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iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?

I mean, look at an iBook for about ?1000, and it'll be pretty great, but with a processor speed of about 900mhz, whereas another laptop for about the same price will have a processor speed of 2ghz or something.
Is there a reason for this and does it matter?
[271 byte] By [ShakeDogShake] at [2007-11-9 13:46:40]
# 1 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
In the end it is consumer choice. You want 3ghz processor go buy a PC laptop. You want a Mac, then you'll buy a iBook or PB. The debate about processor speeds has been done to death here I'm afraid.
Read back through the forums for more in depth explanations.
Bob at 2007-11-15 18:08:42 >
# 2 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Above all, remember that you cannot directly compare a RISC processor with a CISC processor. They work in completely different ways. It's like comparing RPM on a diesel powered car and a jet engined aeroplane. It's just not appropriate to compare them. Some think that you should multiply a G3 processor's clock speed by 1.5 or even 2 to compare it with a Wintel processor, but even this is unsatisfactory.

The iBooks are slow, if you want to do high end video editing, or gaming, but for most uses they are plenty fast enough, and they save huge amounts of time because the Mac OS is intuitive, making complex tasks on the PC much simpler and quicker on a Mac. There's also the issue of stability - iBooks just don't bluescreen and crash.

In my experience, RAM makes more difference than MHz anyway. My old 500 MHz iBook (now Mrs JN's!) with 256 MB of RAM is quicker than a friend's 600 MHz iBook with 128. That's why my new 900 MHz will soon have 640 MB!

Then you have the quality of the machine, and the quality of the experience it gives you the user. A hot Subaru might be faster on paper, in a straight line than a Lotus Elise or a Rolls Royce, but which is the better car? Which will give you the most pleasant experience?

As an iPodder, you simply need an iBook. With iTunes it's simply the best complement to your 'Pod. And if you buy an Apple refurb (fully tested, full one year guarantee, able to buy Apple Care) you can get a 900 MHz iBook for about ?750. Bargain!

What are you waiting for?

And Bob, many many many thanks, my oriental friend.....
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 18:09:42 >
# 3 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Jackonicko,
You're more than welcome, I'll do anything for a quiet life and as I'm not one to bang my tin drum, I'll just let the gentlemen take polaroids.............

;)
Bob at 2007-11-15 18:10:40 >
# 4 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
It's because a apple computer has more instructions that he can do at 1 cyclus.

Examples:
Even I could make a processor with transistors of 10GHz maybe 100GHz. But with only 3 instructions at 1 cyclus.
So in totaly I make 10GHz x 3 instructions is 30G intructions.

an apple has 1 GHz at 300 instuctions at a cyclus.
so 1GHz x 300 = 300 G instructions

an intel has 3 GHz at 50 instructions at a cyclus.
so 3GHz x 50 = 150 G instructions

!! I don't know the instructions anymore. intel has near 50, but apple I don't know where it was near.

So you could see that the speed does only depend of the GHz and the ram-memory.

That's also why a apple program don't work on a microsoft-machine and otherwise. They can't get the right instuctions from the processor.

I hope it's a little bit clear
robbe at 2007-11-15 18:11:45 >
# 5 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
So you could see that the speed does NOT only depend of the GHz and the ram-memory.
robbe at 2007-11-15 18:12:44 >
# 6 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
and that doesn't take account of the streamlined and intuitive UI, the stable 'never bluescreens' OS and all the rest which makes real world tasks faster on a Mac.
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 18:13:43 >
# 7 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
and the iBook (like the iPod) is a beautiful creation that melds form with function mre so that ANY wintellaptop out there, and five hours on the battery and Panther!

as the previous posts have stated, unless you want it for gaming, the iBook is a good buy (though i'm still going to stick with my LCD iMac for the time being!!)
yinyang at 2007-11-15 18:14:46 >
# 8 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Why? (the cynical anser)

Because Apple are way too busy designing their products and advertising them so much, that there is little time left in actually making the product.

Sure, you can pull out the advertisements from Apple stating that a 1GHz Motorola CPU will out-do a 3GHz P4, but of course you'd know absolutely squat then.
Adam at 2007-11-15 18:15:49 >
# 9 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Adam,

You can sit there without speaking, and run the risk that people might think you're a fool, or you can open your mouth and remove all possible doubt....

Your statement "Because Apple are way too busy designing their products and advertising them so much, that there is little time left in actually making the product." is foolish, inaccurate and likely to result in pointless flaming.

No-one pretends that a 1 GHz chip will outdo a 3 GHz Pentium, but that's not what's at issue. When this thread started we were talking about 800- and 900-MHz G3 iBooks (and we could now talk about 800 MHz G4 iBooks) and comparing them with 1.4-2 GHz Wintel laptops available at a similar pricepoint. And it is entirely true to say that the difference between CISC and RISC chips with the same 'clock speed' is a factor of about 1.5 - 2, making an iBook 1.5 to 2 times faster than raw processor speed would suggest.

Moreover, this discussion is about more than simple processor speed (of little relevance except to teenage gamers and high end graphics users) and so the Mac's ease and speed of use and stability are key factors.

It's not the cynical answer (do try and spell the easy ones correctly), it's the stupid answer, I'm afraid.
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 18:16:46 >
# 10 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
I'm drunk, bugger off mac lover.
Adam at 2007-11-15 18:17:47 >
# 11 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Ah, an intelligent reply from a cultured, intelligent Aussie......
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 18:18:56 >
# 12 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

enough said
ToddW at 2007-11-15 18:19:53 >
# 13 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Go back and re-read the thread before criticising my response, Todd
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 18:21:00 >
# 14 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Jacko,

My apologies, it was not my intention to criticise. My reply was meant for the enitre thread, basically my mac is better than your PC or my PC is better thatn your Mac. In my replay I guess I forgot to quote from 4 posts ago. Again my aplogies Jacko.
ToddW at 2007-11-15 18:21:55 >
# 15 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
No apology needed, Todd.

Though the thread was originally no more than information which answered a sensible and (I believe) non-trolling question, and did so without childishly slamming PCs.

The thread started well, then, instead of making sensible points of argument some fool began making silly, unsubstantiated criticisms of the platform he didn't like ("Apple are way too busy designing their products and advertising them so much, that there is little time left in actually making the product"), and low insults aimed at those who disagreed with him ("but of course you'd know absolutely squat then...")
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 18:22:58 >
# 16 Re: iBooks... Why are their processors so slow?
Everytime a good thread is started, where a good debate can take place, someone always has to ruin it with slamming other people for their opinions. In some ways I guess it can be a blessing to be uneducated and ignorant.
ToddW at 2007-11-15 18:24:02 >
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