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Flaky ipod, now its stone dead

I bought a 3rd gen 10gb ipod from the local Apple store on Sunday. Monday I had a chance to really get it open and play with it. Out of the box it worked fine, though, of course, it had no music on it, so it was basically a pretty toy. I charged it for a few hours, then plugged it into my laptop's firewire port. It recognized the drive immediately, and as Windows (running W2k) couldn't read it, I did a quick format as Fat32. After resetting it, Windows and Ephpod recognized it fine.

I let Ephpod do the initialization / folder thingy. I then spent several hours loading mp3s onto my ipod. When I had done enough for a "trial run", I went to the taskbar, and stopped the ipod via the eject/unplug icon, and the ipod screen displayed "Okay to disconnect" with the giant checkmark.

This is where everything started to go wrong.

I plugged it into the power adapter (as my firewire port doesn't do charging), and figured I'd let it sit another few hours, to get the battery back to fully charged, after so much HD activity with loading songs. After about an hour I walked by and looked at it, and it still said "Okay to disconnect", and nothing I could say or do would make it think that it had been disconnected. So I reset it. At that point, I got the Apple logo, followed by the Folder/Exclamation point dreaded screen. It turned itself off, and I left it overnight, plugged in, figuring I'd deal with it the next day.

Well, no harm, no foul. It was Tuesday, and I was home sick. After looking around online, I figured I might as well bite the bullet and do a restore. I still had all my mp3s on my laptop, so it was just a matter of spending another hour or two reloading the music. I installed just about everything off the Apple CD, except the Audible.com stuff. I ran the updater, did the restore, and it finished, saying that I should go plug it into the adapter to let the firmware refresh.

I did the standard taskbar device disconnect thing, and again got the "okay to disconnect" stuck message. It was about this time I noticed the screen had a "dark mark" at the top center of the screen. When'd that happen? I figured I'd give the firmware a chance, despite the fact that it thought it was still connected to happy firewire land. This time I left it for several hours, and when I came back, yes, the message was still there. I was afraid now of getting serious screen burn-in, so I did a reset.

And I got the Apple logo.

I realize now that I should have tried to force it into firewire mode. Instead, in my geeky anger, I reset it again. Mea culpa. And that was the end of my tiny, rebellious ipod. From purchase to clinical death in <48 hours.

I looked around online. I left it charging for 24 hours. No go. I unplugged it and tried to let the battery drain. At first, pressing the buttons did absolutely nothing. Maybe 6 hours later, I could hear its "death rattle"...a faint electronic screeching, at different pitches depending on what buttons I pushed, and an occasional lapse into the squeak and chatter of the hard drive. Repetitive squeaks and chatters. I work in IT support, and I feared it was the all-too-familiar sound of a dead or dying hard drive. But despite the fact that it was making sounds, there was nothing on the display, no backlight, and no drive recognition when I plugged it into my laptop.

This morning, it was deathly quiet; I figured it had finally drained the battery. I left it plugged in all day, hoping that maybe it was the resurrection trick, but no. Still stone dead.

So tonight I'll take it back to the Apple store where I purchased it, and politely ask for a new one in exchange. If I had gotten it to work at all, to the point where I could have listened to *some* music, I'd send it to Apple and wait for a replacement. But I think this has been a lemon since day one. And if they refuse to exchange it, then I may just ask for a refund, and debate if I want to try my luck with a 20gb 2nd gen refurb (yes, I know there are horror stories about those, too, but the touchwheel is a little neurotic, even for my small hands) or just save up another few $$ and go for something like an iRiver or a Rio Karma. (I know it's practically blasphemy to talk about other mp3 devices here, but a friend has one to test, and has nothing but good things to say about the Karma, and I really, really have tried to get this ipod to work)

So that's my tale. I don't expect that anyone will come up with suggestions that I haven't tried, so I guess this is more of a FYI. Chalk it up to another 3g that left the factory floor not quite ready for prime time.

-Maddy

PS - Sorry about the rambling. I tend to do that. Again, mea culpa.
[4855 byte] By [Madelaine] at [2007-11-9 14:21:14]
# 1 Re: Flaky ipod, now its stone dead
Maddy:

Great post and welcome to the 'lounge. ;)

I must say you are the most well informed first timer that I've ever seen here. Nicely done.

I think you're probably right in returning it--it seems to me that there have been a number of 3rd geners recently that have make it past the QC guys in the Toshiba factory.

And I really don't have many suggestions as you've obviously researched well and done your homework. You did everything right as far as I can tell.

Question: during the Restore process, did you ever see the progress bar on the iPod when you connected it to the AC adatpor (you know, after the updater asks you to disconnect from the PC and connect to a powered source)? If not, that means the firmware didn't flash properly.

Anyway, good luck and let us know how it works out.

PS: You're not alone, I tend to ramble too. :D

Adam
ashawley at 2007-11-15 17:05:02 >
# 2 Re: Flaky ipod, now its stone dead
Thanks for the welcome. :) I'm a geek by trade, and an obsessive researcher by nature, so I tend to do more research than strictly necessary before buying any new gear.

When I did the restore, my ipod never said anything except "Do Not Disconnect" and then "Okay to Disconnect". That's why I ended up resetting it after a couple of hours, and possibly putting the final nail in the coffin.

As a follow-up, I packaged everything back up last night and took it to the Apple store. One of their "techs" looked at it to confirm it was truly toast (looked like he basically tried to do a couple of resets) and then they were happy to exchange it for a brand new one. They offered to let me open the box and check that the new one was working, but we had dinner waiting to be picked up, so I declined.

Once we got home, I cracked open the box, and turned it on. I got the Apple screen and nothing else. At that point, I was ready to throw in the towel, but I decided instead to plug it in and see if I could "shake" it out of its stupor. I learned a trick. :) In order to get it to reset, and thus get to force it into disk mode, I had to move the hold switch, *wait a few seconds*, switch it back, and then do the reset combo. It worked like a charm. I decided to let the Apple software do the initial setup, rather than doing a W2k Fat32 format. Fired up Ephpod, loaded up about 100 songs for a trial run, saved, closed Ephpod (at this point, it crashed, but I believe that's "normal behavior"), did the taskbar disconnect, and unplugged the ipod once I got the Okay to Disconnect message.

And that's where it stayed. I was worried I had ruined another one. ;) It took me a few minutes to work up the courage to reset it. It went: reset...Apple logo... (brain starts screaming)... MENU! Hooray!

So now all I need are the requisite accessories...case, car charger, casette adapter, etc. ;)

BTW, when I took it into the Apple store, the tech said that they were seeing a lot of problems with the newer 3G ipods, and that quality was kind of "hit or miss". So it seems like they're aware that there are problems, at least at a local level.

-Maddy
Madelaine at 2007-11-15 17:06:02 >
# 3 Re: Flaky ipod, now its stone dead
Your experiences sound just like mine! The replacement unit I received worked entirely different than the original unit. Makes you wonder if they even check them out before they go out the door at the factory. My replacement unit is still a little flaky; sometimes locks in the ?Apple logo stage?, for awhile, before releasing into the main menu. It always comes back with enough resets, however.

Love the way the unit operates, and sounds, when it?s right. Don?t know what I?d do without my iPod when enduring my three-hour ?doctors visits?.
:)
Oldandslow at 2007-11-15 17:07:11 >
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