4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Someone said the other day that when the 4G iPod is unveiled it could have a huge hard drive, possibly in the 75-100GB region or greater!
This makes sense if you think about how the size of iPod hard drives, and technology in general, develops.
However, i was thinking, will Apple bother making it that big because there may actually not be much point!
If you think that a 40GB iPod can hold around 10000tunes, which to my estimate is about 700 CD albums, is there really any need for a 80GB iPod?!
Does anyone have 1400 albums? Surely there's only a few people if any.
Thinking about this could suggest that the next iPod could well be more of a multimedia device, playing video on a small screen etc, like the mock up in T3 magazine.
If this happened then the iPod may loose its ability to handle music the way it currently does, and I for one know that I'd rather have an excellent compact music player like the current iPod rather than a not so good iJackOfAllTrades.
Not much of a thread, just me thinking and wondering out loud! Thought some people may have their own thoughts on any of this.
Wanted to find out just how many people do have enough music to fill a 80GB iPod!
Jim
# 1 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
remember. if you have a bigger hd inside the ipod. you can hold better quality sound since you have the space...
XiXora at 2007-11-15 18:11:19 >
# 2 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Fair point ye. But then you've got to have those files on your computer anyway which might be a problem 'cuz you've got to have other stuff on your comp to haven't ya.
# 3 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
just so you know, its going to be a feat of pure magic trying to stuff 5 20gb platters (20gb only has one, and 40gb has two) into such a small device.
theyll have to make the platters higher density which results in even slower speeds than the already slow 4200rpm hard drive in there. which means slower transfer speeds, which means me getting angrier
# 4 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by jimmie_d123
Fair point ye. But then you've got to have those files on your computer anyway which might be a problem 'cuz you've got to have other stuff on your comp to haven't ya. Considering you can buy a 250GB hard drive for under $200, no I don't consider that a problem.
And to the original poster, my dad has somewhere in the neighborhood of 1250 CDs.
# 5 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
I'm almost to 40GB right now on my pc, so the current ipods would be too small for my use (with the assumption that I'm only going to spend the money if I can fit my whole music collection on a device). One of the big things is that some people use wav or high bit rate mp3s so they don't lose sound quality, thats what I do...takes up a lot more space. Wouldn't make a difference listening on the ipod itself, but it would if you hooked up to a good sound system. I'm sure apple won't make the next size jump until they know the new model will function as well, if not better, than the current models. Heres hoping for nano-technology to replace existing hard drives. 50,000GB drives on the way:D
nddl05 at 2007-11-15 18:15:21 >
# 6 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
remember. if you have a bigger hd inside the ipod. you can hold better quality sound since you have the space...
exactly. i'm still using my original 5 gig ipod, and i have no plans of upgrading until the ipod is at LEAST 100 gigs. on occasion, it drives me crazy having the bass and impact sapped from my music using mp3 and aac. i also use high end headphones with my ipod, and that only magnifies the difference when compared with the original recording. so once the ipod gets a HUGE capacity, i'll be able to rip my music as uncompressed wav files.
d33t3r at 2007-11-15 18:16:20 >
# 7 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by nddl05
I'm almost to 40GB right now on my pc, so the current ipods would be too small for my use (with the assumption that I'm only going to spend the money if I can fit my whole music collection on a device).
I think it is hysterical that we are already at the point where people will dismiss a 40 GIG MP3 player because they could only get 10,000 or so songs on it.
I mean you have to have some sense of perspective here. We are talking about thousands of songs!!! Is the device that much of a failure to you if you can't fit 15 or 20 thousand songs on it?
I mean what are you doing with this thing? Do you have some sort of plutonium like power source that you will use to power the 'Pod through all of those songs without recharging? Who would need more than 10 thousand at any one time?
Did you ever own a portable CD player? Were you able to carry 10 thousand songs with that? So why do you need to carry more than that now because it is a MP3 player?
I just think that this level of expectation is just a bit over the top.
# 8 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
If you were satisfied with the capacity of a portable CD player, why did you upgrade to an iPod at all? We all know why, of course, but your statement works the other way as well.
Plus, why do you need 10,000 at one time? Why is 10,000 the magic number?
# 9 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by tubedogg
If you were satisfied with the capacity of a portable CD player, why did you upgrade to an iPod at all? We all know why, of course, but your statement works the other way as well.
Plus, why do you need 10,000 at one time? Why is 10,000 the magic number?
There is no magic number. Going by Apple's IPod push a 40 gig model (currently their highest capacity model) hold's 10,000 songs. Obviously that varies by bit rate, song length, etc..
Just going by what Apple advertises. So no there is no "magic number". I have a 15 gig with 2,900 songs on it. There is my magic number.
As far as the statement working the other way. It really doesn't. Its two extremes at work here.
The point of my post is that expectation runs a little high when you won't buy a portable music player when it doesn't hold all the music you currently own and what you assume that you one day will own.
# 10 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Just hope they don't compromise on the battery life again......
3rd gen 15 gig....
# 11 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by January2712
Just hope they don't compromise on the battery life again......
3rd gen 15 gig....
Couldn't agree more. Got an ancient Sony MD Recorder (huge brick thing it is :D)and it's STILL got better battery life than the iPod's are quoted as having.
I know there's many different factors coming into it, such as the iPod having to do a hell of a lot more work, but the batteries used in mobile phones seem to be miles ahead of the battery technology Apple employ in the iPod. Even though the battery has to spin a hard drive/transfer data to buffer memory/backlight/produce sound etc, don't know about you lot but I'd be expecting 15hrs at least.
# 12 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
As far as the statement working the other way. It really doesn't. Its two extremes at work here.It does work the other way. You're saying, why do you need to carry more than a CD player can hold (~12 songs on average) just because you have an MP3 player? Well, if you only want to carry 12 songs around, then you look a little silly with a 15GB iPod.
The point of my post is that expectation runs a little high when you won't buy a portable music player when it doesn't hold all the music you currently own and what you assume that you one day will own.Why would you buy something that won't satisfy you? I buy things because I want them and the particular product I buy fulfills my needs in a certain area, say MP3 carrying, not because they're just there.
# 13 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by tubedogg
It does work the other way.
You're saying, why do you need to carry more than a CD player can hold (~12 songs on average) just because you have an MP3 player? Well, if you only want to carry 12 songs around, then you look a little silly with a 15GB iPod.
Actually I am NOT saying that.
I asked if when he had a CD player was he able to carry 10 thousand songs. With the answer obviously being no.
But chances are he was happy with his CD player. I am questioning why when he can purchase a 40 gig 'Pod, a device which conceivably will allow him to carry 10 thousand songs, he would not spend the money. He spent the money on the CD player right? But now he won?t for an IPod? The expectation has grown so quick that some people may not even realize what they are asking for. My post was asking more ?what is the need?? I am sure anyone can come up with some situation where having every single song they own on them at all times is necessary (and based on your prior posts I am sure you will come up with one) but that type of situation has to be in the extreme minority.
I am not saying the expectation is wrong at all. People should spend their money on what makes them happy. I am just asking are you sure that what is available now won?t do the trick.
Obviously we have come a long way from where we were a few short years ago that to have the expectation that the device you now purchase should not only hold every song you own but every song you will own is realistic. (He stated that he was close to having 40 gigs at the moment but obviously he would acquire more) But is it really necessary?
I am pretty sure, actually no, I am positive you missed the point of the post. That being how now that a device which will allow us to carry thousands of songs could somehow not be enough capacity for someone.
Originally posted by tubedogg
Why would you buy something that won't satisfy you? I buy things because I want them and the particular product I buy fulfills my needs in a certain area, say MP3 carrying, not because they're just there.
Again the point of my post wasn't that he should buy it if it doesn't make him happy. And I am glad to hear you don't buy things that are just there. All I was saying was, even when it comes to MP3 players, keep expectations reasonable. Not buying just because it may not hold every song you will ever own may cause you to miss a great product that you could own tomorrow.
I am sorry that this somehow has irked you and I am not sure exactly what point you are trying to make but since I don?t want to give you the wrong idea:
- I don?t expect anyone to purchase what they don?t want.
- Yes a MP3 does allow you to carry more music that a CD player
- Yes you have proven you can reverse any argument (to what end I still don?t know but you have done a fine job of demonstrating that)
- Your points can similarly be reversed but I really don?t have the time, inclination, or can even think of a reason to do so.
# 14 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
I just know that sometimes I won't have brought my entire CD collection with me and I'll change plans halfway through listening to stuff because moods change. Sometimes I'll walk out the door thinking I want to listen to just a certain CD but then after one song I decide to change my mind. With the iPod, I can have all the other CDs to choose from. And I really like that.
# 15 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by bigdirtyfoot
I just know that sometimes I won't have brought my entire CD collection with me and I'll change plans halfway through listening to stuff because moods change. Sometimes I'll walk out the door thinking I want to listen to just a certain CD but then after one song I decide to change my mind. With the iPod, I can have all the other CDs to choose from. And I really like that.
Know exactly what you mean, one of the best things about having an iPod!
# 16 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
About 1.5gb atm, all 128k AAC except for a few files.
# 17 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Originally posted by sailgreg
About 1.5gb atm, all 128k AAC except for a few files.
Just out of intrest, how many tunes is that Greg?
# 18 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Recently, my wife and I were staying at my parents' house between escrows for a few weeks. The whole experience, of course, was pretty trying, but the worst part was that my 1000+ CD collection was in storage. My wife had an iPod, but I did not. I had my 6GB Nomad Jukebox, but with 6 GB, I only had my collected works for two film composers on it (actually, I had to cut short about 30% of one of their collected works).
By the time the movers moved all our stuff into the new place, I was frothing at the mouth for something new. I went nuts tossing one CD in the player after another, reacquainting myself with works I hadn't heard in a while--some, not even in years. the very fact of not having them available made me long for those tunes even more.
I almost think that the larger a collection of music you own, the more apt you are to really want it all at your disposal at any moment in time. After you hit a certain point (especially if you're a "collector" like me), you don't consider listening to music a casual experience (I think by and large, most iPod owners fall into this category)... you don't necessarily put something on to play "in the background"; you actively listen, and are likely to find yourself switching musical minds more rapidly (especially since you own so many different types of music).
Back when the portable CD player was the thing, you wandered around campus with 16 CDs in your backpack, because you never knew what mood might strike you, and found yourself frustrated at the limitation.
More than anything, I think that if I'm going to spend the money on something that can hold more than a single CD, I'd like to go the whole way and free myself of CDs altogether. Never have to ask myself the question, "what music should I carry with me today, or this week, or this month, or this year?" If my iPod could hold only 85% of my music collection, what are the chances I'll actually rotate the other 15% in and out of the iPod? In the end, I'll probably only do such a rotation once every few months because of the hassle (even if it only takes a few minutes through Firewire, it still takes time and effort). Wherease, if I could only hold 15% of my collection, I'd probably switch it out every few days, even if I found it a frustrating experience.
It's just frustrrating to be "close, but no cigar". Either carry a few CDs that is easy to switch out every few days (or every day), or be the musical turtle that can take the entire existence with hom no matter where he is. The middle ground just isn't appealing.
Sorry for the ramble.
# 19 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
My 15GB iPod is almost all full now. I think a 30 or 40GB one is reasonable. But that's because I'm only ripping my songs at 128kbps. If someone else want better sound quality, I can imagine they would require much more disk space to keep all those higher quality songs on iPod.
# 20 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
Actually I am NOT saying that.
I asked if when he had a CD player was he able to carry 10 thousand songs. With the answer obviously being no.
But chances are he was happy with his CD player. I am questioning why when he can purchase a 40 gig 'Pod, a device which conceivably will allow him to carry 10 thousand songs, he would not spend the money. He spent the money on the CD player right? But now he won?t for an IPod? The expectation has grown so quick that some people may not even realize what they are asking for. My post was asking more ?what is the need?? I am sure anyone can come up with some situation where having every single song they own on them at all times is necessary (and based on your prior posts I am sure you will come up with one) but that type of situation has to be in the extreme minority.
I am not saying the expectation is wrong at all. People should spend their money on what makes them happy. I am just asking are you sure that what is available now won?t do the trick.
Obviously we have come a long way from where we were a few short years ago that to have the expectation that the device you now purchase should not only hold every song you own but every song you will own is realistic. (He stated that he was close to having 40 gigs at the moment but obviously he would acquire more) But is it really necessary?
I am pretty sure, actually no, I am positive you missed the point of the post. That being how now that a device which will allow us to carry thousands of songs could somehow not be enough capacity for someone.
Again the point of my post wasn't that he should buy it if it doesn't make him happy. And I am glad to hear you don't buy things that are just there. All I was saying was, even when it comes to MP3 players, keep expectations reasonable. Not buying just because it may not hold every song you will ever own may cause you to miss a great product that you could own tomorrow.
I am sorry that this somehow has irked you and I am not sure exactly what point you are trying to make but since I don?t want to give you the wrong idea:
- I don?t expect anyone to purchase what they don?t want.
- Yes a MP3 does allow you to carry more music that a CD player
- Yes you have proven you can reverse any argument (to what end I still don?t know but you have done a fine job of demonstrating that)
- Your points can similarly be reversed but I really don?t have the time, inclination, or can even think of a reason to do so.
i would just like to add my input here:
i recently bought a 1gb zen.
it holds 200 songs
that was in july
i still havent listened to all of them
i listen to it every day without fail
so i dont see why there is any piont to an ipod bigger than say....
7-9gb it becomes a pointless battle to have the best of the best
only problem is that by the time you have listened to all the song on your shiny new 40gb iPod ull be 10mins from buying your new shiny 2TB iPod, it will be endless
not to mention a complete waste of time and money
# 21 Re: 4G iPod - How Much Music Do You Have?
wow... this is one OLD thread. it's kinda kool to see how in 2003 ppl were fantasizing over a 75-100GB HD. It's amazing how far we've come in just 4 years, they just released the 160GB iPod.
