Really, how bad are the FM units?
I have looked through the various posts and found many differing views regarding the FM Car Transmitters. It does seems to be the easiest solution. If one were to attempted to quantify the difference in sound quality between the FM units, Aux connections, and the sound of a CD played through the car sound sys, what would be the result (1 = worst 10 = Best)?
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mrudd1] at [2007-11-9 17:36:49]

# 1 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
I haven't tried a wired FM modulator, but I'd rank the rest:
10 - CD
10 - iPod through Aux Input
7 - iPod through tape adaptor
2 - iTrip
That's just for me though. The aux in should be exactly the same quality as the CD.
# 2 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
cd = 9
ipod threw aux = 10** (this is how i have mine setup)
tape = 7
Fm transmitters = 2
** the quality threw aux can bet higher than cd quality if the mp3 is ripped above 128 k
# 3 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
I have the iRock FM transmitter. The sound quality is OK but it's pretty difficult to get a clean signal, mainly because this unit can only be set to 88.1, 88.3, 88.5, or 88.7. There are stations near them in my location. Would probably work all right if you were in Wyoming.
# 4 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
I have the iRock FM transmitter and it works really well. I use it not for in-car (can't even drive yet) but for at home. I wanted something that I could put in my room and tune the radio in the bathroom to and listen to my iPod in the shower. Works great. Hardly ANY distortion (I think they say something like .05% or something). There is a little bit of static that you can hear. If I play it through my stereo I can't hear the static unless I get close to the speaker. And that's when the iPod is on pause and nothing's playing. When there's music playing, sounds nearly perfect. But you have to watch, though, because if the iPod volume is up too much, there is like a whole new layer of static. I find it best to put the iPod volume at a little less than halfway and turn up the volume on my stereo. But it doesn't come with an AC adapter, so you have to run it on the two AAAs it takes unless you buy an adapter (3V). All things considered, though, I'd give it about an 8. Hope this helps.
Chelce at 2007-11-15 16:01:14 >

# 5 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
My experience with FM transmitters has been better than others on this board. Assuming CD audio is a 10 then:
iTrip: 8
Cheap FM transmitter: 5
If you can find a clear frequency (or frequencies if you're lucky like me!) then the iTrip is a great solution.
# 6 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
Bought the SIIG Wireless Audio Link Pro Saturday night, tried it in my house and in my car (01 VW GTI) with very little success.
I live in Philadelphia, and I guess there's just too much other traffic on the airwaves. Pretty much useless.
My girlfriend is taking it with her up to Providence, RI, so I'll have a good test for the Northeast I95 from Philly to Providence, when she returns in a month.
netrack :: It's not possible to get higher than CD quality with mp3s ... they are compressed from the CD, so you will definitely be losing sound quality, no matter how high you set your sample rate. Unless of course you are ripping from something with a better bandwidth than CD, like ... the old LP!
My rating:
CD = 10
SIIG = 0
Hardwire to CD changer connect on back of head unit = ?? (but we'll find out in the next couple of weeks once I get all the parts)
HamiV at 2007-11-15 16:03:12 >

# 7 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
Belkin was a 7
iTrip was a 1.5
Next is iCarPlay - hoping for an 8-10!!
# 8 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
The iTrip sounds decent in my car, I'd give it a five or a six...
# 9 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
OSU iDotter,
I have a Monster iCarPlay and it is great. Use it in the wife's car which has a roof mounted, rear stub antenna. True line level signal from the dock connector. Had an iRock, what a POS. Could not get a clear signal, just not powerful enough. Monster charger/transmitter works well, maybe due to the connection to the car wiring harness-like a big antenna? Not perfect, but a good solution if you do not want to dig around behind your dash or want multiple cables for charging/signal. I would give it an 8, you will be happy with its performance.
My truck has a Clarion FM 200 hard wired modulator fed by a modded (Thanx, Bing for the help!) Apple issue dock cable. Line level out and charging (DC to AC Inverter/Apple brick) in a single, clean cable. Sounds better than transmitter if you want to get more involved. In the case of the wife's MBZ with fiber optic CD, Monster was the way to go.
I am patiently awaiting the Alpine iPod ready decks before redoing my whole system.
My install:
http://atlas.walagata.com/w/armano/bing2.jpg
Bing's install:
http://home.pacbell.net/vsim/
# 10 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
I tried the iRock 400 and decided within 1 evening that it wasn't going to meet my requirements. I live in the suburbs of Houston and of the 4 stations available on the device only 1 gave me decent reception.. lots of radio clutter here. Anyway, I would rate the signal as fair to good driving around in town but never great at high volume. Also, the sound quality wasn't what I was expecting. I have a Kenwood deck so I stopped by an audio store and had them install the aux adapter cable along with the monster mini-to-rca cable and the sound is great now. I am by no means a hardcore audiophile but I could definitely appreciate the difference between the fm unit and the aux hookup. The 2 cables I needed were as cheap as the fm unit I purchased online.
jsh
jsh at 2007-11-15 16:07:18 >

# 11 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
Absolutely terrible. Seriously, even if you luck out and get one that isn't a complete piece of crap, you still have to contend with random interference from things like your ignition system, the beep thing when the car starts up, other people's FM units and about a thousand other annoyances.
Not to mention the fact that now you have to juggle two volume controls, and try to find the sweet spot between overdriving the FM unit and getting too much static from not having a strong enough signal.
On top of that, the freaking things wreck your iPod. Having a relatively heavy, rigid object connected to the headphone jack or data port is a bad idea. It is marginally acceptable for sitting in one place, but as soon as the car moves, the vibration wrecks stuff.
The headphone jack on a 30GB Video was destroyed in about a week of in-car use from one of the godawful things. As soon as it happened, I got a 60GB, and an Alpine 9857 deck for the car.
I have yet to meet anyone satisfied with FM transmitter junk. They are an absolute joke.
# 12 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
Can't vote on hard wire as my car is still under warranty (don't ask the dealers just suck basically) ... BUT, not for long. ;)
so ...
CD = 10
Tape = 6 (different car though)
Kensington Digital FM Transmitter = 4/5 (depends on the song & area)
Belkin = 3
iTrip = 1
Roll on hard wire for me. :p
Though I do find my shuffle is better than my 20 gig ipod with the Belkin FM transmitter so it could go up .5/1 rating using a shuffle.
# 13 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
Originally posted by netrack
cd = 9
ipod threw aux = 10** (this is how i have mine setup)
tape = 7
Fm transmitters = 2
** the quality threw aux can bet higher than cd quality if the mp3 is ripped above 128 k
For the iPod to sound better than CD you'd have to start with a source recording that's better than CD. Where would you be getting such a recording?
Based on just my personal experience:
CD= 10
AUX IN = 10
Cassette = 8 (with the cassette deck in my last car)
Kensington Digital Transmitter = 6.5 (will vary by location, but I was happy)
iTrip = 3 (first gen)
Crane digital transmitter = 1
Pete
# 14 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
For the iPod to sound better than CD you'd have to start with a source recording that's better than CD. Where would you be getting such a recording?
Not necessarily: most CD transports suck, while the iPod is a pretty freakin' good source. So even though the more data is on the CD than the AAC file, most decks are still going to sound worse or equal.
And that doesn't factor in skips, dust, inconvenience, bulk etc.
Skips/scratches are a factor in sound quality, so I'd say that an iPod is a far superior car source than CDs.
Besides, anyone who thinks you can discern differences as subtle as those between an original CD and a burned copy in a car environment is completely nuts.
# 15 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
ANOTHER how good FM thread? Grrrrr... as if this isn't threaded to dead.
mrundd1, your scale is meaningless, 'cuz it doesn't take into consideration your listening area, clean or crowded airwave, as MANY have mentioned. Another consideration is how noisy the car and the quality of its stereo.
No more discussion please... just get one locally, try it out, and if not happy, move to something else.
# 16 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
Originally posted by bobb-mini
ANOTHER how good FM thread? Grrrrr... as if this isn't threaded to dead.
mrundd1, your scale is meaningless, 'cuz it doesn't take into consideration your listening area, clean or crowded airwave, as MANY have mentioned. Another consideration is how noisy the car and the quality of its stereo.
No more discussion please... just get one locally, try it out, and if not happy, move to something else.
Amen, brother!!!
Better yet, just avoid the infernal things altogether.
# 17 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
They're not that bad, especially as a low cost option when you don't have any other input. I have a Kensignton and it connects through the dock connector. I wouldn't recommend one that connects through the headphone jack.
It also isn't heavy. The main body is at the power source and only a cord is weighing on the iPod.
As for reception, I never have any problems with other transmitters. It only gets static when driving in the center of downtown where there is more interference. Once you find a good station it's fine. Look here:
http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=120720
90% of the time it compares favorably with a tape adapter. Although I would still only recommend it as a last or easy option.
elam at 2007-11-15 16:14:23 >

# 18 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
i would rate the Monster iCarPlay about an 8, if a cd is considered to be a 10. The iCarPlay is amazing! just make sure to get the newer one that can transmit on all FM frequencies because the first version just has about 8 stations to choose from. The iCarPlay is wired though and will only work in the car because it must be plugged in, but if you are just looking to play it in the car then the sound is great! just as good as a cassette player
# 19 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
aux input to oem stereo 10 :)
tape aux 6 not many car stereos have tapes this days
fm modulator with wire and switch 4
wireless fm modulator 1 (:
there is a lot of aux interfaces for most aftermarket radios and oem no reason to use tape or
fm modulator if you need help with your stereo let me know maybe i can help you
partyd at 2007-11-15 16:16:26 >

# 20 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
What about something like the Subaru Outback that's totally enclosed with other controls. It would be a nightmare to open it up and modify it. No line-out, no tape deck. Not to mention the cost.
elam at 2007-11-15 16:17:29 >

# 21 Re: Really, how bad are the FM units?
What about something like the Subaru Outback that's totally enclosed with other controls. It would be a nightmare to open it up and modify it. No line-out, no tape deck. Not to mention the cost.
So change car.
What's the priority here? money? kids? or COOL SOUND IPOD HOOKUP? :D