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Good News: Audible & New WinPods

After having trouble getting www.audible.com books to work correctly with my new Ipod, I now seem to have discovered the solution. The Audible folks said that the use of Audible Manager to activate and access the new Ipod requires the use of Music Match Jukebox, which many of us have tried to avoid. Here's what I seem to have learned:

1. With Music Match Jukebox loaded, Audible Manager correctly sees the Ipod and can "activate" it for Audible books.

2. Audible books loaded to the Ipod with Audible Manager are somehow loaded differently than when using Ephpod. As a result:

A. The Audible Manager can perform its usual tricks of knowing exactly where you are in listening to a book; and most importantly,

B. When you stop listening to a "properly" loaded Audible book on the Ipod, it remembers the location. I have toggled between different Audible books, music files, and so forth, and every time I come back to a given Audible book, the location is rock solid where I left it.

3. The one problem I had was in finding "properly" loaded Audible books on the Ipod. I finally found the books under "Playlists" and then selected the very top of the cascading list, which is blank. By selecting that, you can see all the Audible books.

This needs tweaking, but is a GREAT improvement over loading Audible books via Ephpod.

Now I just hope I didn't mess things up by upgrading Music Match Jukebox from 7.5 to 8.0!
[1486 byte] By [Stensvaag] at [2007-11-9 11:44:38]
# 1 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
1) Another easy way to find Audible files.

Look under Browse /Album / Audible (Audible.com if you transfer with EphPod) AudibleManger or Ephpod automatically assign Audible as the Album name.

2) I know MMJB is the "specified" app, but I don't use it. I use Ephpod for both music and audible files or AudibleManager if I am only dealing with books.

However, if you are using a MMJB, it may be required that you upgrade to MMJB 8.0 in order to use with AudibleManager. I found before that if I ran MMJB 7.5, it would cause my Audible files not to play on the iPod. The files would appear but not play. I tested 8.0 already though, and it did not cause this problem.
I'm not sure about this, its just a theory based on experience.
Podunk at 2007-11-15 17:07:14 >
# 2 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
... a little confused ... can you use EphPod to download audible files and get playback on gen3 (gen2? - 30GB, confused about that, too)? ... do you need audible manager at all or is it just handy for bookmarks? ... by the sounds of it you can get away with Ephpod and just use the ffd/rew facility in playback to find your spot in the book ...
dcbell at 2007-11-15 17:08:14 >
# 3 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
DCbell, You can perfectly well use EphPod to transfer your Audible files to the iPod. I use it regularly The iPod will treat the file EXACTLY the same way regardless of what program you use to transfer the file, whether it be AudibleManager, EphPod or Media Center 9 . (I personally use EphPod and I have never used MC9, but the word is that it also handles Audible files).

How the iPod acts with the Audible file once its on the iPod is related to the firmware.

The G2 units with 1.26 lose bookmarks when you resync to the computer. Thats the only problem I've had. And as I said, thats the case whether you transfer with AudibleManager or EphPod, or whatever. Supposedly, and hopefully, if 1.30 for Windows ever comes out, it will fix this issue.

However, I believe that you must have AudibleManager in order to download the Audible files. But you can use the others mentioned to transfer once you've downloaded them.

Hope that helps.
Podunk at 2007-11-15 17:09:12 >
# 4 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
parannoya

Thanks for the advice. Quite keen on the audible possibility so I'll download the audiblemanager and use EphPod to sync.
dcbell at 2007-11-15 17:10:18 >
# 5 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
>>The G2 units with 1.26 lose bookmarks when you resync to the computer. Thats the only problem I've had. <<

I started this thread and I have to confess after further experimentation that this is correct. The bad news is that bookmarks (more precisely, your current listening location) is lost when you resync to the computer. That is true even if you have MMJB loaded and send the audible file to your Ipod with the Audible Manager software.

The good news is that your current listening location seems to be saved (as long as you don't resynch) no matter how you originally loaded your books to the Ipod.

I apologize if I gave a contrary impression in my initial posting due to my ignorance. We are all learning through trial and error.
Stensvaag at 2007-11-15 17:11:17 >
# 6 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
Quick question, do you mean that it loses them any time the ipod is connected to the computer or used with a program, or do you specifically mean synching the ipod with your computer's music library?
Septus at 2007-11-15 17:12:16 >
# 7 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
Originally posted by Septus
Quick question, do you mean that it loses them any time the ipod is connected to the computer or used with a program, or do you specifically mean synching the ipod with your computer's music library?

At first I thought that your location in an Audible book would be lost only if you connected with Ephpod, make some kind of change to your music library (no matter how minor) and then told Ephpod to "Save Changes."

However, I just did an experiment in which I:

1. Loaded a book with Audible Manager.

2. Listened to the book on the Ipod, moving the current listening location to approximately 3 hours into the book, playing for a few seconds to establish this as the "current location."

3. Connected the Ipod to the PC.

4. Did not access the Ipod with any software (other than the Ipod Manager, which "found" the Ipod).

5. Unmounted the Ipod with the the Windows 2000 "unplug or eject hardware" command.

6. Checked the book on the Ipod to discover the that "current" listening location was lost.

I think this may be spotty, because on a prior occasion when I did Steps 1-3, and then accessed the Ipod on the PC through Audible Manager, it did find and preserve the "current" listening location.

In any event, this business of saving your place in an Audible book is definitely buggy for now.
Stensvaag at 2007-11-15 17:13:20 >
# 8 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
I, too, have found no clear pattern for what causes the loss of bookmarks.

While it seems clear that making and saving changes in Ephpod will always result in the loss of a bookmark, there's no clear pattern otherwise. I sometimes lose my bookmark when I haven't connected to the computer at all. Other times, I can connect to the computer and perform a variety of tasks while using the Ipod as a hard drive, then disconnect and still have my place in Audible. So I don't believe there's any one cause that can be identified. I thought that turning off the shuffle function would help prevent the problem and posted here to that effect earlier. On further use, though, I'm not sure that really makes much difference.

Hopefully, the "official" release of the 1.3 firmware update from Apple will fix the problem (the hacked version I'm using now doesn't). In the meantime, the lesson is to always make note of where on the counter you are when you pause your Audible book, because you may have to find it again next time you use it.
rmaxey1 at 2007-11-15 17:14:24 >
# 9 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
Originally posted by rmaxey1
In the meantime, the lesson is to always make note of where on the counter you are when you pause your Audible book, because you may have to find it again next time you use it.

Yes. You are right about that. Fortunately, it is MUCH easier to get quickly to a specific location on the Ipod than it is on my other trusty book-listening companion, the Audible Otis (although the Otis, of course, is much more reliable about keeping its place).

I actually carry a voice pen (into which I can dictate messages) and I routinely dictate where I am when I stop in an Audible book. I've done this for a long time, because it is easy to get lost on the Audible Otis, too. For example, if you hit the Section Up button on the Audible Otis by mistake, you totally lose your place. Doh!
Stensvaag at 2007-11-15 17:15:22 >
# 10 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
The reason you get conflicting information is because this issue variers with different generations of generation of iPod, Mac or PC, and which firmware you are running.

All Mac version should old bookmarks.

New PC versions (Gen3 with 2.0 firmware) should hold bookmarks.

G1 and G2 PC ipods will not hold bookmark with 1.26 or older firmware. The 1.3 "hack" version does not fix the problem because it is derived from the Mac version of the firmware.

The bookmark issue on old iPods will only be remedied when the official 1.3 PC firmware is released by Apple.

Hope that helps clarify and explain why different people get different results.
Podunk at 2007-11-15 17:16:23 >
# 11 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
Originally posted by parannoya
New PC versions (Gen3 with 2.0 firmware) should hold bookmarks.

Excellent clarification. I am using the newest 30GB Ipod (Gen 3?) with the 2.0 firmware. Bookmarks are consistently lost in the somewhat unpredictable way that we've been discussing here. Thus, the newest Gen3 firmware is not yet doing what is needed.
Stensvaag at 2007-11-15 17:17:22 >
# 12 Re: Good News: Audible & New WinPods
Stensvaag,

So, yeah, thats odd. Yours should work.

I rememeber reading somewhere that you need to have "Shuffle" turned off. You might try that. Let us know if it fixes it or not.

It shouldn't matter, but which software are you using, just to help keep track.
Podunk at 2007-11-15 17:18:26 >
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