen interface as simple and intuitive as the click wheel interface. Flash doesn't always mean better. Apple used to understand that fact. Now, I'm not so sure they do.
# 14 Re: Why ipod classic?
Sorry touch screen although neat on a PMP (portable media player) is not the future..the design characteristics don't make it optimal for audio specifically.
Not everyone wants to pull it out of their pocket to change songs, at least the classic you can feel for the button.
They shouldn't get rid of the classic, but I think they should have at least increased the size of the screen to 3" by flipping it sideways.
The iPod Touch is the least interesting model to me, I'd take a shuffle, nano or a classic over it any day. I don't care what anyone else says the click wheel is still the fastest way to browse a music library.
# 15 Re: Why ipod classic?
I actually own an iPhone, a 160GB classic, and an 8GB nano, so I can certainly attest that they cater to different needs and styles of use...
The issue is really quite simple, IMHO:
The iPod classic is a high-capacity audio player that provides some video playback capabilities, which are mostly leverages through the "TV Out" feature. However, it's targeted at those who want to carry around a lot of content with them, and are primarily focused on audio playback. I personally use my iPod classic quite heavily when I'm traveling, since those are the times when I want a lot of content with me.
The iPod nano (video) fits a similar bill in that it's primarily audio-focused with the ability to dabble in a bit of video. It's targeted at somebody who wants small/thin audio player, or is looking for a workout device. I use it mostly for workouts, and walking/running with the Nike+ kit.
The iPod touch/iPhone are targeted at those who demand a bit more in terms of features like browsing and WiFi, and have a stronger interest in video playback capabilities. Somebody who is focused primarily on listening to music and other forms of audio will probably find the iPod touch or iPhone to be a less than optimal device, as the control system does not really facilitate efficient use as an audio player. On the other hand, the screen is absolutely gorgeous for portable video, and the capacity even at 8GB is reasonable for somebody who is at their computer every night (ie, a daily commute), since smart playlists can be used to organize the video content pretty effectively. As a phone, my iPhone is the device that's with me all the time, and unless I'm traveling, tends to be the only device I carry, as there's enough capacity for a few songs, podcasts, audiobooks, and a couple of episodes of whatever TV series I'm following.
# 16 Re: Why ipod classic?
The iPod touch/iPhone are targeted at those who demand a bit more in terms of features like browsing and WiFi, and have a stronger interest in video playback capabilities.
I agree with all you said in your post. The problem is that you are correct in stating that the iPod touch is targeted to those who want more video. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but for me, an average video is between 1.5GB - 2.0GB in size. If you put 2-3 videos on an 8GB touch, it only leaves minimal room for audio content. To me - because of the limitation in memory size - the touch doesn't do a very good job satisfying a user who is in the market for a video or an audio player. 16GB may have been an improvement, but I believe it really needs to be minimally 32GB.
# 17 Re: Why ipod classic?
I prefer the music side of things and not the video. I mostly use my ipod for the gym and running. I have no time to watch movies.
# 18 Re: Why ipod classic?
The iPod classic is a high-capacity audio player that provides some video playback capabilities, which are mostly leverages through the "TV Out" feature. However, it's targeted at those who want to carry around a lot of content with them, and are primarily focused on audio playback. I personally use my iPod classic quite heavily when I'm traveling, since those are the times when I want a lot of content with me.
Exceptionally well said. In answer to the OP's question, that's exactly why I chose the Classic this time around. I loved my iRiver H320, but the Classic offered exactly what I've been wanting in the first place: a metal housing, great sound quality, great build quality, gapless playback, the ability to use a lossless format (if I want to do so in the future), and strong accessory support. If it were only drag-n-drop with an easy to use (i.e. non-proprietary) line-out with optical outs and line-in, it would be my perfect DAP...and I'd hafta marry it. :D
So yeah...that's why iPod Classic...for me, anyway...
# 19 Re: Why ipod classic?
I agree with all you said in your post. The problem is that you are correct in stating that the iPod touch is targeted to those who want more video. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but for me, an average video is between 1.5GB - 2.0GB in size. If you put 2-3 videos on an 8GB touch, it only leaves minimal room for audio content.
It's definitely a trade-off, but realistically you're also referring to the size of the average movie. Even 640x480 video content should be around 500MB/HR at a reasonable bit-rate, so even with 8GB, you're going to be able to get 2-3 hours of video playback and still have more than enough room for a basic music library.
Again, if you look at it as a device that you would use on a daily commute, and sync to iTunes every night, it's really not that bad. Granted you don't have the flexibility of choice (ie, have a large selection of content so you can decide at the time what you want to watch), but it does hold more than enough content for the average person to consume on a daily basis if you plan ahead a bit, and especially if you're watching video content in a more serial fashion.
For example, I tend to use it for video podcasts and TV shows. In that context, the podcasts basically manage themselves on each sync, and for TV shows I just use a series of smart playlists to keep a few episodes queued up. With the smart playlist method, each night when I sync, those episodes that I've watched are removed, and the next episodes are transferred. Therefore, each morning I have fresh, unwatched video content ready-to-go.
To me - because of the limitation in memory size - the touch doesn't do a very good job satisfying a user who is in the market for a video or an audio player. 16GB may have been an improvement, but I believe it really needs to be minimally 32GB.
Well, to be fair, "enough" is often just 1GB more than you already have... :)
In reality, I imagine that due to the price of flash memory, Apple had to make certain compromises when designing the touch. They certainly could have produced a 32GB model, but it likely would have been priced beyond what most people were willing to pay... Selling 100,000 16GB units at $399 is far better than selling 10,000 at $599.
