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Sound distortion in iPod...

Hi,

I have a 15GB, EC version, 3G iPod and Windows XP, encoding with MC9 VBR --alt preset extreme, not normalizing. I prefer higher audio quality so am not fussed about file size. I have the following problem:

I think the earphones that came w/ the iPod do not have very good bass quality, and have the equalizer set to "Bass Booster" or "Loudness" to beef it up.

The problem is that when I have this setting some files the bass just sounds VERY distorted - like the speakers are about to blow...

Is there a program that can take care of this problem? I have heard about normalizing and Mp3Gain etc but (even though I've read articles about them) cannot understand how these work and if they do things differently.

As long as the bass distortion goes away I'm happy. Basically I want an app that alters the mp3 so that I don't have to have the volume cranked up to almost max (and thus the bass problem) to hear anything.

Please help me - what should I do?

Thanks in advance.

Nubben
[1075 byte] By [Nubben] at [2007-11-9 12:36:21]
# 1 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
Not to many people use the ipod's eq, because it can cause distortion. I would try a few mp3's that have been run through mp3gain and see how they sound. Plus I would get another brand of earphones. Do a seach of the forum for other recommended brands.
revmike at 2007-11-15 17:06:26 >
# 2 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
While the un-EQ'ed sound from the iPod is fine, the iPod's EQ settings leave much to be desired, IMO. I compared the sound of the iPod to my minidisc player (using comparable source material) and found the un-EQ'ed sounds to be very similar. However, once I added the megabass from the minidisc (even at level 1 of 2), it was no contest. The iPod went back to the store. Listening to music is my primary reason for buying a music player, and the iPod simply did not produce music that pleased me. The music might be "sonically" correct (as in being faithful to the original source material), but I like a "fuller" than the iPod is capable of producing. Apple needs to fix those EQ settings.
dcx693 at 2007-11-15 17:07:26 >
# 3 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
I too have noticed a bit of distortion on tracks during play on my 15gig ipod with the same setting (bass-booster) . I just changed it to Rock and it sounds fairly good. I guess part of that is due to the earphones I Just picked up as well... Etymotic ER-4Ps... heard alot of iPod users have them for the quality.

I'd love to find a solution for the distortion in Bass-booster setting too... A Repost or update on the unit would be great.. maybe something to say what worked with the sound.

thanks..

Jay.
mp3-pawn at 2007-11-15 17:08:25 >
# 4 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
I have had the same problem since day one. Don't waste your money on better headphones. I am a professional DJ and have tried the best headphones from various manufacturers. The pre-amp on the ipod simply sucks, especially for music with lots of low and high content. Amazes me they can sell this for close to $500 with such terrible sound quality. Sounds better when connected to a real sound system. On a real sound system, turn off the awful eq, turn the volume level on the ipod to about middle and use the controls on the amp. Typical apple product: high on looks and no substance ...
DJ Sherv at 2007-11-15 17:09:31 >
# 5 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
Did you try Eupod volume boost? I have mine at 40% and it does the job admirably...And a pair of sony Fontopia headphones would be a wise investment as well
ierax at 2007-11-15 17:10:30 >
# 6 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
Had tried eupod with no perceivable change. However, I just got done with adjusting the gain using mp3gain. seems to have, at least partially, fixed the problem. thx for your help.
DJ Sherv at 2007-11-15 17:11:29 >
# 7 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
i used the Classical setting for a while but kicking bass distorted the sound
so much that i switched to Jazz preset... does about the same without boosting
the middle bass that much.

are there any proper tests or specs about the audio quality of the iPod?
...would like to know if this guy dissing the iPod preamp was right or not :mad:
pasi at 2007-11-15 17:12:33 >
# 8 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
Wow, this is an old ressurected thread. I've solved all (or at least most of) my EQ distortion problems by running my mp3s through mp3gain before loading them onto the iPod.

Whatever algorithm is used for the iPod EQ, it's really not all that good. The same mp3 file played back on "inferior" devices do not produce distortion. The iPod simply raises the volume of all frequencies EQ'ed and clips the ones that exceed a certain level.

Using mp3gain will lower then volume of the mp3 tracks, allowing you to avoid clipping.

Try it. It works. Really. I use the R&B EQ all the time now.

By the way: this isn't just limited to mp3 files. AAC files also distort.
dcx693 at 2007-11-15 17:13:37 >
# 9 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
If you are using Media Center 9.1, you have a couple of options.

1) Analyze Audio on your music, this will generate a Replay Gain value for each track. Right click on the iPod in MC, one of the menu options is "Adjust Upload Volume", select Replay Gain and jack it up by +12db. Sync the iPod, making sure you've set the sync to Update Tags. (This is similar to using MP3Gain, except that it is simply changing the Replay Gain tag, not re-normalizing the whole file.)

2) If you don't want to Analyze Audio, the Adjust Upload Volume option lets you apply a fixed percentage of volume increase. Go for 40% to 50% boost. (This is exactly the same as using EuPod)

I found that the volume boost significantly increased the quality of the sound, especially the bass response. (The iPod equalizer doesn't work so well, I switched it off.)

If you use option 1) there should be no need to use MP3Gain or anything like that, it has the same effect without modifying your files. BTW the adjust volume feature is present in recent builds, after 9.1.246 or so.
gpvillamil at 2007-11-15 17:14:34 >
# 10 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
it's a little confusing that

- EQing the sound in iPod makes the sound distorted coz the overall amplifying produces clipping

but

- adjusting the gain (and making the mp3s play louder on iPod) makes the sound better (without clipping?)

how can this be?

what is it exactly in iPod that causes the distortion??
pasi at 2007-11-15 17:15:36 >
# 11 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
pasi, I only use mp3gain and EphPod, not Media Center, but when using mp3gain, you actually decrease the volume of the music files. That way, you avoid the clipping. mp3gain and EphPod are both free. :)
dcx693 at 2007-11-15 17:16:34 >
# 12 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
weird that this guy tells me to set the Replay Gain in Media Center to +12dB. that would amplify the mp3s (and produce even more clipping) wouldn't it? :confused:

i tried the procedure he described with MC but all i got was a volume boost but no better sound quality...
ok, the music is louder but it still distorts.

dcx - i wouldn't want to start renormalizing all my 25GB of mp3s :(

turning their volume down makes the sound quality worse (eg when listening through home stereo or such)
any other ideas??

...thinking...

what if i use gpvillamil's technique but instead of turning the volume up with "Adjust Upload Volume" i turned it down..? :)
pasi at 2007-11-15 17:17:43 >
# 13 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
pasi, have you tried just turning down the volume of 1 mp3 file using mp3gain? You don't need to do 25 gigs worth. Just try one. We're not talking a large change here. Typically, I'll adjust things from 98 db down to 92 db to get rid of the clipping.

Besides which, when I connect my iPod to home stereo equipment, I turn off the eq and let my amp handle any tone adjustments.
dcx693 at 2007-11-15 17:18:45 >
# 14 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
thank for the quick reply.. :)

maybe i'll try that.
pasi at 2007-11-15 17:19:40 >
# 15 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
Try boosting the volume using MC9 and then switch OFF the equalizer. Apparently the problem with distortion is to do with the equalizer code, not necessarily the overall volume.

I found that bass response was substantially improved with either Replay Gain or the fixed volume increase. Fortunately neither of these two options actually modifies your files, so risk is low... [Replay Gain does modify a tag - but doesn't change the actual music]
gpvillamil at 2007-11-15 17:20:43 >
# 16 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
this morning i listened to a mp3 mix (mixoftheweek.com :) that
isn't as loud as other files. i agree that using the EQ with lower
volume mp3 files works better, and it doesn't distort that much.

so dcx's tactic with the mp3gain will make the sound better without a doubt...

i'm just ####ed off that users have to modify their mp3s for
them to sound good on iPod.

reading the forums i've got the picture that all it would take
for apple to fix this distortion problem is a firmware update...
way to go apple!
pasi at 2007-11-15 17:21:48 >
# 17 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
good for you pasi!

Yeah, it irked me as well. In fact, I'd purchased an iPod and returned it because I hated the sound. Then I read about mp3gain, had a friend try it with his files and it worked. I wound up buying another one!

The thing I hate about this solution is that it lowers the volume of the files so you need to raise the volume on the iPod itself. Of course, the will burn the battery more.

I am puzzled as to why it is "cheaper" low-end music players can play back the exact same mp3 files and not distort them while the iPod does.
dcx693 at 2007-11-15 17:22:45 >
# 18 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
i guess it's not the volume slider that determines the power
consumption of iPod. rather it's the power u hear on the
headphones... like producing bigger sinewaves requires more
current... and so on......

so what i'm saying is that you can listen to iPod with full volume
but if you don't hear anything it won't drain the battery.

i just yesterday found info about iRiver iHP-120 and i'm starting
to regret buying this Apple product. well, maybe the design
compromises the sound issues.

ps. i'm still not mp3gaining my 25 gigs of mp3's :P
pasi at 2007-11-15 17:23:40 >
# 19 Re: Sound distortion in iPod...
pasi, I hear ya. I don't have 25 gigs of mp3s, but it's still a pain to gain even half my collection.

I was tempted by the iRiver products also. I have an iRiver mp3/cd player and I absolutely love it. Very well designed, great features, constant firmware updates, and best of all - great sound - no mp3gain required.
dcx693 at 2007-11-15 17:24:49 >
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