Apple Computer plans on Wednesday to release an updated version of its iTunes pr

I don't believe it has... Good find there.

I just had a -terrifying- ten minutes after installing iTunes on the machine of She Who Must Be Obeyed - who needs it for work tonight, as well as having plenty of work done since her last backup on there. The post-install reboot appeared to hang for about five minutes, but it was just defragmenting one of the registry hives. I was just about to go down and tell her, when the desktop finally came up. Thank GOD.

One week after the release of the "Best Windows App ever" they already are releasing an update? Nice job testing iTunes before the release, Apple.

Originally posted by wickerbill
One week after the release of the "Best Windows App ever" they already are releasing an update? Nice job testing iTunes before the release, Apple.

Yeah, like Microsoft and its various third party developers do it any differently. :rolleyes:

If you're going to make a cocky statement like Jobs did then you need to expect some flack when it has quite a few initial problems. iTunes isn't the best music software I've ever used and it's far from the best windows app ever. Some of you need to lighten up and take Apple off the pedestal you have them on.

Originally posted by Jliao
What's a better program to sync ipod on windows thus far?

uh...ephpod...musicmatch...anything that doesn't have the bug of putting all the mp3's in only one directory on the ipod like the first version of iTunes for windows.
(see: http://ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11609)

Granted, they may have fixed that with this new version

Originally posted by Jliao
O I see..

The link above for the new version is dead. I've tried using the "Check for update on iTunes", but it says mine is current even tho it says 4.1.0 :(

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5095039.html

"Customers who download iTunes from Apple's site will now get the updated version. By tomorrow, those who check for iTunes updates from within the program's "Help" menu will be directed to the 4.1.1 update. Over the next week, Apple plans to send a notification of the update to all Internet-connected users of iTunes for Windows. "

I would recommend not jumping to conclusion to quickly about Apple and already having an update. Perfection is only an illusion, not a reality, and that includes the world of softwares. I work in computer software research and development and see how it is.

The Microsoft comparison is a good one I'd say... I can actually bring even more meat to this... I have discovered many flaws in Windows XP Home SP1 and opened a trouble ticket which has been open since February 2003 and remains unsolved. I now have one of Microsoft's Technical Lead contacting me trying to get things working right. On the other end, we have Apple which have no real thourough experience coding Win32 applications which took on the challenge of porting their media application, iTunes. Simply achieving that to what it was at it's launch was a very good step in the right direction. It turned out that iTunes didn't fully work on my 2 home computers. I submitted bug reports during the week-end with all my findings through testing, diagnosis as well as trials and errors.

Yesterday I got contacted by a gentleman from Apple asking if I would be willing to help if he got some Apple engineers on the matter to fix the issue I had in common with many others. I accepted and they already sent me set of batch tests to run on my problematic machines to pin-point the problem so they can fix it as quick as possible. So far, this looks like much quicker response than the Redmon's giant. Even though I haven't had the chance to try the new update and run the test, I have a much greater feeling of trust that iTunes WILL end up working on my machines... I can't say as much about Windows XP Home SP1...

If another example is required, I suggest that if you own a logitech keyboard or mouse supporting iTouch, install their provided drivers or even the very latest one and see for yourself what happens to your Windows XP system. There is a known unresolved flaw which has been there forever which we do not know if Logitech or Microsoft is more guilty!

ToddW, as an MC9 user, for what reasons do you like iTunes over MC9? I'm an MC9 user myself, and having played with iTunes, I don't see any benefit in switching now that I have already paid my $$$ to J. River.

Originally posted by wickerbill
One week after the release of the "Best Windows App ever" they already are releasing an update? Nice job testing iTunes before the release, Apple.

Please learn the difference between marketing and reality. Watch tv for an hour watching all of the commericals closely. They all make ridiculous claims.

I feel there's a certain amount of humor to that statement. And that anyone who believes it or feels that Apple truly meant it needs to wake up.

It?s a case of not being able to make everyone happy. If Apple didn?t release an update people would complain they could care less about the software because it is PC based and they are dropping the ball.

Now they release an update in a week?s time and they made false claims about its quality.

Personally I think iTunes for Windows is a good start but could use a number of improvements in addition to bug fixes. I am thrilled to see Apple moving quickly to do just that. Let?s hope this kind of attention and support continues.

Wickerbill,

Dude come on, mac cultist. Lets wake up and smell the coffee here. You are talking about some stuff from the 80's. A platform is a platform pure and simple. No one is better than the other. I am pretty sure you haven't given iTunes any extensive testing have you. Unless you have used the application for awhile and given it a true chance you are simple given a "first look opinion". iTunes give people an alternative application to interface with their iPod and legally purchase music online, rather than stealing it. I am downloading two albums from iTunes as I write this to give the program the benefit. One thing iTunes is way better than MMJB!

Originally posted by Jliao
O I see..

The link above for the new version is dead. I've tried using the "Check for update on iTunes", but it says mine is current even tho it says 4.1.0 :(

u may go to Apple to download, or u may use link i posted above, just edit, so it's gonna be work now.

And no one has asked the question yet: Will this resolve the "all files in a single folder bug" I'm dying to know...

Adam

Heres the link to the thread Adam:

http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12520

Originally posted by wickerbill

As for your argument that a large portion of the listening community has moved to legal digital music downloads, you are so far off it's not even funny. The percent of legal downloaded music is a VERY small percentage of the overall music sales in the US. This industry is still in the very early stages and has many, many years of high growth before they will even catch up with CD sales. If the music industry thinks they can get away with charging 90% of the price of a CD for 50% of the product then it's going to take quite a while for that to happen. The average person doesn't want to have to burn a CD so they can listen to the music they just bought in their car.

Slow down a second. You have definitely misunderstood what I meant by digital music and its move into the music community. What I said was "Your argument that CD's are a better buy than digital music is not a new one, and not necessarily wrong either, but it has been bypassed by a good portion of the music listening community."
I never intended to lead anyone to believe that "legal" music downloads have outpaced CD sales. I apologize if it came out that way. Above all what I am trying to say is that digital sales will continue to increase and CD sales will continue to slump and unless there is some drastic changes in the music industry the current market indicates this. With the advent of digital music the CD has become the less desirable format to obtain music, legally or otherwise. Without a doubt the 60 million P2P users on the net have much to do with the drop in CD sales. And with sales of 14 million plus from iTunes alone it is clear that no other segment of the music market is growing as fast as digital music.

Again your arguments for CD's are not wrong but the move towards digital music has been so strong the last 5 years and with the recent releases of legal digital music sales that purchasing CD's has little hope of remaining the preferred way of obtaining new music.

So my argument isn?t that digital music dominates the entire industry now but much like when CD's came around and knocked cassettes off their pedestal, and DVD's did the same to video tapes, digital music is the next step in musical evolution.

And like all new technologies qualities, price, method of distribution and selection (which rightfully so you have pointed out as lacking at the moment and is my biggest gripe with these services to date) will undergo transformations bringing the best product to the masses for what we hope is a reasonable price point over time. It?s the natural development cycle of any new product offering.

I am still impressed you are able to buy CD's, even at Best Buy which has relatively reasonable prices, from popular bands for 10 bucks. In most cases the cheapest CD?s I find are for 12 and that?s a find. But if you say so then I believe you (I must admit my CD purchases have dropped off in recent months, so if prices have dropped to the $10 range I have not seen it)
Fact is when ever anyone discusses CD sales and the high prices of the metallic coasters the numbers always hover around 15 to 20 bucks. So at 10 dollars an album you are getting a 25 to 50% savings. That is impressive.
Personally I find the AAC quality to be quite good, the price (at least at this stage in the game) to be fair and digital music for the first time in a long time has made me interested in music again.

Exuberant prices and sub par offerings along with P2P, easily accessible copying methods, and no legal alternative for obtaining digital music have contributed to the rise in piracy and the collapse of CD sales. Services such as iTunes and Napster 2.0 are the first steps in the antidote to reviving the music industry. You can either choose to embrace it or choose to fight it. But that won't stop where it is going.

Sorry for misunderstanding your post. I agree it's growing the most, but it remains to be seen how popular it will be in the long term with the average user. I bought a few files just to try it out and there are probably quite a bit of people that will do the same without switching over to digital downloads. There are also quite a few people who don't use computers much, use dial-up, or are collectors that want the actual CD for it to replace a physical copy of the music. I think it will be more of an alternative than a replacement.

Notice I said $10-$15, not $10. Most of my purchases are right in the middle and some are $15, but I have been surprised at some of the deals I have found on sale at Best Buy and Target this year for $10. One of the major record companies have lowered the prices on most of their CD's by quite a bit to help spur sales. Hopefully the others will follow and we'll all benefit.

Originally posted by Phil
If I had tested it, I would have certainly found the folder and re-naming/re-foldering bug within 24 hours.How many times do we have to tell you, this is NOT a bug! If you can't or don't want to read, that's your own fault, not Apple's. Take a look at this installer screen: http://www.coolfactor.ca/itunes/rearrange.html. It says "Choosing to keep your iTunesMusic Folder organized will cause iTunes to rearrange and rename your music files and folders." in boldface. How much more obvious could they have made it? If you just click click click through an installation process without paying attention, you deserve what you get. Sorry but I have exactly zero sympathy for you.

Originally posted by azdude_15GB
HiRez... I believe (think) that he was referring to the bug where iTunes places all mp3s into one folder on the iPod (Rather than dispersing them across all 20), and fails to rename the files to a numeric filename (i.e. 184953.mp3).

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If you're right, disregard this post :D OK, and if I'm wrong, then disregard mine :-P Sorry, I am just fed up with people complaining about the folder/file library rearranging when the option is very clear. I apologize if I midread the post :-/

Originally posted by jamesm
I'm not being funny, but does anyone who used the original windows itunes remember if the prompt was the same as on the mac screenshot above.That screenshot is not from the Mac installer, it's from the Windows XP installer. Look at the windowbar.

Wow, I guess I did just click straight through it..