Why does itunes corrupt MusicMatch ipod plugin

Let's just say that "I got a deal on one". Anyway and not to be rude, but what's that got to do with my post?

musicmatch can export songs from ipod to the computer. itunes cannot.

Originally posted by danothemano
"I don't think iTunes disables other software by design, it does something to the iTunes DB that other programs simply can not read"

Okay, if not by design it's just BAD programming then.

"either way...it's apple's hardware, and apple's software"

That's sort of a unintelligent thing to say now isn't it.

"why would you want to use that horrid piece of software anyway?"

I find MMJB to be one of the best in it's class. I like itunes but find MMJB to have many features lacking in itunes.

Bad programming? Do you know anything about programming? iTunes sync's in like 10seconds, where all other products take a number of minutes (not much to be said for efficency eh), and as far as I know, iTunes is the only program that can put dynamically updating smartlists on an iPod, the only other piece of software that comes close is MC9, but their smart lists don't update dynamically. MMJB (unless something has changed) does NOT use the iPod's rating or playcounts, this information is all contained in the iTunes DB, not the mp3 file it's self...this is probably a contributing factor to MMJB not being able to read the iPod, it doesn't understand these fields (I could be wrong, I'm just speculating, but I do know this info is in the iTunes DB).

Now, perhaps you could explain why what I said was unintelligent, it's not up to apple to support MMJB, it works the other way around. MMJB is very far from the best in it's class, I didn't use it for more then a couple days because the interface is horrid, syncing is slow at best, and I just found it to generally suck, and this isn't just my opinion, many many people dislike that particular piece of software. What features other then pod -> pc transfers, is iTunes missing, which MMJB has?

Yes Spoonman why are you not addressing the issue? Why does itunes disable MMJB from attaching to ipod? If you simply don?t know then I understand because I don?t know either. I?ve written to Apple and have received no response.

?Now, perhaps you could explain why what I said was unintelligent?
You said, ?it's apple's hardware, and apple's software,? very unintelligent as well as childish statement. That?s like saying, ?it?s my ball and either play by my rules or I?m going home?.

It?s my understanding that selling ipods is one of Apples big money earners. The music store and itunes is a way to sell more. So if true I think it would be in Apples best interest to make sure ipod functions worked in other programs, and NOT to purposely disable function in other programs. I don?t know, maybe Apple is just afraid of the competition. But if ipod is the best and at the right price it won?t matter they will continue to sell ipod in great numbers.

And yes, my ipod works best in itunes but it worked fine in MMJB as well. In fact the only reason I keep itunes is because of that reason and to have another online music source. Hey if you don?t like MMJB then don?t use it, millions of people use it and like it. But to be very honest I could live without itunes altogether.

Now this is sort of silly I know but one thing I don?t like about itunes is the interface, it looks just like an Excel Spreadsheet to me, heck maybe that?s all it is. I work in Excel all the time and when I come home I?m sick of spreadsheets. :)

Oh! I forgot, on my system music played in MMJB sounds better than any other program I've tried... and to me that's really the MOST important thing...

I'll say it again...it's MMJB's responsibility (the people who make it at least) to make MMJB work with the iPod, which they do, but if you use MMJB you can't use iTunes, and vice versa. My ASSUMPTION, is iTunes disables MMJB from accessing the iPod to prevent the iTunes DB from becoming corrupt (in which case we all loose) if iTunes did not disable MMJB, and MMJB accessed the pod, and corrupted the DB, you'd be on here complaining about how MMJB corrupted your database, try looking at the situation from more then one angle. Unless the folks who make MMJB, and Apple, make their respective programs read / write information to the iPod in exactly the same manner (all situations must be taken into account) you will never be able to use both, without the possibility of one of the programs doing something the other does not like.

Spoonman I think your really missing the whole point here, but be that as it may. FYI: In itunes I selected "Manually manage songs and playlist". I do this for one to prevent conflicts with ipod and MMJB and it works to some extent. I uninstalled itunes reloaded MMJB ipod plugin and ALL things I added to ipod in itunes were there. I then added songs in MMJB reloaded itunes and all was well. EXCEPT no sync in MMJB.

Now it's obvious to me that you think this is okay and that Apple has every right to do this, well I don't.

Another point I?d like to make is let?s say I go and buy a DVD burner from Sony and all of a sudden Sony say's, oh sorry but now you can't use this device in any software but our software. Would that be okay with you? Or, this is even better, what if MICROSOFT did this, WOW! never hear the end of that.

Anyway, for now I?ll use itunes for ipod (not that I have any choice) but most definitely use MMJB for most everything else.

Thanks for your comments

Quick question:

In iTunes, on the iPod Options dialog, do you have Enable Firewire Disk Mode" checked?

Because if not, MMJB won't see the iPod.

And as far as iTunes disabling MMJB's iPod Plugin. Well, we know that firmware 2.1 removes iPod Manager which is what's used to auto-launch MMJB, so that functionality will be history. But MMJB should still work fine.

Most definitely, you will not be able to upload to the iPod w/MMJB and w/iTunes at the same time. These two programs populate the iPod's database very differently. You can switch between the two programs, but not use both at the same time.

Hope that makes sense.

BTW: I agree w/you that iTunes sounds horrid played through my PC compared w/other programs.

Adam

Thanks Adam,
In iTunes, on the iPod Options dialog, do you have Enable Firewire Disk Mode" checked?
Yes I have disk mode checked, also I have 1.3 firmware version and it/them/whoever also removes and/or disables ipod in MMJB.

MMJB works fine with itunes installed just can't use ipod in MMJB. In fact I've downloaded entire albums from MMJB music store while I was also downloading from Apples store.
Most definitely, you will not be able to upload to the iPod w/MMJB and w/iTunes at the same time
Okay, I could live with that, but I find it hard to understand why Apple DISABLES MMJB ipod functions all together.

Now maybe I'm really missing something here, so okay, I can understand if I have itunes open and my ipod is active that I can't use ipod in another app. But if I decide to close itunes I should beable to open MMJB and then connect to ipod. I just don't see the reasoning behind Apples decision to disable ipod in MMJB.

Now let me ask this, is anyone able to use ipod in ANY MMJB type program while itunes is installed?

In closing, thanks for all your comments and maybe someday Apple will find time to explain to me ...why...

Have you tried emailing them and asking

yes... twice