The official iPhone discussion thread

U want it good and u want it cheap? :D

Meh either, but that's 'cuz am not into videos.

It's gonna make the video kids and touch screen fans very happy though, *if* they can afford it!

I think I'd wait for next year's iPhone-mini. Just phone+music is all I need.

I'll wait for the 100+gb 6g iPod. whenever that comes out.

You hit the nail on the head. I have to say that merge calls and visual voicemail look pretty cool. I just don't have any need for a phone, any money, or any half-way decent Cingular coverage, otherwise I'd be all over it.

I don't need a cell phone. Let alone a $600 cell phone that you're bound to keep paying for service for 2 years.

I say screw the phone and release the iVid or something that'll be just an iPod, but wide/touchscreen.

All that capability and potential, and not enough space to do anything with it. 4G, 8G? And how much space will the OS take up? I don't understand. It's like they built a Lamborghini with a 6 ounce gas tank.

You might be able to buy it contract less, but then you're looking at an even higher price. All for 8GB? I'll pass.

If they replaced the current 5G line-up with this model, but with an HD and at roughly the same price I'd jump in a second.

I WANT THIS!!!!

I'm gonna wait till a few months after it is released before I buy. So far what I'm seeing on apple's web site seems like it could replace my nano, and cell phone, but I also have a PDA so i'm curious to know how strong are the PIM software if any.

It's a pretty sweet device. As far as touch screen controls/interface design goes, it's everything I was hoping for and then some. But the phone means nothing to me personally. If they take out the phone functionality, remove the puny 8 gig flash storage and add a 100 gig hard disk in its place, I'd grab one in a heart beat.

I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of the coming iPod upgrades. They've come too far to take a step backward storage-wise. People who just want a high-capacity music/video player are still counting on large storage, and I doubt Apple is going to leave them in the cold.

I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of the coming iPod upgrades.
Dunn worry, u should see more, but the wait is gonna be gut-wrentching for the some of u. :D

This device is really a PHONE FIRST/PDA/WebSurfer, then a video player (just 'cuz of the larger screen) second.

Steve Jobs has a history of making stuff that he dreams of (thinner! revolutionary! cool!), then a year later the more down-to-earth accountants (hey, we "gotta make money") convince him to make another model more to everybody's liking to be the "cash cow."

After thinking a little more about it, they should have a Build-Your-Own type of thing like most companies do with laptops. I'm not sure what the premium charge that adds is, but if it's low enough, it would be the easiest way to make everyone happy. You could get only the components you want no matter what they were. If you wanted the internet functionality without the phone, and with a 100 Gig HD, I don't see why you shouldn't be able too. Really, if it runs OS X, even a chopped down and different version, it IS a computer and shouyld be sold as such.

edit: Additionally, you have to remember the price of the first gen iPod. It was 5 or 6 hundred bucks, had a 5 gig drive and was the size of a brick (A very tiny brick, but it was big). In a couple years the price will be down significantly, but in the time being the early adopters will be happy.

one of the things that seems to me would be quite a big problem, is the whole "putting the screen on your ear and expecting to see clearly through it." now this may sound gross to some, but everybody i've talked to has a hard time seeing their little razor screen after using it. as humans, we're pretty much filthy creatures (even right out of the shower). having that kind of skin/oil/gross all over the screen is going to present problems when trying to wipe it off (if it's going to be as scratch prone as any of the G5's are currently)... just a thought. i know... it's a gross thought, but still... put that in your pipe and smoke it. :)

Right. I think the iPhone is a wonder of technology...but...

8gb space? Well its ok now, not really enough, but when it gets to the UK in almost a year will it have got bigger with time? I have significantly more music than that, not even taking into account pics and video...

2mp Camera? Err, my sony currently as a 3.3mp camera and again, in a years time in the UK a 2mp camera will be horribly outdated.

Running OSX? Hmmm, I dont know this (so any response is appreciated) but can you load things onto it? Would be nice to edit documents on the move or at least view them. And witht the notes bit if you dont have a stylus I dont see an easy way of just jotting stuff down.

If this ships in the UK in a years time with a better camera and more space (nice but not a necessity) and OSX options then I am a given buyer. Until then I'll just wait for the reviews in america!!!

Well, I think the other factor here as to why they took this approach (an all-in-one device) rather than a standalone iPod was to ensure a much bigger and stronger impact for the iPhone itself... In order to partner with Cingular from a position of strength, Apple had to ensure that they could bring something absolutely groundbreaking to the table.

If they had released this as just an upgraded iPod, much of the "wow" factor would be gone when the iPhone itself came out, since it would just be adding phone features to an existing iPod, and would therefore be much less exciting by comparison.

I'm sure there will be Cingular customers who are going to be all over this thing just for the iPod-based capabilities.

I think it's fair to say that there will definitely be a higher-capacity version of this device, probably without the phone/wireless capabilties, and Apple now has at least six months before they need to worry about it. Even when it does debut, since the iPhone is the far more complex device, there will be far less R&D to worry about in debuting it.

As for partnering with a carrier, that's almost a necessity in the mobile phone business. Further, I don't know if Cingular is subsidizing this or not (as Apple's deal with Cingular is far from a standard manufacturer/carrier relationship), but if they are that would be necessary to keep the costs reasonable (this is priced in the same way as the early Palm Treo's and Blackberries were, and it's a much more sophisticated device).

Also, let's not forget that Apple has partnered with Cingular to also provide a better experience for things like the visual voicemail. This requires carrier-side integration to pull off successfully.

Wait, I haven't done that much research so don't flame me. Is this a touchscreen? :(

Wait, I haven't done that much research so don't flame me. Is this a touchscreen? :(

Yessir, it is.

Unfortunately I knew something like this would happen. I guess I feared the worst... :o

i saw it and immediatly i loved it. it was for mne. But then they announced it was for cingular.. ok now i will have to pay for my own plan... not so bad.. lets see cingular's lowest priced one person plan... $40 per month ouch... ok lets see the phones price.. problably $300 like the iPods... ok holy ####ing #### $600? Apple, did you get your price mixed with sony PS3?

lets see.

my current t-mobile(family plan 5th add 9.99 a month) and Samsung T629 slider(Xmas Present) - to me, free bc my dad pays for family plan

Switch to cingular and iPhone:

iPhone - $600
2 years of cingular service at lowest rates: $960

If you switch from a different service provider, the iPhone will cost you $1,500 dollars and you will have to keep it for 2 years

alot of people want the iPhone, but the PRICE is WAY too high.
I guess i'll have to stick with the krzr, if i'll be able to get it...

Off-topic, neone got and suggestions for phones at or below 100? (krzr is 100 here). From sprint and verizon?

Holy moly 500 dollars + subscripton. I just want the VideoIpod. Hopefully Apple whores out their multi touch screen to the normal ipod. And maybe we will see the true VideoIpod this coming fall (with lots of storage-space).

So... I guess the 6G is pretty much answered now? Funny that it will cost an arm and a leg though. lol

Anyway, yeah... so I watched the news since I'm out of town and happen to catch the "hype" the news built up. Of course they waited til the end of the news so you'd toon in the whole time. :rolleyes:

Frankly, I'm not impressed... especially after hearing the price and that it only has 8gb. We haven't even gotten into the service plan either. No, thanks... My Sprint SLVR and 1yr old 5G is just fine thanks.

Oh yeah, I like how Jobs says "your life in your pocket" or the ultimate device for your life. Ha ha... reminded me of that SNL spoof from awhile ago. Lots of bull.

I want Skype and iChat AV on this baby and until that happens I doubt I'll be getting one. I think its really promising though and if there are improvements on the first gen or a 2.0 version I might get one. I'm in two minds whether or not to pick up one when I go to UK at the end of the year.

At the VERY least, it'll stop those iPhone rumors that come around every 2 weeks.

As has already been pointed out: this is not the video iPod, but it may give us a good idea of what the new video iPod might look like. Clearly with only 8gb, this is not your portable video device, but it does seem to do everything else. Price tag is high, but not too high when you look at other devices with the same functions, and it seems to integrate those functions better than any of the competing device, but then that's based on one demo, and until the users get their hands on this, we won't really know. But it looks beautiful to me. The high price tag of the item might not be too bad if it's not coupled with a high service plan from Cingular. The phone aspect looks great, but doesn't begin to justify the price. What makes it look like it'll be worthwhile to me is the internet/e-mail/PDA functions. If it does that as well as the demo showed us, and if the price for using those features isn't too hefty, then this could be very handy indeed. I've wanted to receive e-mail on my phone for a long time, and I know it's possible, but it never seemed easy enough. Apple, as usual, makes it look easy.
Here's what I want: I want to stop in at my local WiFi enabled coffee shop to get a coffee, and while I'm waiting in line, have my phone grab my latest e-mail and send off my latest responses, and log my chat client on in case someone wants to send a quick IM. I want my calendar and my contacts, and I want to be able to edit them on the phone and have it update my iMac at the next sync. And if it can serve up a couple of songs or the episode of the last TV show I missed, so much the better. If it can download them from my home computer (or directly from iTunes) while I sit at the office, so I can watch them on the bus ride home, I may cry. Based on my experience with Apple and OSX, this device has chance at doing all that.
The iPod is one of the best at storing and serving audio and, to a lesser extent, video. The iPhone serves entirely different, communication/organization-based functions. Any added iPod functions are just icing on the cake. If you're used to carrying a nano/shuffle and a phone, this could replace both, but otherwise it will probably only supplement your full-sized iPod, but if it works well it could still be an extremely handy item.

As for the price range, yes of course it would be ridiculously high for an iPod, but I have paid in the $500 range for just about every PDA/smartphone device I have ever owned when it first came out. This device is an entry in the Blackberry/Treo space, not the iPod space.

For me, this device would replace my Blackberry and maybe my cell phone (depending on whether or not it includes things like voice-activated dialing), and would probably mean that I wouldn't bother bringing my iPod with me on daily commutes or other routine travel around the city.

The iPhone price is with a 2 year contract too, I can't imagine the RETAIL price on the sucker.

Internet? I bet its slow as hell, at least it is with blackberry devices..and I have a computer for that and most current phones support it.

Videos? My 5G does that.
Songs? My nano/5G does that.
8GB capacity? Pathetic, my iPod has 10 times that capacity.
Price? I could buy two 80GB iPods for the price of one 8GB iPhone.

As far as I can tell the only thing this device really revolutionalizes is a touch screen..and that really doesn't justify the price tag.

The iPhone is really stuck in the middle, it has a bunch of business applications that kids won't touch and at the same time it has video/music functions that businesses/older generation won't touch, I highly doubt any serious company is going to buy these phones for their employees. So who is it marketed for?

the thing is very cool i must say. but if were going to mix a phone and an ipod in one. why leave the capacity at 8gb. thats no good unless you're a current nano user.. for a 30gb or above ipod user it makes no sense to upgrade.
and also do we know if it plays .avi ! i'm pretty sure it does not.

I agree I currently own a PPC device and while I think the iphone is GREAT I would not switch at this time. I can run every emulator on my phone and play DOOM,, QUAKE, WOLF. The iphone cant do any of this and based on Apple's past I dont see them opening it up for coders to port games and new apps to. My current Pocket PC also have pocket artist which allows me to draw right on the screen and while not as elegant as the iphone I can watch movies and listen to music also. HOWEVER this is just a start.. The second or third gen iphones might be better and IF they allow the code to the public then all bets are off as we will just see a ton of apps and games.

I don't see why Apple would not allow third party applications. Every hardware vendor wish the world would write programs for it, just makes it more popular.

I think the other poster was referring to the fact that the iPod was never opened up to developers by Apple.

I think the iPhone will be different though and we will see a developers package for people to add their own widgets or apps to it, but that surely is down the road. For all we know about the iPhone, major speculation still exists until a hard model is in someone's hands.

I am definatly geting one when it comes out. For me, i have a 30 gig ipod. I like it, but the thing is that i only have 2.5 gigs of music on it, and i dont find it realistic to watch movies on it. This phone looks amazing. It makes my v3i ridicoulous. Plus, i am tired of the RAZR design. With all the funcionality with the wifi and everything, it is perfect. everywhere i go has wifi, my school, my house, starbucks. Not to mention that the phone is Cingular, which is my provider, and i am due for a upgrade in June. Cingular is the only provider in my area that works. Just my 2 cents, i think it is great for some people, not so great for others with amazing music collections. It will work perfect for nano owners, but no so great for 80/60 gig ipod owners. Not to mention i am glad that they have told me about it now, so i can save up 25 bucks a week to fund it. THX Apple

Regards

I think it's supposed to replace future buyers of smartphones. If you had a choice between a nokia N95 and an iPhone, which one are you gonna pick? Anyways, storage space will come up over the years, just like the first iPod, started out at 10GB now we have thin 80GB iPods.
Because if you think about it, 8GB is a lot to cram into 11.6mm which also holds the battery, screen and other components. San Disk came out with this new storage thingie for laptop computers which is pretty thin and holds a lot of storage, the technology isn't that far away.
I think the the thing about the iPhone that blows me away is the multi-touch screen and accelerometer. Bloody Amazing. Check it out if you haven't already at http://www.apple.com/iphone/ipod/ You have to see to believe.

I'd pick the N95, Its still has GPS and a 5MPX carl zeiss lens.

Links don't work Alien.

Now i cannot imagine paying 500+ dollars for a ipod with no other functionality to it. IN reality, this phone is worth it in all repects. I figure that you buy an ipod nano, which would cost a cool 250. Then you buy a phone with even semi-comparable funtions sans wifi, and your gona pay 200= for it. Then you could go out and buy an internet communicater, IE the Nokia n800, and you are gonna pay 400 dollars more. So to me, that is easily about 850 dollars for 3 seperate devices hat can be nudled in one device for a great price. I am seriusly gonna sell my ipod and my phone and get this thing ASAP. It has a amzing UI that NO other phone comes close too, and you cant put a price on that. Apple has seriusly revolutionized the cell phone era.

Links don't work Alien.

They're working for me. Don't copy and paste the links but click on them.

Carier. Cingular.

The iPhone.
Something to expensive and unusable to me. 600 dollars, plus the monthly phone bill. I don't think so. It is really neat and stuff, because I want a cell phone, but I can live without it because I wouldn't use that part a lot. The 8GB really kills it. I have a 30GB 5.5G. I am filling that thing up like crazy. 8GB would be gone. The touchscreen part? Couldn't the screen scratch/crack/fingerprint easily? The new iPhone is a cool thing though for Apple. It may be a perfect thing for you, but for me, I am sticking with my 5.5G 30GB Black iPod Video.

Man, i cant believe this whole," all i need is to make calls" bit. I dont personally know one person that wants a phone to simply make calls. I think cell phone were meant to do many things, and i personally use my phone for a lot of stuff. If i forget my calculater in math, then i can pull out my phone and do something right quick, or if i am bored on a bus ride, then i can pull out my cell phone and listen to music or play games. There are many uses for cell phones, but the iPhone just implements many of these uses way better than most phone, espacially in the internet/mp3 player catogories.

Well i agree with you, and i too am curious to see what is going to b added to the itunes store. I hadnt though of this until now, but what if they had like songs that came with ringtones or sumtin, that would be really cool. I definatly am getting this phone, and probably selling my ipod. Apple said 3rd party apps would nto be supported, but it would be cool if they had widgets on the itunes store as well.

Would be kinda funny to see you holding up a laptop to your head though.

the iphone looks freakin sweet id sell my toes to get it and possibly my fingers lol
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
oh one more thing yay widgets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I have a Blackberry and I really like it. I use the email functions, the calendaring, the contact management and so forth. BUT, if I had to give it up, I wouldn't miss that stuff all that much. Sure, it's nice to have that information with me on the road but I also have it on my laptop, on my Palm and on my desktop. Games and chat don't ring my bell.

So, I could live without everything that supposedly makes the iPhone unique. And even if I couldn't, there are dozens of great smart phones on the market that do just as much or more than iPhone for far less than half the price.

That, I think, is the primary difference between iPhone and iPod for me. I can live without all the gizmos on a smart phone. I can NOT live without iPod. The fact of the matter is that iPhone is not an iPod. It's just a fancy phone with iTunes and a little dribble of storage space. That's not enough to attract me to purchase it. And truth be told, if iPod ends up morphing into iPhone lite, I'm going to be very disappointed. I don't want my media player to be a Newton or a Palm or whatever. I want it to be a media player.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and suggest that I'm the stereotypical iPhone target but judging by all the comments here and elsewhere, I believe that iPhone is going to be a MUCH harder sell than Apple seems to think it is. iPod has a vastly broader appeal than iPhone will ever have. When iPod came along, the MP3 market sucked. There was nothing even remotely similar in terms of raw usability and sexy design on the market. iPhone faces a vastly different playing field. The competition amongst smart phone makers is fierce and there are already a ton of sexy alternatives out there. With the advent of iPhone, these other manufacturers are going to amp up their offerings in very short order. iPhone has essentially no chance of remaining a best-of-class product for any significant amount of time.

And further, there's a lot of legitimacy to the opinions of those who say that they "just want a phone." Most devices that are "just phones" already have contact management, calendaring, games, chat and so forth. Not just smart phones, but ALL phones. You don't have to pay one red cent to get a phone that makes crystal clear calls, has excellent call tracking, integrates with iCal and Address book and so forth. I'm of the opinion that unless and until there's a true convergence of devices, people are going to continue to buy MP3 players AND phones as separate devices. iPhone isn't going to change that.

Bottom line: I'm not going to buy an iPhone and personally, I think its future is very uncertain. Apple is not infallable. They can just as easily stumble as succeed. The comments I've been reading suggest that it's up in the air at this point. We'll just have to wait and see how many of these things Apple actually sells. Don't believe the hype, people. Until it's on the market and people are buying them, it's all speculation. Me? I'll stick with my Blackberry and my 5.5g iPod.

Apple is aiming for 1% of the market share worldwide. The phone also comes with a 50% markup... I highly doubt they stumble.

Apple isn't going to be rolling this out world wide, at least not at first. Look how long it took to get iPod and iTunes rolled out across the globe. You still can't get iTunes in many countries.

You also mention you have a palm and smartphone... sounds to me like an iPhone might cost just as much as both those items and perform their functions.

You're missing the point. First of all, the smart phone I have didn't cost me a dime because such phones are readily available with a service contract at steeply discounted rates. You can go to any one of the major carriers right now and get a servicable smart phone for free or next to free. As far as my Palm goes, I already own that (it cost $299) and I have no need to upgrade it any time soon. So the reality is that I paid far less for the setup I have now and iPhone offers no compelling reason to spend a bunch more money to get the same funtions in a sexier case.

The music option would be nice for listening to whats currently my most played. Not for traveling or the car but day to day when I have a half hour of downtime.

Sure, but you can get that function for a lot less money in either a phone or a Nano or any number of other MP3 players. Again, the point isn't that the iPhone doesn't have nice features. It does. But it isn't enough of an advance in the technology to make it a "must buy" device in the same way that iPod was when it came along.

Ill answer in order...

1. In a years time he would like 1% worldwide... again totally achievable.

2. What point? Comparable phones run $199.99 and your Palm is $299 along with your iPod you must have a batman utility belt look going on or very full pockets.

199.99
299.00
149.00

Grand total of 648.00 The price is not ridiculous.

3. Condensing all the above products into one would make it nice and its music/video capability makes it incomparable to any phone on the market. Size and functionality.
i completely agree but if you have an ipod and a smart phone already i would suggest you stick with that if you have one or the other than MABY you could buy i guess it depends on if either on your smart phone or ipod need an upgrade

I tend to agree, and I'm not convinced that it's going to be a viable business-class device for these reasons.

For push e-mail, I'm seriously hoping that Apple is working on something to provide Blackberry or ActiveSync like functionality for the iPhone, otherwise it really will be relegated to a device for self-employed professionals and prosumers. No mid to large-sized business with any decent IT infrastructure is going to allow your business e-mail to be accessed from this device for security and interoperability reasons.

The battery life wouldn't be too bad for only listening to music, but trying to watch videos on a cross-country flight would almost guarantee that the phone would be dead by the time you landed.

The syncing being limited to iTunes isn't a huge issue for somebody who is comfortable syncing it to a desktop rather than wirelessly. You won't get e-mail, but Outlook 2003 will be supported (through iTunes) for Calendar and Contact functionality, in much the same way that it's supported with the iPod now, except that I expect it will be a two-way sync.

yah there may not be much space at all but just wait a little and they will, oh and the os x will take up 500 mb of space leaving you 3.5 gb or 7.5 gb of space for music, video and photos

You don't know how much space the OS will take. That's pure speculation until the unit ships.

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iPhone is having trouble coming to europe

Jobs. doenst want to sell simlock free iPhones to to EU market.
He's afraid that a lot of simlock free iPhones will merge to the US market and he'll lose a lot of money on it.

Well he is already, no service provider in europe wants to go with the demands of Jobs.
They find his propositions very arogant. Jobs wants to sell the iPhone with a provider but since the iPhone is EDGE and we are all UMTS allready in Europe, the trouble begins.

Also he'll probably won't sell a dime of iPhones in Europe if he only sells it with a provider contract.

I don't know how he ever wants to get into the EU market but that way he'll never sell a damn thing. All phones and devices are sold seperatly without a provider contract.

Seems that Jobs is gonna have to bow for the EU or see a big cut in his bills this year.
Looks like Jobs isn't that good a sales man, he's strategies are lacking big time.
EU isn't US, it's a tuff market out here :).

All phone companies are laughing great in Europa now, one reason more to buy a phone and not an iPhone.

Your losing lot of millions of , trust me that's even more $ Jobs.
Don't have to talk about all the big fans.

Apple is no better than M$ in the end.
Other products, same policy. Except, M$ sales his devices in EU same as the other.

Bow Jobs or you'll break your neck on this market.

I wonder if u can buy the thing wo Cingular service. So if ur not using the phone, why force u into a contract?

However, carrying two gadgets when u can have one is tempting eh?

No you won't be able to use an iPhone unless you get the 2 year phone plan with AT&T. Without it, you'll just have an expensive iBrick.:cool:

The short answer is that nobody knows. All we know is that Rogers is almost certain to be the carrier, since it's a GSM phone.

Rumours abound about when Rogers will be carrying it, but due to the fact that as of mid-June they were "not very far" in their negotiations with Apple, it's unlikely that we'll see anything before the fall.

I have the iphone but I want to sync my FireFox NOT Internet explorer which I do not use...anyone know if this can be done somehow or if Apple will update their system to be able to sync Bookmarks from Firefox?

Thanks,
B.

wait for about 2 years for a new and improved iphone maybe cheaper and crap like that for the mean time im buying a helio ocean those things are S.W.E.E.T. and here is my list of features the iphone HAS to add before i shell out $600.00 for it:

3G support,some type of mobile itunes,5+ mega pixel camera with zoom video recorder and the ability to upload video and photo to the web and in txt msgs,flash and java support for online games like runescape (not that i play runescape),MMS,im client built in,landscape qwerty,cheaper around 3-$400.00 and all of the stuff it already has.:D EDIT:more memory around 30+ and expandable memory

Well, officially the answer would basically be no, since you have to activate the iPhone with an AT&T account before it will do anything at all.

That having been said, there are several hacks available to activate the iPhone without signing up for an AT&T account, however these initially broke the YouTube client for some reason, and I believe some folks have only recently started to figure out how to re-enable this.

Of course, without an AT&T account, you're obviously going to be confined to only being able to access the Internet on WiFi.

I love this product. Very smooth looking and simple to use(if you watched the KeyNotes). I am going to get this Iphone.

the new updated sw is it going to have flash support for the internet safari and streaming radio internet capabilities?

just asking...

My good wife has indicated that she plans to get me an iphone for Christmas and has offered to go ahead and buy it now rather than later. I wonder if Apple will offer any additional upgrades or price changes before Christmas. Should I get it now or wait until mid-Decamber?

I have a few questions

1) Do you think apple will make gps possible through an update or is that a software thing?
2) Is it true the camera can't zoom?
3) Do you think apple will make video recording possible on the next iphone?

My good wife has indicated that she plans to get me an iphone for Christmas and has offered to go ahead and buy it now rather than later. I wonder if Apple will offer any additional upgrades or price changes before Christmas. Should I get it now or wait until mid-Decamber?
The next series will be WAY better than the ones now...so if you can grit your teeth and wait a year, I think you will be way happier!! There is a ton of stuff mine cant do that drives me crazy...so it really depends on what you can deal with. It was my own implusive behavior that made me get one before researching it fully...things to keep in mind...you cant really send pictures from the iphone to another phone readily...some say it can be done, but I cannot make it work. If you receive a text message with an attachment, you have to go through a conveluded procedure to get the image. You cant save emails, store files, ringtones are locked and you have to pay twice for the songs, no gps, no video, no zoom, no flash...

Lots of cool stuff, but the bad far outwieghs the good in my opinion. In retrospect I would wait until they get this stuff fixed...I wish I had