Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
I dont know about you guys but I sure do miss CD-quality audio. Since I got my iPod, I use my computer through iTuens as my personal stereo and now buy through the itunes music store (128 AAC). My friend was over and had his portable cd player with him with the new Incubus album in it. I also had purchases the same cd through itunes. I took a quick listen on his cd, and then quickly whipped out my iPod, to compare. and WOW. what a differnce. CD quality has to be 10x better than that of my iPod. and to note: my friend was using normal sony headphones which came with his cd player..
ANyone else feel this way??
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beeter522] at [2007-11-9 17:45:40]

# 1 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
If you really miss it that much why don't you re-rip all your songs as WAV files. This way, you can still carry tons of music (maybe not all your music if you encode in WAV, but still more than a CD player) and you have the best quality. I, for one, don't miss CD quality; I rip at 192 kbps and can't really notice any big difference. Maybe my ears just aren't sensitive enough, but I like it that way. This way I can fit all of my music on my iPod and suffer no quality loss. :)
Chelce at 2007-11-15 14:07:57 >

# 2 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Or even better yet, rip to 320 kps and set your EQ to Jazz. Jazz doesn't distor the sound because it minimally raises the bass. Acoustic also sounds pretty good (I have only tested this on 80's metal; Alice Cooper, Motley Crue...)
Deaf at 2007-11-15 14:08:59 >

# 3 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
im not that sad i cant tell the difference at all on 256 ACC compared to a CD.
but when i listen to anything below 160 ACC the difference is quiet noticeable to me. i dont like Mp3's anymore, acc sounds like the music has so much more body. but maybe thats just my mind playing tricks on me.
i am also really upset about the itunes mucis store. they should let you download at least in 192 kbps in ACC. :mad:
pnrgi at 2007-11-15 14:09:57 >

# 4 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
CD's?
What are those things again?
OHHHH I remember... It's that ancient means of transmitting music to the ears...
Do I miss them?
NO! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
192 KBPS MP3
+iPod
=HEAVEN!!!
At 192kbps, you can't go wrong. I see little to no difference between my iPod audio and my old CD player, rotting in a drawer to the left of my desk. Not satisfied? Make em' 320kbps. Unnecessary for me, but hey, you might want that quality.
iJman at 2007-11-15 14:11:03 >

# 5 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
I burn all of mine at 160 kbps, and I can't notice a lick of difference.
rc-86 at 2007-11-15 14:12:01 >

# 6 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
The quality you were probably hearing was the larger driver on your friends headphones. Next time plug his headphones into your ipod and see if you can still tell that much difference. Also remember to turn off your EQ on your ipod and any bass enhancer on the cd player.
slease at 2007-11-15 14:13:00 >

# 7 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
I can't tell the difference. I'm so happy with my iPod, I do not miss lugging around all my cds and cd player there so bulky compared to the iPod and to me the same sound quality.
# 8 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
i have a couple Doors mp3s that are ripped at 1411 kbps. They're massive so i only have like 3 of them but i don't notice that much of a difference from 128 that i'm usually at.
# 9 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
You can't do a test with two players and two sets of headphones...you can only have one variable. Use the same pair of headphones, and then have someone do a blind test, plugging from one to the other, sometimes back into the same, to see if you can really tell. I know I can't; but to me music is music, so a 128 MP3 is just fine for me.
Tlak at 2007-11-15 14:16:07 >

# 10 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Even with .wav files the iPod cant match a CD discman for audio quality.
I sure miss high-quality audio (hell, I miss Zen NX quality audio!) but its easy to go without when you gain the luxury of having your whole CD collection with you at all times.:)
# 11 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by Christophe167
i have a couple Doors mp3s that are ripped at 1411 kbps. They're massive so i only have like 3 of them but i don't notice that much of a difference from 128 that i'm usually at.
Er, I don't think you ripped that high. Considering mp3 only goes to 320k ;)
Adam
# 12 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
i think the sound quality with lame at 192 is pretty good, and i'm using the apple earphones, although i bought a coldplay album from itunes(i love itunes!!) and the sound was very very good, but i rather have everything in my pocket than a cd player and crap load of cds that scratches easily
# 13 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by ashawley
Er, I don't think you ripped that high. Considering mp3 only goes to 320k ;)
Adam
================================================== =====================
free format bitstreams
================================================== =====================
--freeformat
LAME will produce a fixed bitrate, free format bitstream.
User must specify the desired bitrate in kbps, which can
be any integer between 8 and 640.
Not supported by most decoders. Complient decoders (of which there
are few) are only required to support up to 320 kbps.
Not over 1000, but still more then 320 ;)
Adam at 2007-11-15 14:20:10 >

# 14 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
That's why I won't buy stuff from the iTunes store. You pay about the same amount of money for a lesser product.
# 15 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
There is always some trade off. Carrying 5000 songs in your pocket vs. superior audio quality. You just have to determine what is best for you.
ejd142 at 2007-11-15 14:22:10 >

# 16 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by ashawley
Er, I don't think you ripped that high. Considering mp3 only goes to 320k ;)
Adam
"raw" .wav files play back on winamp, e.g., at 1411kbs. The other person who responded about free form mp3 rates is talking about something else. The op did not apply compression.
# 17 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
well i didn't rip them, i just pulled them off some russian site that I couldn't read. All I know is that when I play them in MMJB, it says 1141 kbs.
# 18 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by wickerbill
You pay about the same amount of money for a lesser product.
I agree, but I still use the store. I would rather pay 99? for a single song that I don't want to buy a cd for. The quality is good enough for me with these single songs.
For example, I just used a pepsi cap to get Cream- Crossroads. I don't really like Cream enough to buy a CD. So, for 99? I get the song I do like. Its not CD quality by any means but in this case, I really don't care. Its a fun song that I like hearing on my iPod occasionally.
My hope is that as technology improves [storage space, drive read times, battery life, internet speeds, popularity of online music stores] we'll start to see higher quality songs for sale. It took certain technolgical advancements in order for music to go digital in the first place, so I think its safe to say that full quality files will happen soon enough.
MikeM at 2007-11-15 14:25:15 >

# 19 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
the Rio players have excellent sound quality and all the newer ones ship with sennheiser ear buds that KILL the ones on the iPod...and their two bigger ones (1.5 GB and 20GB) support FLAC and Ogg formats, so you CAN get CD-quality sound on them...
and MikeM, "certain technological advancements" aren't needed at all to change the encoding standard on iTMS to 192 or 320 quality. In fact, it would be extremely easy for them to offer at the download location an option for free to download the higher-quality versions with the understanding that they create bigger files and take more player space.
If the iPod can handle a 320 KB/sec stream or two, then there is no logical reason for this limitation other than "because we don't want to"
It's just how apple works...
BenO at 2007-11-15 14:26:13 >

# 20 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
I'm not talking about 320. I'm talking about buying CD's digitally online. No compression of the source. And a player that can handle of those large files with at least 10 hours battery.
And a nice PDF with the cover art you can print. :)
MikeM at 2007-11-15 14:27:15 >

# 21 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
It sounds the same to me.
Also, "CD Quality" is overrated. It certainly gets better than that, although with the money I am currently making, I can't say that I am interested in pursuing anything better.
And... let us *please* consider that higher quality files equal larger file sizes, which requires more space on the servers, and in turn more servers or hard drives or whatever to host them, and lastly more bandwith to transmit the files... which in turn would require more money, I would think. If Apple is already losing money on iTunes, they are not about to lose a whole lot more because a niche market (yes, there are not very many of you even though you think there are) is so picky that they want higher bitrates or no compression at all. If they were to go through with something like that on iTunes, you'd be looking at paying more than .99 a song, probably a lot more, but in that case it would not be economical for buyers, and quite frankly I personally am not interested in quartering or halving my iPod's capacity by having higher bitrates, ecspecially when it requires even more expensive headphones, a quiet room and steady concentration to even discern the tiny differances between bitrates. Everyone, please take a look around... the market is just not there for the kind of money that I am sure would be involved.
# 22 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by monkedsel
It sounds the same to me.
Also, "CD Quality" is overrated. It certainly gets better than that, although with the money I am currently making, I can't say that I am interested in pursuing anything better.
And... let us *please* consider that higher quality files equal larger file sizes, which requires more space on the servers, and in turn more servers or hard drives or whatever to host them, and lastly more bandwith to transmit the files... which in turn would require more money, I would think. If Apple is already losing money on iTunes, they are not about to lose a whole lot more because a niche market (yes, there are not very many of you even though you think there are) is so picky that they want higher bitrates or no compression at all. If they were to go through with something like that on iTunes, you'd be looking at paying more than .99 a song, probably a lot more, but in that case it would not be economical for buyers, and quite frankly I personally am not interested in quartering or halving my iPod's capacity by having higher bitrates, ecspecially when it requires even more expensive headphones, a quiet room and steady concentration to even discern the tiny differances between bitrates. Everyone, please take a look around... the market is just not there for the kind of money that I am sure would be involved.
This is exactly my point- that in the future those issues you mentioned won't exist. Space and bandwidth issues will disappear.
In 1995, the idea of having 40gb of music that you downloaded from the internet was pretty much impossible. There was no market for it. But technology moved ahread and a market was created. Now let's see what things are like in another 5-10 years...
MikeM at 2007-11-15 14:29:24 >

# 23 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by MikeM
This is exactly my point- that in the future those issues you mentioned won't exist. Space and bandwidth issues will disappear.
In 1995, the idea of having 40gb of music that you downloaded from the internet was pretty much impossible. There was no market for it. But technology moved ahread and a market was created. Now let's see what things are like in another 5-10 years...
I'm betting 10 years. ;)
# 24 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
i'll bet you three pepsi itune songs!
# 25 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Maybe I am just deaf at 20 from all the shows I've been too, but I cant tell the difference between a 192kbs MP3 and a CD. So unless you have super hearing...I think these arguments are extremely redundant...and I think aac is overrated. I prefer to safeguard my collection by using mp3s, so if 5-10 years down the road the iPod is replaced by something better thats not Apple..I wont have to convert from AAC.
"if it's been done before, keep trying"
# 26 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
"I cant tell the difference between a 192kbs MP3 and a CD"
Now try that CD in a CD player and compare it to the MP3 playing in your iPod.
# 27 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
If you do it blinded, with equipment that most people have, ie. not overpriced 'audiophile' stuff, and you haven't got 300 silly adjectives that you use for sound alone, then you probably won't at all notice the difference.
Adam at 2007-11-15 14:34:24 >

# 28 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
In order to tell the difference between, say 192k and a CD quality audio, you at least need the two factors below :
1. Good recording quality of the CD
2. Good quality of your headphone/earplug
To tell the truth, I can't tell the difference between 192k & CD wav file by using the earplug that comes with iPod, or by using, say, Sony EX70LP etc. You also won't notice much difference if you are listening bad recording quality CD. But I do notice there is obvious difference when using ety er4p or Shure e5c earplug, while listening, say, Diana Krall's Live in Paris.
But if you are already satisfied with your current settings, just ignore them, and happy iPoding.
# 29 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by Christophe167
well i didn't rip them, i just pulled them off some russian site that I couldn't read. All I know is that when I play them in MMJB, it says 1141 kbs.
That's because the mp3 is variable bitrate and MMJB (like many players) can't read the bitrate properly and therefore gives abnormally high values. The mp3 almost certainly has a 'normal' bitrate, ie within the range 128-320 kbs.
# 30 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
you should use a good cd ripper like EAC + the LAME codec.
# 31 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
personally i like my ipod better than my cd player. i did have a really good cd player but cause i just got these really cool sony in ear head phones the sound quality is better than ever, so i really never knew what i was missing, if i really ever was missing anything.
# 32 Re: Anyone else miss CD-quality audio?
Originally posted by Christophe167
i have a couple Doors mp3s that are ripped at 1411 kbps. They're massive so i only have like 3 of them but i don't notice that much of a difference from 128 that i'm usually at.
1411 is the bit rate for WAV & AIFF. In other words, uncompressed audio stream. Should sound identical to original CD when using the same playback equipment (i.e., CD in PC & iTunes through same headphones)