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iTunes Store losing its shine?

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/12/itunes-sales-collapsing-blanket-licensing-to-succeed/

I for one never saw too much advantage to downloading songs from iTunes, although i have before because i was too lazy to get by butt to the store. Nonetheless, I thought it was interesting that sales are down overall, not just on itunes. Blanket licensing sounds like an alternative that I wouldn't particularly be interested in either, but then again.. we've all heard this before. There is still nothing like holding a physical disk in your hand that you know will last as long as the plastic doesn't decompose. There is also nothing like watching to see a band live then going to their humble little booth to buy a CD they released independently.
[767 byte] By [JMG] at [2007-11-11 14:35:15]
# 1 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Here is another article about this at Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aoZMUef6e_4k&refer=home):

Apple ITunes Sales Slid in First Half, Forrester Says (Update4)
By Dina Bass

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Computer Inc.'s iTunes music store suffered a 65 percent slump in sales during the first six months of the year, reversing almost two years of gains, according to a Forrester Research Inc. report.

The number of iTunes transactions declined 58 percent between January and June of this year, while transaction size fell 17 percent, the Cambridge, Massachusetts-based market- research firm said today. ITunes spokesman Tom Neumayr said the report is ``simply incorrect.''

``ITunes won't save the music business, or Apple,'' analyst Josh Bernoff wrote in the report.

Forrester, which based its findings on analysis of 2,791 U.S. iTunes debit and credit purchases, said it is too soon to tell whether the decline is seasonal or if demand for digital music is falling. Apple got $452 million in sales last quarter from music sold through iTunes as well as accessories for its market-dominating iPod device, the company reported in October.

Shares of Cupertino, California-based Apple fell $2.61, or 2.9 percent, to $86.14 as of 4 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading. Before today, the stock had gained 20 percent this year.

No Recovery

In 2005, iTunes sales dropped after Christmas before rising ``significantly' in May of that year. That recovery didn't materialize this year, Forrester said.

Steve Lidberg, an analyst at Pacific Crest Securities, said in a note today he doesn't see a slowdown in digital music sales. Lidberg, who's based in Portland, Oregon, and rates Apple ``outperform,'' cited other data from researcher SoundScan that show weekly digital album sales have more than doubled to date.

The Forrester report also found that most music stored on iPods isn't purchased from iTunes. Apple sells about 20 iTunes songs for each iPod purchased, even though the devices can store hundreds or thousands of songs.

Many iTunes buyers purchase a few songs at a time with the median size of transactions at $2.97, the report found. One- third of all purchases cost $1.08 or less.

The iTunes store had a profit in the quarter ended Sept. 30, according to Apple. ``Our view continues to be that selling music and TV shows and now movies helps us to sell iPods and accessories,'' Apple Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer told analysts on an Oct. 19 conference call.

Apple started iTunes in April 2003 to help broaden the iPod's appeal. The iTunes store offers more than 3.5 million songs, 250 TV shows, 9,000 music videos and 100 movies. Apple has sold more than 1.5 billion songs through the site and said it sells more than 1 million videos a week.

To contact the reporter on this story: Dina Bass in Seattle at dbass2@bloomberg.net .

Last Updated: December 12, 2006 17:24 EST

Note tat it's not just Apple. The numbers from the above article are from the first half of 2006, should be interesting to see how things pan out for the second half.
baggss at 2007-11-15 17:56:49 >
# 2 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
what can you say, people are catching on that DRM means that its restricted to certain players or access
SuperNYK992 at 2007-11-15 17:57:49 >
# 3 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
CDs, Albums, Tapes?
baggss at 2007-11-15 17:58:47 >
# 4 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
22 songs per iPod, that's not many at all. I'm sure most people have more than 22 songs on their iPod. I wonder where people are getting their other songs from?

I'm guessing either P2P services or people are buying more in store. Or maybe those ads telling people that downloading music is bad, and it's making people just assume that all music downloaded is bad, although that would a little strange and I hope that's not the case.
Nickster at 2007-11-15 17:59:52 >
# 5 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
They need to liven things up by offering lossless tracks for $1.29.
Galley at 2007-11-15 18:00:51 >
# 6 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
I'm guessing either P2P services or people are buying more in store. Or maybe those ads telling people that downloading music is bad, and it's making people just assume that all music downloaded is bad, although that would a little strange and I hope that's not the case.

^^ yeah, my friends mostly think that if you pay, its ok. Like they think downloading copyrighted songs from limewire is ok if you pay the $25 for limewire pro.
SuperNYK992 at 2007-11-15 18:01:50 >
# 7 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
What they need to do is up the bitrate, keep the songs at 0.99 with a special price for entire albums, get rid of DRM (not gonna happen if the RIAA has anything to say about it) and MAYBE sales will recover... provided this is not a seasonal slup, but a new consumer downward trend. IMHO (and I could be wrong) is that the introduction of the 5G brought in influx of new ipod customers. iTunes sales were high because people needed a way to fill their new ipods. Downloading from itunes was trendy and easy, and not especially expensive, so I, much like others i assume, bought some songs just to see what it was like to download music in a new way. Now that so many people have iPods, they have either already bought the old songs that they never had on a DAP already, and only buy when new disks are released, or they have become more economical in obtaining their music, and you can interpret that in any way you wish.
JMG at 2007-11-15 18:02:53 >
# 8 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Interesting take on the stats:
http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2006/12/do-math-itunes-sales-arent-collapsing.html
jedk at 2007-11-15 18:03:56 >
# 9 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
To be fair, I think there's also a question of "market saturation"... Sooner or later, people have bought enough music to fill their iPods with what they're looking for. Plus, many people come to the iPod with a large CD collection already in-hand, and are simply ripping those.

To look at the numbers properly, one would have to compare them to CD sales over the same time period... Maybe music sales are down in general, and it's not just music downloads. Maybe there is simply less interest in the latest releases.

Also, the recent release of movie and TV Show sales on iTunes doesn't seem to factor into these numbers. It's entirely possible that people are taking their hard-earned money and putting more of it toward video content than music.

Personally, I've bought a lot of music on the iTunes Store over the past two years, but I've done so with my eyes open to what it is I'm doing... In my case, 128kbps is more than sufficient, so I don't care about the bit-rate, and the DRM is not truly all that restrictive for my needs. Since I'm only going to listen to the music on the iPod anyway (and through iTunes itself), the DRM is actually far less inconvenient than having to rip and store a physical CD.

In essence, I decided some time ago that I was willing to live with a little bit of DRM in exchange for the much greater convenience of the iTunes Store. As long as I can burn those tracks to a CD, the iTunes Store content is as future-proof as it needs to be for my purposes (and if I were paranoid, I could just burn EVERY song/album I purchase to an audio CD as soon as I download them and it would actually be less trouble then ripping from an original CD if you think about it).

The bottom line is that I don't think the iTunes Store itself is losing it's shine, nor that people are being scared away from it. The only people I really see avoiding the iTunes Store are those who either don't trust/understand the digital download concept, people who are rabidly anti-DRM, or those who are concerned about bit-rates.
jhollington at 2007-11-15 18:04:53 >
# 10 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
I agree with you on that--it mirrors my own experience. When the Itunes store first opened, I bought a ton of songs--mainly songs here and there that I didn't want the whole CD for; it ended up being a fair number. Then I slowed down considerably--I still buy songs there, especially if it's just one or two off a CD (otherwise I'd just buy the CD). It's kind of a cull effect; when the store first opened, there were all these people with ipods (like myself) who were kids in a candy shop--now that huge number of people with ipods before the store opened have had a couple of years to saturate their ipods at the store; because of this it was inevitable that the store would see a dropoff. Now it's stabilized (or perhaps corrected itself for all those early users)--I suspect the slide will eventually level off to a more consistent number and the store will continue to do fine, with older ipod members buying a song here and there, and new owners buying a bumch of songs and then slowing down. But there will never be a peak like there was before.

And the general decline in music sales as you alluded to with CDs is also is playing a part; in the future, competing music services will take a slice away too. But while the overall numbers will be down, I don't think it represents the death of ITMS, just a stabilization over time.
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 18:05:54 >
# 11 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Personally, I've bought a lot of music on the iTunes Store over the past two years, but I've done so with my eyes open to what it is I'm doing... In my case, 128kbps is more than sufficient, so I don't care about the bit-rate, and the DRM is not truly all that restrictive for my needs. Since I'm only going to listen to the music on the iPod anyway (and through iTunes itself), the DRM is actually far less inconvenient than having to rip and store a physical CD.

I tried that, ripping to 128 AAC burning a CD and ripping to a 128 MP3, I could hear the compression artifacts. But that's just me, if Apple opened up it's DRM to allow other players access to them I would probably buy some iTunes tracks.

TV intrested me for a while until I saw the price and quality. The quality is viewable, but the price is only about $20 cheaper then buying the DVDs, and at least when I looked I couldn't burn it to a DVD for archiving. Now if Apple and the companies offered some deal where I can pay for the reason and get the DVDs sent to me at the end of the season (say for $70, $50 for the DVD set, and the season at a discounted $20 rate) I would gladly jump on it, as I don't have cable, but there are shows that I would like to watch.

But I have to agree about saturation, not only is Apple seeing it but the music industry as a whole. Personally I think a lot of the recent decline in sales probably comes from everyone buying any old music that they like, and a vast majority of the sales coming from newer releases which of course is going to be much smaller.
PPGMD at 2007-11-15 18:06:52 >
# 12 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
I tried that, ripping to 128 AAC burning a CD and ripping to a 128 MP3, I could hear the compression artifacts. But that's just me, if Apple opened up it's DRM to allow other players access to them I would probably buy some iTunes tracks.

Their decision to force a 400 dollar buy rather than maybe get 200 from the store is pretty obvious in my opinion. Opening it would mean less iPod sales and I doubt the new iTunes sales they got from it would compensate for the loss.
papayaninja at 2007-11-15 18:07:50 >
# 13 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Their decision to force a 400 dollar buy rather than maybe get 200 from the store is pretty obvious in my opinion. Opening it would mean less iPod sales and I doubt the new iTunes sales they got from it would compensate for the loss.

That's going to be their loss because someone is going to eventually figure out the magic that makes the iPod's such hot potatos and since the only major DRM format out there other then AAC is WMA which has a much wider support base it's going to be bad news for Apple.

This is the same mistake they made with Mac OS, Apple is just as greedy as Microsoft, but they don't have the same market position to expliot that greed. IMO if they stay this course it's likely that they will loose.
PPGMD at 2007-11-15 18:08:56 >
# 14 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
That's going to be their loss because someone is going to eventually figure out the magic that makes the iPod's such hot potatos and since the only major DRM format out there other then AAC is WMA which has a much wider support base it's going to be bad news for Apple.

While WMA does have a wider base, other players, including the Zune, support non DRM'd AAC. The problem is WMA is fragmented right now. MS has the Zune marketplace DRM which is NOT the same as the Fairplay used by other music stores (Napster, Wal-Mart etc) that won't play on the Zune (and vice-versa). Not only has M$ followed Apples proprietary lead in DRM, they have essentially screwed their former partners in the online music sales business.

This is the same mistake they made with Mac OS, Apple is just as greedy as Microsoft, but they don't have the same market position to expliot that greed. IMO if they stay this course it's likely that they will loose

While there are similarities, there are also big differences. In this case M$ has to compete on a level playing field and no one is going to tolerate any backdoor dealing from them at this point. As such M$ has to offer a real advantage over the iPod and other competitors, and while the Zune is nice, it doesn't really do that. Your assumptions about Apple staying on this course don't allow for whatever the Gen 6 iPod will bring to the table, and it is nowhere near clearcut that Apple will lose or that M$ will be particularly sucessful.
baggss at 2007-11-15 18:10:02 >
# 15 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
While WMA does have a wider base, other players, including the Zune, support non DRM'd AAC.Non-DRM'ed AAC (or non-DRMed anything for that matter) doesn't really apply to these online stores. WMA doesn't have a wider base, since iPods have the lion's share of the portable market (and PCs can play either).

The problem is WMA is fragmented right now. MS has the Zune marketplace DRM which is NOT the same as the Fairplay used by other music stores (Napster, Wal-Mart etc) that won't play on the Zune (and vice-versa). That would be PlaysForSure, not Fairplay. Funny, the only ones I ever hear complaining about this are people who don't like the Zune, and who wouldn't be caught dead with any DRMed WMA to begin with. Still, it was a rather bizarre move on Microsoft's part, and virtually eliminates the possibility of a multiple-device owner paying for downloads.

If DRM is hurting iTunes' sales, that'd be a good thing in the long run. I doubt it is, but hey if Forrester wants to say that, all the better. Blanket licensing would never stand a chance in the US with its powerful labels (and lobbies), but eliminating DRM would benefit paying customers more than anyone.
bdb at 2007-11-15 18:10:54 >
# 16 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
That would be PlaysForSure, not Fairplay. Funny, the only ones I ever hear complaining about this are people who don't like the Zune, and who wouldn't be caught dead with any DRMed WMA to begin with. Still, it was a rather bizarre move on Microsoft's part, and virtually eliminates the possibility of a multiple-device owner paying for downloads.

Thanks for the correction, there. I did indeed mean PlaysForSure nor FairPlay.
baggss at 2007-11-15 18:11:58 >
# 17 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Forrester says iTunes sales are NOT plummeting ( http://www.tuaw.com/2006/12/13/forrester-blog-responds-to-itunes-kerfluffle/)
Kristiano at 2007-11-15 18:13:05 >
# 18 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
I never said anything about the Zune, in fact I believe that not supporting PlayForSure on the Zune was a bad move, I simply said that someone is likely to make a play that at the very least undercuts Apple's market share, and since the DRM in AAC is not available for non-Apple products it's DRM'd music format is likely to be WMA. Which in turn WMA will play on a much larger number of music players (not talking about units deliverd).

I do believe that Apple is making the same mistakes of the past, I don't believe that Microsoft will win on the hardware front, I believe someone else will, but going head to head AAC to WMA I think that WMA will win unless another format emerges or Apple opens up AAC, and with that loss so goes iTunes.
PPGMD at 2007-11-15 18:13:59 >
# 19 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
The Register had an interesting write up on the report (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/13/itunes_sales_forrester_replies/).

The aftermath was far more interesting than the report itself. Yes, iTunes sales plummeted 65%, between a post-holiday period and mid-year, when sales typically are slow anyway (for many tech companies). That was really non-news...but any mention of Apple seems to get the press, bloggers, and a lot of other people worked up these days.
bdb at 2007-11-15 18:15:07 >
# 20 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
^ I believe that it was a well known fact that was even mentioned in the article. It's speculation at this point what the numbers really mean... because even though the numbers are supposed to drop at a certain time, doesn't mean that the factors that people mentioned have not had an affect on dropping itunes sales as well. The market is closer to saturation with DAPs (and iPods) than ever before. One can also assume that apple's timely release of new apple products (esp around the holidays) contributes to the increase in sales, AND that the lack of a new iPod or iPod model around the holidays every year will result in a permanent decrease in itunes music store sales... at least until a newer ipod comes out... at which point people have already bought the bulk of the old songs they wanted from itunes, and sales figures will have to rely on new releases and new customers more and more.
JMG at 2007-11-15 18:15:58 >
# 21 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
More on how this was apparently blown WAY out of proportion ( http://blogs.forrester.com/devicesmedia/2006/12/itunes_sales_ar.html) by The Register and Bloomberg...
baggss at 2007-11-15 18:17:04 >
# 22 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
I stumbled across this at macworld...

http://playlistmag.com/news/2006/12/14/itunessurge/index.php
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 18:18:02 >
# 23 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
I for one have not, did not, and will not ever purchase DRM music via iTunes or any other related site. Purchasing encoded, compromised, and manipulated music is simply not worth it.

Now excuse me while I look at my wall of CDs. ;)
musichound at 2007-11-15 18:19:03 >
# 24 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Well it looks like the lesson from this is that iTunes is doing fine, and customers have given the RIAA the OK to continue restricting music.

Now excuse me while I peruse through the gigs of music I've purchased (not leased with someone else's control) from eMusic! ;)
bdb at 2007-11-15 18:20:02 >
# 25 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Unfortunately, as far as the RIAA is concerned, I don't think it matters, and I don't think they really care...

If people are buying CDs instead of downloading from iTunes, it doesn't affect the RIAA's bottom line in any realistic way, so refusing to download DRM music and buying CDs instead is sending the wrong message (if it's even sending one at all). After all, it still proves that DRM works in their favour (you've still bought the music instead of getting a pirated copy from somewhere - they don't care what form you bought it in).

Unless a non-DRMed major label music service ever became legally available (unlikely), there's really no easy way to send the message that consumers prefer their music not be DRMed. At the moment, the most you can do if you're going to buy major-label music online is to at least but it from a service with very non-restrictive DRM such as iTunes. This at least sends a subtle message in the right direction. For instance, aside from subscription services not being worth my while, I am somewhat philosophically opposed to paying any amount of money to rent music. I also avoided most WMA-based DRM services prior to iTunes, since the restrictions were too severe (usually a maximum of 1-3 CD burns per track, for instance).

Of course, ultimately, buying from independent labels, and buying from places like eMusic makes the most sense as a form of anti-DRM protest. If you're completely opposed to the RIAA's insistence on DRM, the only way to legitimately protest is to refuse to buy music from any RIAA label, in any form. Otherwise, every RIAA-label track you buy is really just playing into their agenda.

(And let's not start any trite nonsense about downloading illegally as a form of protest either... That's also playing into their agenda in the other direction... You just end up making the case for why they need DRM).
jhollington at 2007-11-15 18:21:06 >
# 26 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
As for me, refusing to purchase DRM music has nothing to do with the RIAA. What matters to me most is the quality of music I purchase. There is no quality higher than CD music. From that I can encode it to any type of format I want, including lossless music if I so desire. Purchases of music online is usually restricted to 128K or 192K encoded musoc.

I found a good alternative, which saves a whole lot of money, is this site:
http://www.yourmusic.com/enroll/enroll_200605_cdstacks.html
***Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in this company.***

All CDs in their inventory is only $5.99, which is not only a better format to purchase, but is less expensive also.
musichound at 2007-11-15 18:22:06 >
# 27 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
When I said "lease", I was talking about the iTunes store. It really seems more like an open-ended lease rather than an actual purchase - not only does Apple still retain the right to set limits on how you can use your music, they retain the right to change those restrictions at any time, or to cancel your service altogether at their discretion...and you sign away the right to any legal recourse when you agree to the terms of service. That doesn't sound much like ownership to me.

If its the RIAA you're concerned about (but you still want their music), buying used CDs seems like the way to go. The RIAA gets nothing from used CD sales (of course the artist gets nothing either).
bdb at 2007-11-15 18:23:12 >
# 28 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
If its the RIAA you're concerned about (but you still want their music), buying used CDs seems like the way to go. The RIAA gets nothing from used CD sales (of course the artist gets nothing either).

QFT :)

Of course if you want to show your support to the artist then go to thier shows. That's where the Artist actually makes money. I mean sure the RIAA gets a cut out of the show. But if the artist is good and I like thier music, then I'll throw aside my RIAA hatred to show my support for what I feel is truly music.
Glorybox3737 at 2007-11-15 18:24:06 >
# 29 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Of course if you want to show your support to the artist then go to thier shows. That's where the Artist actually makes money.Yeah, that's the going rumor. I've never heard of any artists saying whether its true or not.
bdb at 2007-11-15 18:25:12 >
# 30 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
Yeah, that's the going rumor. I've never heard of any artists saying whether its true or not.

There was an article in RS a while ago and while I can't remember it in its entirely, I think artists keep most of the money they get whilst on tour although certain labels are negotiating to cut a cut (tickets, merchandise) following falling album sales.
Kristiano at 2007-11-15 18:26:14 >
# 31 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
As for me, refusing to purchase DRM music has nothing to do with the RIAA. What matters to me most is the quality of music I purchase. There is no quality higher than CD music. From that I can encode it to any type of format I want, including lossless music if I so desire. Purchases of music online is usually restricted to 128K or 192K encoded musoc.

I found a good alternative, which saves a whole lot of money, is this site:
http://www.yourmusic.com/enroll/enroll_200605_cdstacks.html
***Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in this company.***

All CDs in their inventory is only $5.99, which is not only a better format to purchase, but is less expensive also.

I just got an email regarding my yourmusic subscription. Prices are going up to $6.99 in January...
studogvetmed at 2007-11-15 18:27:14 >
# 32 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
When I said "lease", I was talking about the iTunes store. It really seems more like an open-ended lease rather than an actual purchase - not only does Apple still retain the right to set limits on how you can use your music, they retain the right to change those restrictions at any time, or to cancel your service altogether at their discretion...
While I agree with your point about leasing, since FairPlay (the DRM used by iTunes) does not require any kind of revalidation of content (FairPlay license keys do not expire), the only way one would be affected by a change in those restrictions is to actually connect to the iTunes Store and allow these new restrictions to be updated to your computer, and/or to update your version of iTunes to one that enforces these tighter restrictions.

As long as burning to CD remains an option, there is always a completely legitimate way to un-DRM the music, regardless of how tedious that method may be. If you keep a backup of the music files you've purchased from iTunes, it is unlikely this would ever affect you in any meaningful way.

Hypothetical (but very unlikely) situation: Apple suddenly decided to restrict ANY form of burning to CD under any circumstances for purchased tracks. (This is unlikely because that would probably kill the iTunes Store completely). A restore of a backed up iTunes library to a non-Internet-connected PC running the last version of iTunes available and authorized from before this restriction was changed would allow for as many burns to CD as you wanted (as was the previous policy).

Now, in reality the terms of the iTunes Store have changed very minimally over time. People like to capitalize on the one change that Apple made (reducing the burns-per-playlist from 10 to 7) as an example of how Apple can change the terms at any time (I don't think this was an unreasonable change, either... Do people really need to burn the same playlist even seven times, let alone ten?)

At any rate, while I don't disagree that they can change the terms, it would be ridiculous for them to do so. Truth is, I don't think Apple is necessarily the one pushing for DRM... After all, they've produced a store that is so easy to use and so simply-priced that it's often easier to just click a button and spend $0.99 per track than it is to bother trying to share music (again, particularly for the average consumer at which it is targeted).

The only organization pushing for DRM are the RIAA, and the more iTunes continues to succeed, the less likely they are to push for tighter restrictions on iTunes, since there is at least some evidence that would support the idea that the majority of consumers are willing to live with DRM as long as it's not draconian.

(Don't get me wrong, if the RIAA ever released a completely DRM-free online music service, even as a trial, I'd be on there downloading as much music as I could just to prove an even greater point).
jhollington at 2007-11-15 18:28:17 >
# 33 Re: iTunes Store losing its shine?
YourMusic.com is fantastic. I've been buying CDs from them for nearly two years. :D

Remember kids, CDs = lossless!
Galley at 2007-11-15 18:29:18 >
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