iPhone complete market dominance....
Steve Jobs has done it again.:cool:
However, I think the smartest move is to make a play for complete market dominance ASAP.
To do this is simpler than anyone thinks.
Keep the entire design/UI/software identical to what we saw in the presentation.
Add 2 things:
HD storage
Video/Audio output expansion.
That is it.
Bare w/ me...
since iPod has a family of varying size, thickness, and storage...
so should iPhone.
Releasing a thicker model with hard drive storage early is key for the music lovers.
Also, on the video side of things...
How many of us have been hanging out w/ friends,
and in conversation, said:
*you* : "Have you seen _______"
*friends* : "No, what is it? ...what's it about ?"
*you* : "I got it right here, wanna see it ?"
*friends* : "YEAH!!!"
Now imagine having the storage to that with dozens of your favorite videos/movies/shows...
...But how lame is it...
to have a group of friends all huddled around one 3.5" screen ?
No problem.
All it takes is a thicker model,
or several thicker models,
with scaled HD & price...
iPhone 40GB- $699
iPhone 100+GB- $799
...and two available expansion packs...
one w/ the common 3 RCA jacks ($149-$199)
(yellow, red, and white)
...one higher end one with digital jacks.($199-$249)
I think the RCA jack model would sell like crazy,
given the ease & commonality of RCA jacks on everyone's TV
Just imagine,
plugging RCA cables into the bottom of a pack,
that resembled the iLuv battery pack,
http://www.i-luv.com/iLuv/images/products/230/i604.jpg
and watching your iPhone,
whether it be video, or internet, even a YouTube clip...
...thru a BIG TV...:cool: :D :cool:
Please let me know what you think.
Also, please add any ideas you have.
Peace.:cool:
[2055 byte] By [
alpha80] at [2007-11-11 15:32:34]
# 1 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
Im sorry but it seems that you know absolutly nothing about the market. In order to have complete market dominance, apple would have to sell approximatly 3 billion iphones. This isn't like the MP3 market where it single product VS single product, its more like single catagory VS single catagory. Lets put it this way, Nokia are the leading the phone market by 30% followed SE with 15% and then motorola with 9%. 30% of the worlds population have bought a Nokia phone some time in their life and no single phone can equate to that.
Sorry but your dream is over, Market dominance LOL! :rolleyes:
# 2 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
iPhone will dominate just like the Segway was the breakthrough paradigm in human transportation.
# 3 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
A pretty neat looking phone? Yes.
Complete market dominance? Heck no.
The iPhone is pretty pricey, sticks you with a two year contract, and does a lot of things that people don't really want. Many people are happy with their current phones or are stuck in contracts, so they won't be lining up to get an iPhone.
It'll sell well, but certainly not "iPod well."
Lone at 2007-11-15 13:02:24 >
# 4 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
Why should the iPhone fare better than the Moto ROKR or the Newton, for that matter?
About a year ago, I was following rants and raves about a portable device that could function as both a windows mobile pocket pc and a windows xp tablet. That device was priced way above what the market was willing to bear at the time. Today, that device is nothing more than a novelty item.
Eragon at 2007-11-15 13:03:29 >
# 5 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
When people look at cell phones they look for the PHONE part, they are interested in talking, ring tones, text messaging, and looks. Listening to music, watching videos, browsing the internet take a back seat.
iPhone will become no more dominate than the blackberry.
iPhone struggles with identity too its as if its trying to please business and pleasure at the same time..they simply don't mix.
Businesses will frown because of the toys the iPhone has which make workers less productive. Kids will frown because of the extra business/organization crap on the phone. It makes much more sense to get a device that has just what you want that way you don't pay more for the BS you don't want. Example? I want a phone, I can pick one up for $200 that works fine then I can spend another $350 for a 80gb video iPod. I have both a phone I want and a media player with bigger capacity that I want for CHEAPER.
The only good feature which is subjective is the TOUCH SCREEN feature, thats ALL the iPhone introduced IMHO. Everything else can be had from other devices for MUCH cheaper.
Bottomline: Its not possible for this phone to dominate the market because a) steep price, b) you can buy a iPod/phone seperate and get more for your money for cheaper, c) its stuck with one carrier, d) and it has no real demographic target.
# 6 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
It'a all true what paranoidxe said earlier... only one problem arises. Practice. I used to have a phone, a PDA and an iPod. I just could keep track of what I had where and when I would need it. Plus the size of the 3 combined. So I got a smartphone... an SE M600. Cool phone (and now much more usable thanks to fw updates), good organizer and decent music player. Entirely more fun musically than my iPod Shuffle. I got rid of the PDA. The phone could very well do everything the PDA could. But the MP3 player part... well let's just say the finances put me off since I would have had to spend quite a deal more on M2 512MB card and the headset that would work with it (which is excellent). I'd love to use it as all the devices I own (phone, PDA MP3 player). I just choose not to spend more money on stupid toys. That's it.
If I was buying a phone now on the other hand... I would wait for the iPhone. It seems great. But we've seen that early-adopteritys is not a forgiving disease. Hmmm...
Bellor at 2007-11-15 13:05:37 >
# 7 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
Im sorry but it seems that you know absolutly nothing about the market. In order to have complete market dominance, apple would have to sell approximatly 3 billion iphones.
OK ok...a very competetive player in the market.
BTW, stdvetmed, Thanks.
But the break up was for impact. LOL
# 8 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
Businesses will frown because of the toys the iPhone has which make workers less productive. True True. Great point. Every single creative professional will have one tho...for certain.
# 9 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
The previous poster has a good point. What's so different about this phone capabilty and a $100-$200 Palm years ago other than the input ? If you think about it, not much. Only the input device is different stylus vs finger (of course prettier). But is it worth $499 vs $100 Palm?
# 10 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
:lol: Should read "iPhone for the bandwagoner"... Market dominance. :rolleyes: I could just see the millions of Razr owners trying to upgrade or flooding eBay...
# 11 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
It will be very difficult to dominate a market when you are restricting yourself to one cell phone company. I really don't see all those Sprint, Verizon, Alltell, etc. cell phone users jumping to Cingular just to get the iPhone.
# 12 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
True True. Great point. Every single creative professional will have one tho...for certain.
Why would they have one when you can't even install Doom on it? How old are you, seriously?
# 13 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
It will be very difficult to dominate a market when you are restricting yourself to one cell phone company. I really don't see all those Sprint, Verizon, Alltell, etc. cell phone users jumping to Cingular just to get the iPhone.
Isn't the Cingular exclusive only through 2010?
# 14 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
The previous poster has a good point. What's so different about this phone capabilty and a $100-$200 Palm years ago other than the input ? If you think about it, not much. Only the input device is different stylus vs finger (of course prettier). But is it worth $499 vs $100 Palm?
That is like saying that the first iPod was like all the other MP3 players of the time so why spend the extra money. Yes, if you looked at the specs, the iPod's primary difference would only have been the amount of storage space. But the specs can't give you a feel of the device in use. The ease of use of the UI has been an extremely important factor in its success (and will be with the iPhone as well).
# 15 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
That is like saying that the first iPod was like all the other MP3 players of the time so why spend the extra money. Yes, if you looked at the specs, the iPod's primary difference would only have been the amount of storage space. But the specs can't give you a feel of the device in use. The ease of use of the UI has been an extremely important factor in its success (and will be with the iPhone as well).
And was the first iPod a runaway success initially? Nope.
If I remember correctly it cost $399 (?) then, way to expensive for a MP3 player.
It wasn't until Apple started dropping their prices to a comparable level of their competitors that the iPod started picking up momentum.
As of now, iPhone is priced too high in my opinion.
# 16 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
I've noticed that the iPhone now has threads on forums such as howardforums.com and pocket pc thoughts. Here is a link to an interesting thread by WM5 pocket pc users. I have been a longtime pocket pc user. There is no doubt that the iPhone is having a very widespread impact.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=53355
Eragon at 2007-11-15 13:15:46 >
# 17 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
I've noticed that the iPhone now has threads on forums such as howardforums.com and pocket pc thoughts. Here is a link to an interesting thread by WM5 pocket pc users. I have been a longtime pocket pc user. There is no doubt that the iPhone is having a very widespread impact.Getting people talking and getting people buying are two very different things.
Every single creative professional will have one tho...for certain.Never have I read anything on a forum that is further from the truth.
For a start, if people are all that creative, why would they mindlessly buy a product because Apple make it? If you behave like that, you're not creative, you're a sheep.
I could go on and on but I have better things to do with my time.
# 18 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
^Congrats, go do them...
w/ or w/o those sheep you mentioned.:D
BTW, we won't be buying them cause Apple made them.
We'll buy them because they're convienient.
Peace.
# 19 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
^Congrats, go do them...I am - I'm multi-tasking :D
BTW, we won't be buying them cause Apple made them.
We'll buy them because they're convienient.So, you're one of these 'creative people' then?
I should've known from the 'creative' way you spell convenient ;)
I'm not saying that everyone who buys the iPhone will be doing so because it's by Apple, far from it. But, then again, I'm not talking in generalities.
You however, have spoken for every 'creative' person on the face of the planet (which would actually be every person on the face of the planet, given the fabulous scope of the human mind) and in doing so, have immediately proven yourself wrong.
Now, I'm not having a go and I don't wish to cause any offence but I've read a few things you've written in this and other threads regarding the iPhone.
I think what you need to do is stop, calm down and think. This is just a phone, nothing more. It's not going to make your life complete, it's not going to bring about world peace, it's not going to cure cancer. It's a phone.
That really is all I'm going to say about this, as I can just see this thread descending (even further) into farce.
# 20 Re: iPhone complete market dominance....
Well, those of us from the iLounge team who attended MWSF had no doubt in our minds that if the Apple Store had them in stock on Tuesday, we would have been in line with our credit cards out pretty much upon leaving the store.
Mind you, that's us... From the very fact that we're part of the iLounge team, nobody should be particularly surprised.
However, once the reality distortion field from the Keynote wore off, the things that weren't said in the Keynote started to occur to me....
I still have no doubt that I'll be getting one when it's available, but I'm skeptical that it's going to do an adequate job of replacing my existing technology (I definitely won't be giving up my 5G iPod for the iPhone, but whether or not it's going to suitably replace my Blackberry 8700 or RAZR v3i is something that I'm going to have to wait and see).
