iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I wanted to, I really wanted to switch to iTunes to complement my iPod.
But I don't have nerves to deal with this piece of garbage.
I have several hundred tunes in the library.
I am trying to uncheck all the tunes (<ctrl> click on check) and
iTunes thinks and thinks and thinks, memory consumption goes to over 400Mb !!!! and crashes at the end. Tried on several computers, the same thing. And believe me I know how to setup a computer, software etc. Been doing it for years. That's my job too.
Application that needs several processes running, using over 20% of CPU on idle, over hundreds of MB, give me a break.
Believe me people, it doesn't have nothing to do with your computers, CPU's, memory and settings, this application is simply one of the "Worst Windows App ever written".
"The best Windows App ever writen" ?? What a joke.
Sure, I AM THE MOST HANDSOME GUY EVER BORN too.
Piece of advice Apple programmers:
If you don't know how to program on Windows -- then DON'T !!!!
iTunes goes 'bye bye', I will maybe check version 5 and up.
As I said before, I really wanted to.
Frustrated...
[1221 byte] By [
Cpk] at [2007-11-9 15:17:40]
# 1 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Tried on several computers, the same thing. And believe me I know how to setup a computer, software etc. Been doing it for years. That's my job too.
If you're job is computers and iTunes does what you say it does, then I never want to touch a computer you worked on.
SteveB at 2007-11-15 16:46:03 >
# 2 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I wouldn't let YOU touch a computer I worked on either...
Cpk at 2007-11-15 16:47:03 >
# 3 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
iTunes for Windows is working faultlessly on thousands of machines. That's a fact. Cpk, I'm sorry you haven't been able to get it working for you - it's a great piece of software.
# 4 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
It works great on 3 machines for me but that doesn?t mean we can dismiss the fact that a great deal of other people have reported an unnecessary amount of resource consumption on their machines. Many of which have very good specs and should run the app flawlessly.
For one reason or another this app likes some machines and not other. Insulting Cpk because it doesn?t work on his machine really doesn?t make much sense. It really has little do with whether Cpk does tech work for a living or if his machine is "setup" correctly for this app. Point is apps like iTunes which are made for the general public shouldn?t need to be "setup" at all.
An app like this needs a minimum spec to run and then you run the executable to install, that?s it, end of story. If a tech savvy person can't handle controlling resource consumption on their PC how is some 15 year old girl trying to download the latest Jessica Simpson supposed to work with it.
Personally I like iTunes a lot and think it will only get better but to deny that it doesn?t perform well on a number of machines is to turn a blind eye to a problem that many have reported with a steady degree of consistency.
I just hope Apple corrects these problems quickly so everyone gets a chance to experience iTunes the way it was mean to be experienced.
# 5 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I wonder if Cpk is using the lastest update (4.1.1?). Frankly, I don't care how much resources it needs 'cause when I'm using it, that's all the computer is doing. It can have it all if it wants. And, unlike others, I also don't give a da*n if I have to restart when it's done. No biggie; I just go get another cup of coffee or kiss my wife or something.
I'm beginning to think people's expectations of software and the computers it runs on are getting a bit out of hand. But, that's just me.....
# 6 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Well I think there is more to it than that--nobody has figured it out. That's great that it's working for you--it's working great for me and my relatively primitive computer, but that doesn't negate the fact that many people, some with fairly impressive desktops, are having significant problems. I hope that the issues people are having get resolved, and I truly believe they exist, despite the fact that its working flawlessly for me...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 16:51:08 >
# 7 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
My expectation is that a program works, and it doesn't take half a day to do that. iTunes dosen't really do that too well. I just hope they fix the problem, because I know its not the users problem, thats the easiest way out of any computer related problems, blame the user.
Adam at 2007-11-15 16:52:13 >
# 8 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I wonder why on earth it doesn't consume an inordinate amount of CPU cycles on my machine? I'm playing a song from my library as I type this and the CPU column of my task manager is hovering around 2% for iTunes (total CPU usage is 10% for all processes). It is using 35MB of RAM, though - but I have 1GB total, so that shouldn't be a problem.
# 9 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Originally posted by jhansman
I wonder if Cpk is using the lastest update (4.1.1?). Frankly, I don't care how much resources it needs 'cause when I'm using it, that's all the computer is doing. It can have it all if it wants. And, unlike others, I also don't give a da*n if I have to restart when it's done. No biggie; I just go get another cup of coffee or kiss my wife or something.
I'm beginning to think people's expectations of software and the computers it runs on are getting a bit out of hand. But, that's just me.....
I would understand if Cpk was complaining the iTunes did not have every feature he ever wanted in a music management system and you thought his expectations were unreasonable. But an app is not supposed to take up so many CPU cycles that it renders all other functionality on the PC practically unusable.
When you spend the money for a computer that has a gig of RAM a 3 gig proc and probably at least 40 gigs of HD space you would expect that a jukebox app wouldn?t grind that PC to a halt.
That?s not an unreasonable expectation, that?s just good coding.
If I had the issues that Cpk and many others were having I wouldn?t be too thrilled with Apple's port over to Windows either.
# 10 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
What are you talking about? Itunes uses 1-2% of my CPU right know, when I'm playing music. It uses 28 mb of ram (I agree, that's too much). In three hours, the CPU time used for it is 4 minutes.
I have a Athlon 1.4 GHz, not fast at all.
iTunes uses too much CPU and RAM, but 20% in idle and 100 MB+ is just bull####.
Erty at 2007-11-15 16:55:12 >
# 11 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Yeah, when its just decoding music it isn't that bad, its an average program. But when I scroll through my music or resize the sidebar, then funny things start happening:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajpodnar/3.gif
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajpodnar/5.gif
Adam at 2007-11-15 16:56:10 >
# 12 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Do you know whats funny, I was about to say iTunes works perfectly for me, which it does, but I did notice something strange. When I try to resize the iTunes window, while I'm resizing the iTunes CPU usage jumps to 99%, but the music doesn't skip, and the cpu usage returns to 2% when i release the mouse button. Very odd indeed and I'm running it on an Athon 3000+ XP with 1 gig of ram. Apple's Windows Coding is obviously not the best, but then again Microsoft's Windows Coding isn't the greatest either. Look at how many versions of Windows they had to release just to get a decently stable operating system.
# 13 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
you guys all make me sick with your 1 gig RAM. I have 384 megs on my old clunker but fortunately for me, iTunes seems to run okay.
Podunk at 2007-11-15 16:58:16 >
# 14 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
A gig of ram is really not expensive. Its only like $120 or so and thats for pretty good ram. Check out pricewatch sometime, ram is ridiculously cheap compared to the old days when 4megs would run you $120.
# 15 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Just because it is inexpensive doesn't mean it?s an option for everybody. Believe it or not many people have caps on how much RAM their system can support. Sad but true.
I remember an old Dell I used to have that was capped at 64. What?s even stranger is I remmeber when I thought that was plenty!! ;)
# 16 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Bah! (not to hijack a thread or anything) but I remember upgrading to 16MB from 8 and thinking that now I had a powerful PC.
Hey, the HDD only was like 500MB. Whaddya want. ;)
And let's not ever go back to the Commodore64 days. :D
ADam
# 17 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
So how much do you want for your Atari?
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:02:19 >
# 18 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I'm never letting go of my atari.
That reminds me, I haven't used that in months.
SteveB at 2007-11-15 17:03:23 >
# 19 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Hey, I started in this computer business when I got my Commodore 64 from Target for $199.
I got it home and it was 1/2 hour before I realized that I couldn't save the program I just typed in, so had to go back and get the Data Cassette drive!
# 20 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I sometimes wonder whether all these people moaning about what a resource hog ITunes is are in fact running Seti in the background or something like that then they look at the Resource monitor and go "Wow 100% CPU!" it must be ITunes...
loGan at 2007-11-15 17:05:24 >
# 21 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Obviously, Cpk, you don't have the needed windows skills to make iTunes work. :D
# 22 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Originally posted by jhansman
I also don't give a da*n if I have to restart when it's done. No biggie; I just go get another cup of coffee or kiss my wife or something.
Well that's you. Most people don't like it if the computer crashes. :)
# 23 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Originally posted by sparks9
Obviously, Cpk, you don't have the needed windows skills to make iTunes work. :D
Yep, I also don't have needed driving skills to make "Chevy Chevette" go 160 MPH... :)
Cpk at 2007-11-15 17:08:29 >
# 24 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
i have a fairly recent gateway laptop (450sl). (it has no trouble running diablo 2...heh.) and i have the most recent version of itunes.
i like itunes overall. but i am having a problem that is WRECKING my experience.
itunes will just slow down majorly...we're talking 10-20 second pauses.
i only have 1700 songs in my library.
is there a known fix?
# 25 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Originally posted by sparks9
Well that's you. Most people don't like it if the computer crashes. :)
I think he meant when the installer was done, since many people are complaining that iTunes needs a reboot after it installs.
SteveB at 2007-11-15 17:10:32 >
# 26 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
Yeah.. I'm having the same type of problem. Initially (like first few tries) iTunes seemed fine. Now when I dock the pod iTunes launches.. then sits there for litterally minutes,it does recogonize the iPod, says it is updating. During this time I can do NOTHING on my PC, everything is hung. Eventually iTunes just stops and my PC is OK. BUT... the iPod didn't update with any of the changes. Despite everyone's comments here, there is SOME problem with iTunes... I run many, many apps with no problems. And yes, I could have a "strange" configuration, but I doubt it. Sounds like quite a few folks are having the same problem.
Kent
# 27 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
I'm busy ripping with iTunes and playing from the library. So far I'm up to about 1400 songs and iTunes runs great, I have zero issues with hanging or slow downs.
At the moment, I don't have an iPod (soon I keep telling myself)
I'm running a fully patched up Windows XP Pro with 512Mb memory and an Athlon 1700XP. The only thing I have turned off is the iTunes store at the moment.
I'm in the business of automating software installations on many thousands of PCs and I can tell you all one thing for certain, sometimes, applications will fail on some systems, mostly, they will work 99.9% of the time. When they fail, it is normally to do with two applications that are trying to use different versions of a similarly named DLL. In the past, there was a favourite file that was often 'conflicted' by different applications in the old 16bit Windows, that was the comctrl.dll. It is fairly likely that people with problems have some other piece of software that is making iTunes misbehave.
The cause of this could be Apple doing something 'out of the ordinary' like bypassing the Windows API (see Stark23s comment), or it could be some other application that is having an undesireable effect on iTunes itself.
Sadly, the only way to try to find the cause is to reinstall your system from scratch and gradually add each application you use while testing in between that iTunes is still OK, unfortunately, removing apps one by one doesn't always achieve the same result as newer DLLs or drivers that may be behind the cause are often left behind during the deinstallation.
No real solution, but I hope the possible causes may be clearer...
# 28 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
iTunes a piece of garbage?
I have to agree. Every audio program I've installed on my laptop has worked with my DVD drive, except for iTunes.
iTunes won't play CD's, and won't rip/encode anything. My computer is not that old. So iTunes is pretty much worthless to me. Apple has a lot of work to do.
If every other program like this works with my system, it tells me that my system is just fine. I have XP Pro, patched, with the latest drivers.
Apple will have to sail through a few more versions of their software before it's useful to a lot of us.
What a shame. I hope they can work out the problems. And fix the firewall/no entry into the iTMS problem as well.
One at 2007-11-15 17:13:34 >
# 29 Re: iTunes is the worst piece of garbage !
in the end, i punted.
i switched to ephpod. it's awesome. also, i now use EAC + LAME to rip and encode.
problem solved.
