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Starting OVER-Please help!

Hello everyone,

I've had my 15 gb ipod for over a month and have reformated and cleared it, reinstalled apple software, musicmatch etc. over 5 times so far-what a mess!!!!!!! Yet I still have issues with repeating artists on my ipod-I read something about this having a spacing issue with tags-is that the only thing left to do-could it be that it's almost working.

Called ipod and they said to uninstall then reinstall apple software, update it, one more time. But why would it work? So I want to switch to a better software than musicmatch and don't care if it costs me $40. Which is the best one, MC9 or ephpod or Xplay?!? Another question is with tagging, if I have all my tags on musicmatch but use another progrma, will I lose my tags or can I save the files and tags in another directory. I really need a comprehensive step-by-step guide to install MC9 and get all my tags/playlists working well.

I have Win2k and an OrangeMicro firewire card. Any help will be so GREATLY appreciated, and I can't wait to get my #### ipod starting to work the way it's supposed to for its price tag.

~Adam
[1165 byte] By [asg25] at [2007-11-9 12:41:29]
# 1 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
I think you're going to be better off with MC9. They're all good programs, but for what you want to do, in the long run you'll be happier with MC9.

You won't lose your tags, and you should be able to clean them up relatively quickly with MC9, and get synched. You can trial MC9 for free, and we can help you get everything cleaned up...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:22:14 >
# 2 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Hi Chris,
Thanks for replying. So I don't have to store my musicmatch songs anywhere? Should I tag everything again in musicmatch or wait to tag everything in MC9? Also, do I need to install apple software and do the update? Would you be able to spend some time and give me a pretty comprehensive guide to doing this, b/c I've done it too many times already and want to throw my computer out the window. Thanks again.
~Adam
asg25 at 2007-11-15 17:23:14 >
# 3 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Hey, Adam, it's er, Adam.

First off, you might want to check out the Help Guide that's posted as a sticky at the top of this thread. It'll give you some of the basics.

But to get you started. Don't worry about tagging anymore in MMJB, just uninstall it. Then, import all your tunes into MC9, it'll read the tags that MMJB added. You'll need to do some cleaning up because as you'll find MMJB doesn't tag very well.

When you've got your library looking nice and pretty the way you want it, just connect your iPod, reformat it (from w/in MC9) and Sync. You'll be in business.

Check out the help file I did though, it'll give you the basics. Sort of the step-by-step you're looking for I think.

If you have any questions, just post back. Chris, Timmy, Kurt or many of the others will help you out.

Oh, and welcome to the 'lounge! (MC9 is the best IMO) ;)

Adam
ashawley at 2007-11-15 17:24:14 >
# 4 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Listen to Adam - he is wise!
That help file sorted me out a treat - i am now one of the many MC9 converts!

I also use ID3-tagit for some of my tagging aswell.
Do a search and you find a link to it on this forum!
MonkeyIceCube at 2007-11-15 17:25:08 >
# 5 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Hey guys,

Thanks for responding. The help file is from Dec. 2002 though, so does it work for new 3rd gen. 15gb ipods. Also what about the new 9.1 beta version. Adam you said you like it a lot more and it works with 9.1, but as a mc9 novice, should i stick to the basics. Hope to hear from you soon.

~Adam
asg25 at 2007-11-15 17:26:18 >
# 6 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Yes, the help file applies to the gen3's as well--it's well worth looking at.

9.1 is very stable, but it is beta. If that doesn't bother you, then 9.1 is worth it--but be prepared for bugs, and having to install the latest builds, etc. I like 9.1 better than 9.0 (I think it's actually easier to use than 9.0), and I enjoy the beta testing, but it's so stable at this point that I can't remember the last time I had a problem with it. Generally what I do is try to stay current with the latest builds, and if there is a castrophic build and I want to put some new tunes on my ipod, I use ephpod until MC9 is up and going again. It's been eons since I've had to do this though; 9.1 has been working great for me.

If you don't want to deal with a beta product, use 9.0, and upgrade to 9.1 when it's out of beta. One thing to keep in mind--if you go from 9.0 to 9.1, it's no problem--your library will automatically import. But, if you decide to go from 9.1 back to 9.0, you're going to lose your library (even if you've backed it up, you still may lose it). It's not a huge deal (you won't lose your mp3's for example, just your library and playlists), but something to keep in mind..
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:27:18 >
# 7 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Sorry about the double post.

Another question is my computer hard drive is only 15 gb, and I'm going to need to delete the cd's I've put on already (I've done only about 1/4 of the music I want to upload). Once I do that and I sync with Ipod, what will happen to the songs/playlists on the ipod-are they lost b/c I delete the cd's from my computer? Because I know MusicMatch has a "Ignore Content Deletion" button-does MC9 have something like that also? Thanks again guys.

~Adam
asg25 at 2007-11-15 17:28:11 >
# 8 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Yes, it does. When you sync there is a checkbox "Delete files not in list". Leave this checkbox unchecked.

Now, as far as you dilemna about space. If you don't have enough space to keep your tunes on both the PC and the iPod you're going to be missing out a lot on the MC9 functionality. For example, forget smartlists. Which IMO are the best thing about it.

Since the tunes aren't on the PC, you can create the smartlists.

If I were you...I'd save up for a nice 100GB drive. They're cheap these days and life will be so much more fulfilling. ;)

Adam
ashawley at 2007-11-15 17:29:14 >
# 9 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
I don't quite follow-will I have to forget about smartlists b/c I would delete the media or only when I get a new hard-drive then I'd be able to use the smarlists with MC9? Just curious, if I have a Dell Latitude Laptop w/ Win2k, is it easy to transfer my data from existing hard drive to my new one I would install? Thanks Adam.

~Adam
asg25 at 2007-11-15 17:30:12 >
# 10 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Yeah, well, here's the deal. MC9 is a library of your music. If the music isn't on your PC, then it can't build the library. It's not like other tools that are just means to upload to the iPod.

MC9 is more like MMJB. It is a media player and expects the media to be on the PC. The library (i.e. your songs) that you see in Media Center are pointers to the files that exist on your PC.

So, smartlists are playlists that are criteria driven based on what's in your library. If you don't keep any tunes (or very few) on your PC, then you're going to limit what the smartlists have access to.

As far as moving media to a new HDD. It's super easy. You can you MC9 to do it for you, you use the "Rename Files From Properties" feature and it will in essence move the files for you to the new HDD.

If you get to that point, let us know. Chris (dmt1) and I helped a guy out (in a very long thread) and it worked like a charm.

Adam
ashawley at 2007-11-15 17:31:13 >
# 11 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Asg25,

I'm the user that Adam and Chris helped out in the thread, "Will this Setup Work with MC9?"! Thanks to their input, I bought a 120 GB external Western Digital hard drive for my office computer and am happily engaged in what I call "The Big Rip." I'm ripping my music collection of 400-500 CD's onto the hard drive and organizing them on MC9.

The hard drive works like a charm, and it's lots of fun to fiddle around with MC9. The 120 GBdrive cost about $200 with a rebate. You can get external 100 GB drives for less from brands like Iomega and Maxtor, but Western Digital got the highest ratings for reliability in my research. Of course, you could buy an internal drive from Dell for your Lattitude. That may be cheaper.

I'm pre-Ipod. Once I rip close to 30 GB worth of my CD's, I will have justified purchasing the 30 GB Ipod. Then I'm going to verify (on these boards) precisely what I have to do to synchronize my music with the Ipod. By then, I will have invested much time and energy in "The Big Rip," so I hope everything synchronizes smoothly with my Ipod in a month or so.

I could have just bought the Ipod and worked with the 5-10 GB of empty space on my computer's hard drive, but, for reasons that Adam and Chris mentioned, I did not want to do that. It's best to have a drive dedicated to your music.

Hope that helps! Listen to Adam and Chris!!
yez at 2007-11-15 17:32:22 >
# 12 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Hey guys,

So thanks for the replies. I'd definately be interested in purchasing a new external hard-drive, but my question is how easy is it to transfer my music to it from my current hard-drive and in the future. For example, will I need to transfer first to my computer from my external CD-RW (which is already very slow at 2.7x) and then to the external drive at another rate? So how much of a lagging time issue is all these external pieces?

Also, to start my tagging process, when I download MC9 and import my music, do I do it from MusicMatch or from my computer? So do the tags stay even if I delete MusicMatch and the plug-in before I import my music?

Next thing is Apple told me I need to completely uninstall the apple ipod software, plug-in, as well as the updater. Should I do all this before I install MusicCenter? Or wait until after and when I sink the ipod the firsttime it will clear out, but what about the updated software? Also, does will Ipod manager recognize MC9 and launch automatically?

Sorry for all the scattered questions, but I'm craving information to make this transition the least harsh as possible b/c my head is splitting from all the issues already. Thanks gain guys.

~Adam
asg25 at 2007-11-15 17:33:15 >
# 13 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Well, the new expert on the external HD is Yez--he can probably give you some insight on how quickly it went.

You'll import your music from your computer. It wouldn't be a bad idea to remove mmjb before you install MC9--they don't always work well together.

Not sure I understand the next part. Have you already upgraded to 2.0.1? I still have the ipod manager and updater on my computer, but I buried them so the ipod manager doesn't come up--had too many problems with it and MC9, so I just open MC9 and go from there. I left the updater (2.0.1) on my computer so I can restore periodically--I haven't had any problems, not sure why you'd have to delete it.
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:34:23 >
# 14 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
As far as the speed of the drive, if you have USB 2.0 or Firewire in your laptop, the Western Digital 120 GB combo drive works pretty darn fast. Faster than my Dell's internal (5400 rpm drive). My external is 7200 rpm. It's also backwards compatible with USB 1.1.

The external hard drive connects to your laptop and is visible in My Computer as Drive E or F, etc. You simply drag and drop from Drive C (I asssume that's your current hard drive) onto the external. It's not time consuming at all.

Again, you might want to look into the internal Dell hard-drive upgrades. You may be able to buy 100 GB from Dell and install that drive where your disk-drive is (if you still have one). Internals are cheaper than externals.
yez at 2007-11-15 17:35:17 >
# 15 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Also, when you rip tunes, you'll use MC9 to do it. It will rip the tunes directly onto your external/internal drive. So there's no need to move them after you've ripped them. It's all one process.

You can check out the help guide, I think I put this in there. Basically, when you set up MC9 you'll set up a "Base Directory". This is a location on a hard drive (any hard drive) where you keep your tunes. Like on mine it's C:\My Music, then when your rip tunes, MC9 will store the songs in the directory, it'll automatically create an Aritst Directory and an Album directory too (you can customize it to the way you want).

So, it's all done automatically.

Hope that helps. If I were you and you have the space, I'd get an internal drive. I just think they are cheaper and well a little faster. Not that I really know anything about it. It's just what I did.

Adam
ashawley at 2007-11-15 17:36:22 >
# 16 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
Hey guys,

If I do get an internal hard-drive, how will I transfer all my existing files onto the new drive? I know there are extras I can buy that help me to transfer the files, but then won't the costs be pretty similar?

My biggest question is what to do first? Do I download trial version of MC9 and install it or first delete my MusicMatch software and apple plug-in, as well as apple software, etc. and then once the computer is fully clean, re-install apple software, update it, NOT musicmatch, and then use MC9? Thanks again guys.

~Adam
asg25 at 2007-11-15 17:37:26 >
# 17 Re: Starting OVER-Please help!
You've already got an internal HD, right? Moving stuff from one to the other is a couple clicks away--you won't need to buy any extras. Overall the internal will be cheaper, and, provided you don't need to move an external HD from source to source, easier to use. Fewer hassles.

Delete mmjb first. You can leave the updater on your HD, but you might want to disable it--it seems to be hit or miss how well it works with MC9. Or you can get rid of it altogether; once MC9 is on you won't need it until another firmware update comes out--and even then you don't need the updater to update the firmware...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:38:23 >
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