Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Hi,
I just can't get used to the touch-sensitive buttons on gen 3 activating left and right, especially having come from gen 1. Navigating by feel alone was a great advantage of the gen 1 and gen 2.
Am I alone here? Does one get used to the crazy sensitivity of the buttons? I absolutely loathe them b/c I have to use the hold switch all the time.
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pufftissue] at [2007-11-9 15:19:08]

# 1 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
You'll get used to them. I don't use the hold switch at all. ;-)
# 2 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I like them. If I had moving buttons I would put it on hold all of the time anyway.
# 3 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I'm used to the sensitivity of them now, but I don't like that you can't feel the buttons. If they were 'proper' buttons, you could feel for which one you wanted without having to look, but if you do that on a 3G you just end up activate whichever button you touch.
# 4 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I am used to the fact I have to use the Hold switch much more often.
The buttons are cool and very responsive, unfortunately sometimes they are too responsive. Hence the need for the hold switch. But to be honest I use the hold switch on my 2nd Gen just as much.
I will say that at least on the 3rd Gens where the hold switch gets more use they added a much better quality switch than on the older models.
Otherwise I don't see the buttons as a bad feature.
And unlike many who report that they prefer the buttons on the old Gens because they can operate their 'Pods without looking at the iPod itself due to the positioning of the buttons I can do the same with my 3rd Gen.
Sure the 2nd Gen is a bit more logical for this type of operation but use the 3rd Gen long enough and just like your cable remote the muscle memory kicks in and hitting the button you want becomes second nature. Certainly not as tactile as the earlier models but it doesn?t always need to be.
# 5 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I think it must be old people that have problems with it. Mobile phones, remote controls...my dad just can't just logically press buttons, he always has to find the button, stare at it for a couple of seconds and the press it. Same with the iPOD.
Whereas, with all the people my age they pick it up really quickly.
So I don't think technology and old people go hand in hand. ;)
# 6 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Ok, I was going to pick up the gauntlet and try to defend us 'old people'. But after staring at the keyboard for a loonnnggg time in order to type, I couldn't remember what I was going to say.
Meanwhile..you never defined 'old'. How old are you anyway?
And guess what, getting old is much better than the alternative!
Happy listening.
AveryD at 2007-11-15 14:17:18 >

# 7 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Interestingly enough I've never used the hold button and I've accidentally touched the buttons wrong maybe less than 10 times. I think it's due to the fact that I use an iskin and the buttons are a little recessed so just brushing your hands against them doesn't immediately activate them. I also keep the ipod in my pocket and my hands always in my pocket b/c of the cold. You should probably try an iskin if you don't have one...
Oh yeah...maybe it's b/c I'm just 21...:D
# 8 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Good point, a case probably helps a great deal in that area. Actually I use no case at all so it is much easier for me to accidentally hit a button in normal use.
Hitting the hold switch is second nature to me so it has ceased to be an issue for me. That is of course unless my hold switch breaks. ;)
# 9 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I've had mine for a week. I can't stop playing with them.
Adjusting the volume is one of the most satisfying tactile interface experiences ever.
palexc at 2007-11-15 14:20:12 >

# 10 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Originally posted by AveryD
Ok, I was going to pick up the gauntlet and try to defend us 'old people'. But after staring at the keyboard for a loonnnggg time in order to type, I couldn't remember what I was going to say.
Meanwhile..you never defined 'old'. How old are you anyway?
And guess what, getting old is much better than the alternative!
Happy listening.
Old - about 35 and over...the none technology age. People I define as old only usually use things like mobile phones for their jobs. Younger people in their teens and 20s use mobile phones all the time as a means of commuication (txting). I don't know what it is, but 'older' people can't seem to understand shorthand text such as 'how r u m8'.
Maybe it is because my dad and other 'old' people I know don't have much common sense, which seems to be due to the fact they are all very scientific minded, they all have phyics or electrical engineering degrees. Whereas if the had a degree in Business Studies for example, maybe they would have more common sense. Thats another one of my theories.
By the way I am 18, which in my opinion is one of the best ages. The law lets you do a lot more, and you still don't have the responsibility of having to pay tax, look after children etc, and you don't have technological disabilities, because you was born with technology, and you can't get a job or anything without it :p
# 11 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I like the touch buttons... never had a previous gen so there are no issues there, and i instinctively put the hold button on when putting it into the apple case... probably no real reason to but like i said it's instinct.
tao at 2007-11-15 14:22:13 >

# 12 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I would like to see a sensitivity setting in the ipod's settings menu.
I don't know if this is something that could be added through a firmware update or not, but it would be nice.
# 13 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I find the buttons too sensitive if you hands are too warm, and not sensitive enough when your hands are cold. You just need to find a balance. You have to be quite elegant and swift about using the buttons, you can't be slow and lazy. But if you are a clumsy person, you really aren't cool enough to have an iPOD j/k ;), not really everyone deserves iPODs :)
# 14 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Originally posted by slashjunior
I don't know what it is, but 'older' people can't seem to understand shorthand text such as 'how r u m8'.
Hey even I didn't get the "m8" right away but then again I like in the US and not the UK and we don;t call many people mate. ;)
Originally posted by slashjunior
Maybe it is because my dad and other 'old' people I know don't have much common sense, which seems to be due to the fact they are all very scientific minded, they all have phyics or electrical engineering degrees. Whereas if the had a degree in Business Studies for example, maybe they would have more common sense. Thats another one of my theories.
Business Studeis, Common Sense? Wait to you work in a big business. I will love to hear what you have to say about their logic and common sense then! :D
# 15 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Get used to? What are you talking about?
I've loved them since the beginning.
Erty at 2007-11-15 14:26:18 >

# 16 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Slashjunior
You'll learn, sonny......
I'm a 42 year old with a history degree who uses a mobile phone (but has a life and enough money to phone people and not rely on texting) and despite my incipient senility and complete lack of common sense I am still comfortable with technology. Most importantly I have enough life experience to have learned that I don't know it all, and to have lost that youthful arrogance. I'd venture to suggest that your attitudes seem a mite immature for 18, I was expecting you to say 14.
Perhaps it's not age related, though? Perhaps your Dad and his chums are senile before their times? Those who are 35 now grew up in tough times, after all, and didn't have the fun we did in the full grant, pre-AIDS, tossing-about, heavy drinking Uni days of the late 70s..... They had to work hard, fund themselves, and didn't get enough booze or sex, and so took crap drugs instead.....
:D :D :D :D
# 17 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Jackonicko-
I must say that for a man who's currently 42 you must've done plenty of drinking and sexual promiscuity in the 1970's from ages 9-19. I'm sure it helped your development...
In my opinion the touch buttons on the Gen 3 are excellent and easy to navigate. The earlier post about the iSkin is correct, it does help, but for the most part I haven't had any problems with the buttons, and I don't use the hold switch ever. Usually I find it unnecessary due to Apple's ingenious use of touchpad material that uses a cross-matrix of sensors to detect the position of the electrical field inherent in your living finger. As you may have noticed it isn't possible to actuate the touch buttons with, say, a pencil eraser or the keys in your pocket (scratching is an entirely different subject)
Also, my use of the touch buttons hasn't been impeded by the shakiness of my fingers caused by CNS damages from all the "crap drugs" I took in my late teens and college years.
For those of you clamoring for physcial feedback on your gen 3 ipod, I suggest using the wired remote, which uses physical buttons that even emit a slightly audible "click.
Any time anyone claims nothing good came out of the 80's, you can tell them that they're wrong. Cite the macintosh, and me.
# 18 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
the touch buttons are just sweet because of the "whoa-cool" factor. You know, when you show someone an ipod for the first time and they go "whoa-cool". thats happened to all of us. thats what the ipod now is, it's not an MP3 player, it's a fashion statement, a 'cool' thing per se.
plus, most people keept their ipods in cases, where feeling the buttons before touch is easy, especially with the oh so popular exo case.
# 19 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I didn't develop after the age of 9. That's the secret of my charm......
# 20 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
the touch sensitive buttons are great. perfect if you have a case as it keeps you from having to use the hold button.
# 21 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
I'm a 21 year old student at Milwaukee School of Engineering and I have found over the course of my college years that the percentage of faculty members who seem clueless to the newer technology and ways of donig things is on equal footing with the percentage of students.
I'm at a school of roughly 2000 undergrad (mostly) engineering students and we even though we are required to be a part of a laptop program doesn't mean the greater majority of students are good with their laptops. I know teachers who are easily 40 or 50+ who can walk circles around most of the students.
However, I do agree with the lack of common sense among engineering types. Though there are exceptions to every rule, many do seem to lack it.
Oh yeah, and I love the new buttons...especially as an electrical engineer who likes to "remove" the necessity of mechanical things. Plus they keep things clean and safe, less likelihood of stuff getting into seems around buttons.
# 22 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
On topic: I've had my ipod a few weeks, with low to moderate use. I'm pretty used to the buttons...and was able to navigate without looking even the first night I got it. I find the sensitivity depends a bit on how greasy or sweaty my fingertip is...there seems to be some conductivity threshold. But other than having to press more than once sometimes, I don't think it's bad at all. And as someone said, doing the volume is very satisfying :)
Slash Junior said: "By the way I am 18, which in my opinion is one of the best ages."
Slash Junior:
I agree, 18 is a great age. But guess what? So is 19, 20, ...25...and even higher :) Please post a message when you're over 35 and tell us if you'd like to keep aging or take the alternative!
As a person in your 'old person' category, I must tell you that although often true, it's best not to stereotype. As an example, I fit the same stereotype as your father (OLD :), scientifically trained and employed, etc.) But, many of my colleages and I would break your stereotyped opinion of us. I am in fact currently the Director of a group on Educational Technology, a position I acquired because of (not in spite of) my knowledge and understanding of emerging technologies. In fact, I am often called upon by students at our institution to help solve their tech problems or explain something. I also am an 'honorary member' of our IT department because I often eliminate the need for my local colleagues to contact them by solving their techie issues.
Nonetheless, I'm not ashamed to ask questions in order to learn how to improve the use of a particular technotoy.
Anyway, this isn't meant to be a flame, just a friendly bit of perspective.
Now, as for paying taxes...I couldn't agree more - being 18 would be great!
Happy listening
AveryD at 2007-11-15 14:33:33 >

# 23 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Another "old" person chiming in. I've never used anything but a gen 3 iPod and I think the controls are pretty cool. I do sometimes jump ahead further than I want to, but, hey, it's easy to back up again. I've even learned to slip my fingers in under the cover of my Waterfield case to run the controls while driving, without taking my eyes off the road. So, some of us can learn new tricks.
I suppose the case I use protects the buttons from being hit accidentally. I just use the hold when I put the thing away somewhere where it might get bumped.
Slashjunior - you do have a point in that not many folks my age know what I'm talking about when I mention the iPod, or they react as if it's a very exotic thing. Whereas when I was on the UW campus today I saw several...uh, not children...young people carrying then around. Also noticed the sign in the library asking folks to turn of the ringers on their cell phones...when I was in college we felt lucky to have phones in our own rooms!
I had the thought as I watched the students that it was cool to be young and without all the responsibilities I have now (the mortgage, the son's soccer games, my patients) and with the time to learn about new toys, new music and all. But, as someone pointed out, the alternative to getting older isn't very attractive and some of us learn some stuff that's worth knowing - and can still learn how to work an iPod!
Enjoy every step of the way, while you have the chance.
# 24 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Hey, we shouldn't discriminate against older people. Now, WOMEN and technology on the other hand... ;)
Just kidding... (I hope that is allowed in the post-feminist era?)
# 25 Re: Does one ever get used to touch-sensitive buttons on 3rd gen?
Humor is allowed IMHO, as long as it's not nasty. And what can I say? I'm the daughter of a couple of science nerds. I do know some pretty technical women, but they'd probably all say they've frequently been the only women in their work groups. Sigh. Maybe it'll be different in the next generation?