Apple Announces G5 Macintosh

Does anyone know what graphics card the high end g5s will come with?!?

Oh gosh, that has GOT to be the ugliest case EVER... I will not buy this, I don't care what specs it has... Worst design EVER, I liked the old g4 design MUCH better...

Yeah, I thought the thumbnail was an icon at first too...and how come you can only equip it with one cd drive?!? That is a shame, how are you suppose to copy cds (efficiently)?

Originally posted by destined_wind
Yeah, I thought the thumbnail was an icon at first too...and how come you can only equip it with one cd drive?!? That is a shame, how are you suppose to copy cds (efficiently)?

if you look at this picture, at the top, there seems to be a 2nd drive bay with an access to the front below the installed drive.

http://www.macminute.com/images/db/wwdc0307.jpg

Perhaps the sterile and pointless arguments about the slowness of Macs will go away now?

http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

But will it lead to a rush as people buy up the last G4s?

The G5 page on the UK Apple site is interesting.

Click on OS 9 Systems (below the performance strap, where the 'see more' gallery link is on the US page) and you're taken to the G4, which is now labelled as being bootable in OS X and OS 9. The G4 didn't used to boot in OS9, a week ago, did it?

The G4 now looks like incredible value for money, at ?999 for the 1.25 GHz ($1299 in the US), ?1,239 for the dual 1.25 GHz ($1599 in the US), and ?2548.99 for the 2 x 160 GB HD model ($3274 in the US).

This thing looks hella cool. I want one.:(

Originally posted by Jackonicko
Perhaps the sterile and pointless arguments about the slowness of Macs will go away now?

http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

But will it lead to a rush as people buy up the last G4s?

The G5 page on the UK Apple site is interesting.

Click on OS 9 Systems (below the performance strap, where the 'see more' gallery link is on the US page) and you're taken to the G4, which is now labelled as being bootable in OS X and OS 9. The G4 didn't used to boot in OS9, a week ago, did it?

The G4 now looks like incredible value for money, at ?999 for the 1.25 GHz ($1299 in the US), ?1,239 for the dual 1.25 GHz ($1599 in the US), and ?2548.99 for the 2 x 160 GB HD model ($3274 in the US).

Not quite yet.

Yay, more benchmarking shenanigans!
http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
Seems Apple's "test" were done with HyperThreading support and SSE2 support disabled. Not very fair.

There's even a Quake 3 benchmark..
http://www.apple.com/powermac/graphics.html
Except that's a dual Mac against a single P4.. and 275fps is VERY low for Quake3 on that card at that res..
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030623/p4_3200-07.html

It's a nice machine, don't get me wrong. But it isn't the world's fastest desktop.

I never said they were slow (if that's what my post sounded like, then I apologize).

By all means, the new G5 looks very sleek and is definately fast. I just thought that it was an appropriate post, to show that apple (like many many other PC hardware vendors) also skew and hide important facts about their products.

Whether or not it's marginally faster or marginally slower is irrelevant. Surely we can agree that it's fast enough that this is no longer an issue - particularly with the real-world speed advantages offered by the more intuitive UI and greater stability.

Surely Apple have done enough for the pointless, sterile and misleading "Apple computers are slow" criticism to be given a decent burial?

G5 designer Jonathan Ive takes us on a tour of the Power Mac G5:

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59381,00.html

The new G5 is astonishing, however, when is apple going to come out with a computer besides the eMac or iBook that is in the sub $1000 range. I they would have to do is put together a computer for the home user. I myself and I am sure others would jump at the change to buy just an apple tower that runs jaguar/panther. I use a Windows PC, but can't really put the money in to switch completely.

A closer look at the G5 (photos)
http://www.macitynet.it/immagini/visitaconnoi/wwdc2003/g5presentationenglish/

will destroy a G5 at about 30% less $$$.

Why would I want to destroy a G5?

Ummm. It was a joke, see? because you said "destroy" when you meant "out-perform"?

Hey, did you guys hear they're redoing Super Breakout for the Mac? ;) With the new power of the G5 it'll be able to...get this....have real-time 3-D graphics!!! ;) ;) ;)

In all seriousness, I like the new G5's. I won't be buying one (or likely much of any Apple stuff) in the future. I've even vowed if my iPod breaks (again) I'm giving up on it too. However, they (G5 systems) look cool, offer respectable specs, and are a well-timed upgrade for the Mac user. My only gripe is that they don't put a +R/+RW drive in those things. Blargh, I was hoping -R/-RW would be gone by now... ;) ;)

Side note (or Keynote): The most impressive thing to me about Apple in the past 2-3 years is the types/amount of software they're putting out. Wow! You don't know how many die-hard PC users (including myself) have played with Keynote and shed a brief tear or two... ;)

Ouch, that is a lot of fan-age...I didn't pay that much attention to that detail. Hmmm...9 fans? I could have done it with quite a few less...unless that chip runs so obnoxiously hot that's all you can do without getting into phase change or liquid cooling...

...which Apple should do. :) The first mass-marketed liquid cooled system? That would be cool. :)

Oh, I should put my system specs in my sig or something. Wouldn't want anyone to get confused by my potentially "Pro Apple" comments. ;)

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Fastest Mac:
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my guess is it is some kind smart fan system that monitors temperature and increases airflow accordingly.

the fans seem to be controlled by the os, which monitors the system temperature. it seems they are so silent, you can barely tell the computer is on. i read this in an interview with apple?s senior design boss (industrial design). can?t remember his name. :D

edit: there is a link (http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59381,00.html) to that article on page two of this thread.

i don?t think that means the?ll stop functioning in the event of the os crashing. they?re monitored by the os ( http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html) to increase in speed when necessary.

Originally posted by Thesorus
if you look at this picture, at the top, there seems to be a 2nd drive bay with an access to the front below the installed drive.



no there is only one. if you look at this http://www.macminute.com/images/db/wwdc0308.jpg
the empty bay at the top right of this http://www.macminute.com/images/db/wwdc0307.jpg
is at the back of the case, not at the front. it think it is for the 2nd hard disk.

yeah, 1 drive sucks, but maybe there will be an external iSuperdrive in the works (or not...)

Originally posted by AMG
yup, it's for a 2nd serial ATA connected HD.

the more and more I'm thinking about this "case o' holes" I'm diggin' it. I wonder if any companies will market their own ATX cases with such massive venting so that I can build a PC that has such massive air intake/exhaust...? ;)

Just go skeet shooting and aim at your aluminum PC box instead of the clay disks ;)

The fans are reported to be 2 to 3 times more quiet than the latest PowerMac G4 systems.

Why bother with water cooling when you can go the phase change route? ;) Nah, I agree...liquid is better than air...just a lot more expensive and requires more maintenance.