Just retagged 5700 mp3s
I just finished retagging 5700 mp3. What a marathon. Even with Tag & Rename it took forever. That was only ID3V1, I shall do V2 tomorrow. They take heaps longer too.
What does the ipod use? V1 or V2 ?
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petal666] at [2007-11-9 19:44:44]

# 1 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
I believe it uses V2...
# 2 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
How long did that take?
# 3 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Well it only took 2 hours but a lot of them already had the correct tags. However some of my way old mp3's were named in correctly even so that took a while to fix. My current standard is
Artist - Album/ Artist - Track# - Track Name.mp3 or
Various Artists - Album/ Track# - Artists - Track Name.mp3
Id3 V1 are fine as they add the tag to the end of the file so it doesn't take any time to add them, but v2 has the tag at the front, so if there is no tag at all it has to write the tag at the front and then shift the mp3 along a bit. So it basically has top rewrite the whole mp3 which takes a while when you have 10's of gigs.
I'm guessing a lot of my older mp3's don't have v2 tags so it could take abit of time. Unfortunately I can't just select the whole lot and so a batch rename as my compilation and artist albums are named differently. Likewise I can't just copy from v1 tags as they have a length limit and don't get all the title or album in sometimes.
I'm going to start on v2 tags now, I'll see how it takes.
# 4 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
You do know that in iTunes you can select all your music, go to ADVANCED > CONVERT ID3 TAGS and select whatever tag version you want. iTunes will then update all the tags to the selected version for you automatically. I do this about once a month with my whole library to make sure everything matches.
You can't edit the flies in that manner, but if you have ID3 V1 tags, iTunes will convert them all to ID3 V2.4 for you.
baggss at 2007-11-15 14:07:28 >

# 5 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
I don't have itunes and I have finished now. V2 tags were in good shape.
# 6 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
I spent nigh on 4 days solid retagging my lame 3000 mp3 collection because most of the tages were useless,,, its amazing the number of different ways you can spell 2pac hahaha
# 7 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
hmm... I can only think of one: Backspace.
kidding!
god, it took me hours to do like 300 (I was watching the Super Bowl...and Janet D:)
hobo at 2007-11-15 14:10:32 >

# 8 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Man, I hope you guys used some sort of tagging program.
I use ID3-TagIT 3 and I tagged 2000+ mp3s in around 5 minutes.
hov at 2007-11-15 14:11:24 >

# 9 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Just a point of clarification, in reality the iPod itself doesn't use tags at all. The uploading program you use uses tags. So, for example, iTunes uses tags to get the inforomation on the files to populate its database...then it uses those values to populate the iPod's database..
Minor point, but important.
Personally, I delete all V1 tags from my tunes. No real need to have them since they are so old and not used by many apps any more.
Adam
# 10 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
i believe in winamp you can just copy from id tag V1 to V2 and vice versa automatically
# 11 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Though I do generally prefer iTunes over Musicmatch, musicmatch did have one good feature. supertagging.
It could automatically tag heaps of mp3's from the internet (like CDDB i think) and could also guess tags from the filename. It was generally pretty accurate.
This may be worth a look before any of you manually tag heaps of mp3s again. (don't know if it comes for mac, but you could always use virtual PC.)
# 12 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Originally posted by someone_162
Though I do generally prefer iTunes over Musicmatch, musicmatch did have one good feature. supertagging.
It could automatically tag heaps of mp3's from the internet (like CDDB i think) and could also guess tags from the filename. It was generally pretty accurate.
This may be worth a look before any of you manually tag heaps of mp3s again. (don't know if it comes for mac, but you could always use virtual PC.)
Agreed. I recently retagged 10G of stuff that, umm, somehow appeared on my hard drive. Musicmatch made it tolerable. Currently, when I get a new CD, I wash thru LAME, then Musicmatch to tag, then iTunes to manage/listen.
# 13 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
i'm currently retagging all 4800 songs using iTunes just by clicking on the info of each or multiple songs. it then creates all folders and renames the file names automatically and i'm pretty sure i'm getting the idv tags done at the same time.
is this correct?
# 14 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
I have spent a good amount of time retagging my mp3s using mmjukebox. everything looks fine in my library AND in my mp3 tags when I open the files. but as listed in my portable device, the tags are all still screwy. my ipod hasn't recognized any of the changes made to the files. how can i refresh it to do that, if it's even possibe? when I saved a file locally, deleted it from the ipod, then reloaded it onto the ipod, it finally accepted the new info. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT FOR 9 GIGS OF MUSIC!! HELP!
k
p.s. I spent all of last weekend reloading my music with volume leveling and enhancement, which took forever. That's why I don't want to have to reload it all again. If I do though, are the files already altered and leveled so I can uncheck those options for a faster upload?
Originally posted by ashawley
Just a point of clarification, in reality the iPod itself doesn't use tags at all. The uploading program you use uses tags. So, for example, iTunes uses tags to get the inforomation on the files to populate its database...then it uses those values to populate the iPod's database..
Minor point, but important.
Personally, I delete all V1 tags from my tunes. No real need to have them since they are so old and not used by many apps any more.
Adam
# 15 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Did you reimport the files to the iPod to update the tags? They won't just show up on their own.
baggss at 2007-11-15 14:18:37 >

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I tried changing them directly on my IPOD initially. The change took place in the file, but wasn't reflected in the IPOD. What I finally ended up doing was deleting on the files on my IPOD, then synching with my "library" made from the backup files on my local drive. That made the changes show up in the IPOD finally.
I like MM Jukebox, but it has limitations with the IPOD. This was one of them. Also, when I tried to delete a couple of mp3s using MMJ, it left remnants of the files in the IPOD that I ended up having to restore to finally remove. Live and learn I guess...
# 17 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Your all clinically insane.
Why not use a program with CDDB/freeDB capability like Mp3Tag www.mp3tag.de (i think), you load the files and it will rename the actual files and the ID3 tags automatically from the CD database.
Therefore you can rename an album in around 5-10 seconds. And dont have to edit a single detail.
# 18 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
i think you missed the point in the original post dude... we know we can tag the files easily. it's about getting IPOD to recognize the new tags, which you have to do by deleting the file on IPOD then reloading it again. can't do it in IPOD using MMJ and have it recognize automatically.
# 19 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
While that would make sense if I was strictly ripping from my own CDs, that is not always the case. A lot of the music I "obtain" often comes poorly tagged or not at all. Also I limit myself to a few Genres to help manage my collection. The results from CDDB can vary wildly on a single album depending on how the up-loaders chose to set the information fields.
I use a Mac program (MP3 Rage) that has this feature, but the results from the CDDB database are usually poor, often unreliable and sometimes downright wrong. As I "obtain" each album I do a mass tagging with MP3 Rage and ensure all the fields are set as I desire them. I then use the same program to mass rename the actual files to match my chosen filing system. At best this is a fully automated system (depending on the preexisting tags), usually semi-automated process (maybe 60% automated) and at worst a mostly manual process.
The only good thing is, once you get a filing system established, it's easy to maintain. I had to catch up on my ID3 tags when iTunes came out, but my collection consisted of less that 1500 songs at the time, so it wasn't a huge challenge.
baggss at 2007-11-15 14:22:40 >

# 20 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
on iTunes what are the difference between the versions of tagging?
bov at 2007-11-15 14:23:42 >

# 21 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
I think the only real difference is the amount and types of data you can enter. V2 hold more and more detailed data than V1.
baggss at 2007-11-15 14:24:39 >

# 22 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
oh ok , thanks
bov at 2007-11-15 14:25:37 >

# 23 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Originally posted by ashawley
Just a point of clarification, in reality the iPod itself doesn't use tags at all. The uploading program you use uses tags. So, for example, iTunes uses tags to get the information on the files to populate its database...then it uses those values to populate the iPod's database..
Minor point, but important.
Adam
No. This stuff fascinates me.
What is the database it uses? Is it a flat-file or an Relational DB?
I'd love to know as much as possible about the iPod software.
Where can I learn more?
# 24 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Well, there is this ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321223713/qid=1082994399/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-8785803-5363944?v=glance&s=books) book. Not sure how good it is though...
baggss at 2007-11-15 14:27:48 >

# 25 Re: Just retagged 5700 mp3s
Wow, 5700...nicely done!! Wanna do mine while you're at it :)