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How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers

I was wondering if iTunes has any advantages over Media Center when it comes to smartlists. Any disadvantages?
Thanks,
CP
[132 byte] By [CptanPanic] at [2007-11-9 15:33:56]
# 1 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
Disadvantages == less powerful criteria.

iTunes' Smartlists can't: Apply sorting by rule (you must apply sorting by clicking on column heads in the list view); sort a smartlist randomly (MC9 == ~sort=Random) Use "is empty" as a criteria Pull all tracks from a listed album (MC9 == ~a) Handle within-criteria "AND" and "OR" operators -- Can't do "Rock or Pop, 4 stars"; you get all rock, all pop, and all 4-star songs Refresh the contents of "at random" or "limited" smartlists without deleting/recreating the smartlist (or without using Playcount- or LastPlayed-based rules that you may not want to use) Fill smartlists from a given playlist, rather than from the library in general (MC9 == playlistid==xxxxxx) Use the existance/non-existance of album art as a criteria (MC9 == ImageFile=[1]) -- Useful for finding which of your songs need art stillMC9's Smartlists can't: Use "contains" as an operator -- Useful for typing in "Rock" and getting "Punk Rock", "Hard Rock", "Grunge Rock" and etc
c.c.r. at 2007-11-15 16:45:39 >
# 2 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
But...iTunes smartlists update dynamically on the iPod, without needing to synch!!!

Pretty darn cool...
Macavity at 2007-11-15 16:46:39 >
# 3 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
I think MC9 and iTunes smart lists managed differently. iTunes uses iPod firmware capability, there is some rule limitation in opposite to MC9 software based smart lists.
MOCKBA at 2007-11-15 16:47:38 >
# 4 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
Expanded typing:

"Refresh the contents of "at random" or "limited" smartlists without deleting/recreating the smartlist (or without using Playcount- or LastPlayed-based rules that you may not want to use)"

Let me elaborate. Let's say that we want 1 song by Pearl Jam, picked at random. This smartlist can be made in MC9 and in iTunes.

In MC9, every time you go to that smartlist, it will refresh the smartlist and give you a different Pearl Jam song. This means that every time you synch your iPod, you get a new song... every time you even click on the smarlist, you get a new song.

In iTunes, the one song that it picks is, forever and ever, the one song that's on the list.

The workaround has been "So, put in a 'Last Played' or 'Playcount' modifier... that'll make it so that when you play the one song it has, it will change up". This is not acceptable. I don't want to factor in criteria that I don't want to factor in!! I want one freakin' Pearl Jam song. Period. I don't want one Pearl Jam song that hasn't been played in a week. I don't want one Pearl Jam song that has a playcount of 0. I want one Pearl Jam song, pulled at random from my library.

Workaround #2: Delete the smartlist. Recreate it. iTunes will pick a different song. I assume you see how lame that workaround is, aye? :-)
c.c.r. at 2007-11-15 16:48:43 >
# 5 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
Kurt missed a few key ones (IMO).

iTunes Smartlists Can't:

Check for duplicates in a smartlist. MC9 has a "No Dupe" modifier which allows you to specify what you consider to be a duplicate (i.e. Artist/Song Name or just Song Name)
iTunes doesn't support custom fields, as such you can't use these in smartlists (which can be very handy in creating lists of tunes based off of other ways in which you organize your media).

Adam
ashawley at 2007-11-15 16:49:40 >
# 6 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
Ipod sorts your smartlists in a haphazard way on the ipod. Once a song meets criteria for a smartlist, you can't specify how you want smartlist sorted.

I.e., play my top 10 songs, with first song listed first, 10th listed 10th.

I will not stay in order on the ipod.

Only sorts once when you sync back with itunes. Then it's out of order again.
pufftissue at 2007-11-15 16:50:50 >
# 7 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
Originally posted by c.c.r.

The workaround has been "So, put in a 'Last Played' or 'Playcount' modifier... that'll make it so that when you play the one song it has, it will change up". This is not acceptable. I don't want to factor in criteria that I don't want to factor in!! I want one freakin' Pearl Jam song. Period. I don't want one Pearl Jam song that hasn't been played in a week. I don't want one Pearl Jam song that has a playcount of 0. I want one Pearl Jam song, pulled at random from my library.


I have the same type of smartlist, but I added LastPlayed that hasn't been played in the last day. This may be unacceptable to you, but not to me.

I personally like that it doesn't remove tunes from the list until you listen to them (or, more specifically, they no longer meet the criteria of the smartlist). The dynamic aspect is fantastic.

Its nice to not be forced to sync up just to refresh a smartlist. I have a "Drive Home" smartlist that is limited to 40 minutes of my faves...when I got stuck in major gridlock the other day, I exceeded the 40 minutes. All I had to do was select "Drive Home" again, and I had a fresh batch of tunes calming my nerves. :D

Some of the other limitations are much harder to live with, in my opinion.

To each his own. I, for one, am just happy that Windows iPodders actually have two great apps to choose between. (I never considered MusicMatch a real option, and I want an all-in-one solution) Each have their pros and cons, but we get to make the choice.

Mac
Macavity at 2007-11-15 16:51:43 >
# 8 Re: How do iTunes smartlists compare to Media Centers
Yeah, I'd agree with that. MC9's smartlists are much more robust, and actually easier to create, which is kind of suprising, as Itunes is a much more basic program.

But I like the dynamic playlist thing so much, I've stripped down my smartlists a bit so they'd fit Itunes, and I've taken advantage of the comment field--by doing this, I can make essentially the same smartlists I was using in MC9. It's a bunch more work than is necessary; MC9's model for smartlists is definitely better, but the dynamic smartlists are so friggin' handy I'm willing to put up with it, for now--now, if MC9 get's dynamic playlists, then I'll be going back to it--I'm hoping and waiting, with fingers crossed...MC9's file management is much more powerful, and I really miss that. But at the moment, the dynamic playlists are the things that are getting my attention...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 16:52:47 >
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