help from the start... BEGINNER!
hi, i am getting an new 15gb ipod july 4th, and want to know what softwear to use to rip/encode and transfer. is there a softwear that will do everything?
i am up for useing ne thing that is free. must be free! and i would like to use ACC for the best quality. and something that is VERY EASY to use/learn. becasue i am not very good when it comes to computer audio.
i know i am asking for alot but anything that you think will do the job will be great.
THANKS
mike
# 1 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Well there are many options out there. MMJB does everything, but it sucks. You can use Ephpod to transfer files. There are others out there, but I am not familiar with them.
Too bad you want a free one, otherwise I would suggest MC9, the ultimate all in one program.:D
# 2 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
is mc9 what i am looking for for just not free?
can sme 1 else comfilme that it is a good program for a beginner? and worth the money?
# 3 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Check out the MC9 section here. It has everything you are looking for and it is definitely worth the money. dmt1 and ashawley will confirm this.
# 4 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
But if you don't want to shell out any money, you can try EphPod. EphPod works great, it's totally intuitive to use, and best of all, FREE. Check out the Software Compendium for a link.
However, it only transfers, and doesn't do any of the other stuff you mentioned. I use CDex for ripping (free), ID3 Tag-It for tagging (free), and then transfer with EphPod (free - do you see a pattern here?).
For you, I'd suggest using MMJB for the ripping and tagging bits, since you got a free copy with your iPod, and it's relatively easy to use, then just use EphPod for the transfer, since it does a better job at that than MMJB does.
Many users here use MC9, but IMO, it's only really worth it if you're using their smart playlists, and I don't need to run queries on my music files as of yet (which is basically what a smart playlist is... "pick all jazz music played by the Ramones that I haven't listened to in the last 2 months, and mix in all of the SKA composed by Beethoven" ;)), so I don't see any point in shelling out the cash when EphPod does everything I need. And also, I'm cheap. :D
# 5 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Vote for MC9...I don't agree w/martini's suggestion on using MMJB to tag and ephpod to upload. Mainly because MMJB doesn't tag well.
If you're going the free route, do what he does, EAC/LAME to rip, id3-tagit to tag, ephpod to upload. Don't even install MMJB from the iPod software.
# 6 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
MC9 IS definitely worth it even if you don't use the smartlists. Tagging features are excellent. I love using it to listen to my tunes also. And it organizes, uploads, and rips with ease. If I had more than two thumbs I would put those up as well. :D
# 7 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
I agree with Adam--if you don't want to pay, use EAC/LAME for ripping/encoding and ephpod to synch.
If you want an all in one application, go with MC9, which overall is my favorite...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:28:20 >

# 8 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
The following unpaid endorsements have been brought to you by MC9. Not afilliated with MC10.
# 9 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
So was my ephpod endorsement "brought to you" by MC9 as well? Are we allowed to give our opinions/suggestions without the insinuations? I have no affiliation with MC9 whatsoever. It's just an opinion, for whomever to take for what it's worth. No agendas at all here my friend, sorry you find that our ever growing MC9 fan club is so offensive...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:30:21 >

# 10 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
And MC10 is not even close to being out yet...
Paid for by friends of those who are not affiliated with MC9
# 11 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
...he's not the only one that feels suffocated by the "ever growing MC9 fan club". As far as I can tell, it's just one or two people constantly adding the same boiler plate text everywhere.
In this thread, the boiler plate stuff is on-topic...but it's not on-topic in this thread (http://ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660).
Sorry Revmike, you and I are going to likely get nasty private msgs now for voicing annoyance over viral marketing. blargh.
Oh, and Timmy...it's an "Athlon" chip......AMD hasn't yet released the "Athalon" which will be a 33-bit, 6mhz speed demon! ;) ;) ;)
AMG at 2007-11-15 17:32:20 >

# 12 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
If there was only one thread asking for help, then there would be only one reply...I personally am just giving what IMHO I feel are the best applications for the ipod. That's what the forums are for right? Everyone is entitled to their opinion (I don't necessarily agree with you about Xplay, but I would never complain about you extolling it's virtues), and when I give mine, I try to remember to let people know that these things can be trialed for free. People are free to take or leave my advice (or anyone else's for that matter) as their own perogative.
And if you look, you'll see more than Timmy, me and Adam extolling MC9.
So, when people ask for advice/help, you will see more of these posts trumpeting MC9. You'll probably chime in for Xplay--and that's great. It will only reenforce the concept that people should try these things for themselves and THEN decide on which to use. I wouldn't bring up MC9, or ephpod and EAC/LAME for that matter, if I honestly didn't believe they were the best programs, respectively. If it bothers you, I'm sorry, but these programs have made all the difference in the world to me to get my ipod functioning the way I want it to--and it's because someone was kind enough to post about these programs that I found them. I'm just passing on what I've learned...And, believe it or not, I've actually been thanked in PMs and occasionally here in the forum (and Adam has been thanked many, many more times than me) for turning someone on to MC9. So, I think by alerting people to it's existence, at least some people have gotten benefit from it.
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:33:30 >

# 13 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
And just as quickly you will see me giving the negatives of MC9, like YADB. What a stupid idea this was!
I use xPlay, love xPlay, but will never advertise for it when someone mentions free. MC9 is a nice program, but will never be something I can use, because it would ruin my tags, and make me enter in all of the tags for 90% of my CD's I own, since it is very unlikely any of them would be in the YADB.
Personally, I think you'll enjoy your iPod just as much as the MC9 folks by using ephPOD and EAC/LAME. I looked at MC9 last week, but I don't use playlists, couldn't care less about smartlists and frankly don't want another mediaplayer. Now if JRiver would add aac, well, then I'd be on the bandwagon with the rest of them, but not until then.
Bill McNair
# 14 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Ok, sorry you've had the problems with YADB, but I can tell you from my experience it is rare that it doesn' t find my disc.
And I just can't justify spending 30 bucks on Xplay, when ephod is so good, and so free (just my opinion)...I think the EAC/LAME ephpod combo makes perfect sense too.
There are ways to use AAC through MC9, but they're a tad complicated--too much so for me to even consider at this point, so I agree with you this a valid point, and if AAC is a must, MC9 is not your best alternative.
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:35:27 >

# 15 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Ah, but I've been using xPlay for about 16 months, so when I started there was only xPlay and ephPod, and I could never seem to get ephPOD to work.
Most of the music I listen to is Japanese, so it's very likely that I would be the one that would have to enter the tag information into YADB, so even if I had MC9 I would still be using EAC/LAME to do the ripping. Since some of my tags are in Japanese I can't use MC9 to upload them so I would have to use ephPOD or xPlay to do the u/ling.
AAC works great with Sveta, but it would be nice if MC9 could handle them. That might be enough to tip the scale to MC9 IMO.
Bill McNair
# 16 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
dmt1,
xplay...what...? I made no mention of such things.
you don't need to rationalize your advertising for me, dude. if you don't agree with revmike or I then let it go.
I hope the PM's you and your posse receive give you the sense of worth you're obviously after.
ta ta, friends. oh, and in this thread...my vote is for EphPod with CDex. ;) end of message from me. :)
AMG at 2007-11-15 17:37:35 >

# 17 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
OK folks, let's play nice and remember what the first question was:
Originally posted by mcwacko1213
hi, i am getting an new 15gb ipod july 4th, and want to know what softwear to use to rip/encode and transfer. is there a softwear that will do everything?
i am up for useing ne thing that is free. must be free! and i would like to use ACC for the best quality. and something that is VERY EASY to use/learn. becasue i am not very good when it comes to computer audio.
i know i am asking for alot but anything that you think will do the job will be great.
THANKS
mike
To which was replied:
Originally posted by Timmy Yak
<snip>
Too bad you want a free one, otherwise I would suggest MC9, the ultimate all in one program.:D
<snip>
To which mcwacko1213 replied:
Originally posted by mcwacko1213
is mc9 what i am looking for for just not free?
can sme 1 else comfilme that it is a good program for a beginner? and worth the money?
So, he invited others to share their opinions on their favorite programs--programs that cost money or not. All responses were appropriate in that they gave their opinions on what pay-product they liked and then gave alternatives for free solutions.
That is until the flaming/trolling started with revmike and AMG, which you know both know is not allowed here.
So, let's stop it folks and play nice or it's locky, locky time.
Adam
# 18 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Enough already.
Disagreeing over the best software is fine; that's what the thread is for after all. But revmike's initial snarky comment is pretty close to flame-baiting.
Those of you who don't like MC9, spend your time extolling the merits of the software you do like, rather than making ad hominem remarks about the people who like it. Such remarks are pretty close to violating our Guidelines. If this thread can't get it together and start being about the pros and cons of software rather than flinging around accusations, well, lockety-lock.
# 19 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
can some 1 give me a link to where i can d/l mc9?
thanks for all your help, but i think i would rather pay for 1 prog that can do everything (MC9) instead of 3 programs that are free.
mike
# 20 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
hehe, mcwacko1213, all you want is your program (any program) so you can upload your tunes. And swirling around you is all this commotion that you just don't care about. Hm, I'm with you mate. :D :D
OK, here's the
MC9 board (http://ipodlounge.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=20), the link you're looking for is the 3rd one down.
There's a free 30 day trial, so no harm done if you don't like it.
Like pretty much everyone said, you can download and try 'em all. They all work well and are either free or have free trials.
The programs available are: Xplay, MC9 & Ephpod. There are boards here for each. Just don't use MMJB. :(
Adam
# 21 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Geesh, I was just trying to be funny. Relax people, drop your rocks. People can use what they want. I don't have anything against mc9 or those who use it. Ya'll need to lighten up.
# 22 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
you could have used emoticons to make sure people understand your wit. when people don?t have the tone of your voice or a facial expression, it?s sometimes hard to understand every joke. not a big deal. goodnight everyone :)
m.r.m. at 2007-11-15 17:43:32 >

# 23 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
:D I have been known to have a "dry" sense of humor. To any and all that my post may have offened, Please accept my humblest apologies. I meant no disrespect, nor was I looking to start any type of war.
# 24 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Originally posted by AMG
Oh, and Timmy...it's an "Athlon" chip......AMD hasn't yet released the "Athalon" which will be a 33-bit, 6mhz speed demon! ;) ;) ;)
Well then why does my computer say that it has one?;)
# 25 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Bottom line on all this: MC9 is my personal favorite. You can trial it for free and decide for yourself wether it's for you or not. You can and should also trial Xplay, and ephpod for that matter, and then decide for yourself. What's best for me may or may not be best for someone else.
This has no bearing on whatsoever on my sense of personal worth (my profession takes care of that), although since taking up MC9 I do notice that a certain body odor problem I had has completely resolved. My teeth have gotten straighter too.
Sorry, but I simply cannot take an attack on my software preference seriously, or personally, life is WAY too short for that.:D
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:46:37 >

# 26 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
And I have no problem with anyone who loves MC9 but since this is an international forum I plan on pointing out that some users may have problems uploading international characters with some programs, since there is nothing worse than having a program destroy all of the work you did tagging.
Bill McNair (Happy he made a second copy of his music folder)
# 27 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Southside: Your points are well taken and I agree with you absolutely--MC9 isn't for everyone--the learning curve, yadb in situations such as yours, and cost, for example, are going to make other options better choices for some. I have no problem with people bringing up situations where MC9 may not be the best option--heck I encourage it, as well as comparisons to other applications. For me, MC9 was the difference between getting an ipod and not getting one. I hated mmjb, and wanted an all in one application. And that's why I am so high on MC9.
The best thing about all this is that all these applications can be trialed for free before committing to a purchase...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:48:39 >

# 28 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Guess we're all friends again. Good to see. Thanks for the stand upishness there revmike. ;)
Beers are on me!
Now, after all this I bet MC9 causes mcwacko1213's PC to catch on fire and his iPod to self-implode. Wouldn't ya just bet on it. :D
(just kidding mcwacko1213, none of that will happen)
Adam
# 29 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Well Chris's iPod did blow up, and the cause is still unknown... :)
# 30 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
MC9 the difference between getting and not getting an iPod? Why I remember the old days when we didn't have it as easy as you young punks have it today. I have a 10gb v1 and finding the Pre-Release version of xPlay convinced me that is was time to buy the iPod. As soon as I got it home and installed xPlay I killed my iPod and had to take it back to the Apple Store to get it reformatted, just so I could bring it home and screw it up again. As I remember it took me three days to get some music on it. Now those were great days.
Bill McNair
# 31 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Oh yeah?? Well it's uphill BOTH WAYS to and from my local Best Buy. And the hill is covered by an oil slick and vegetable oil. And people throw stuff at me when I get to Best Buys front door. And the automatic door shut on my nose and my, er, my, um, favorite body part...So don't tell me YOU have it rough mister...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:52:43 >

# 32 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Originally posted by Timmy Yak
Well Chris's iPod did blow up, and the cause is still unknown... :)
Nope, I figured it out, Kurt did it with his dmt1 ipod voodoo doll...Geez I thought you knew that Timmy...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 17:53:47 >

# 33 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Oh wait. Yeah I do remember that. :)
# 34 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Originally posted by ashawley
That is until the flaming/trolling started with revmike and AMG, which you know both know is not allowed here.
Did you just call me a troll? :mad:
I thought "trolling" (the verb) is when you're in a fishing boat you do a semi-guided float to find fish?
Ah, all these funny words...flames...trolls...how can one keep up? ;)
Oh well, there still isn't any such thing as an Athalon. ;)
have a great independence day weekend! (to all the US podders). my regards to all the UK podders... ;)
ya know, not to completely tilt-a-whirl this topic...but...I guess I could always use MC9 on the same system as XPlay, right?
I sync with folders on my hard drive so wmp9 integration is no issue to me. Perhaps I'll troll over to the MC9 forum and politely ask for a knowledge injection on the tagging features of MC9...
AMG at 2007-11-15 17:55:53 >

# 35 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Ok this the last time I am going to post about this. The sticker on the front of my computer say AMD Athalon Processor. When I right click and open properties on My Computer, it says AMD Athalon Processor. Oh and look right here (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756,00.html) on AMD's web site. They talk about their ATHALON Processor. Now if that's not enough for ya, I know I can find more.:) ;)
# 36 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
hehe, er, Timmy? I don't see Athalon on that link. I do see Athlon as AMG is mentioning.
I think it's time for some new glasses perhaps? :D :D
OMG, this thing has gone full circle. AMG is looking into MC9? My whirl has been tilted! ;)
Adam
# 37 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Oops sorry. Look here. ( http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734_3748,00.html) This shows the past models of the processors and the date they were released.
And how did you know I wear glasses?:confused:
# 38 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
LOL, yer killing me man! I still don't see any thing that says "Ath-A-lon". Even a search of the site doesn't come up with anything..
I think I'm going to start calling your Mr. MacGoo! ;)
Adam
# 39 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
not trying to hurt your feelings...I couldn't find anything on athalon... I think someone made a typo when they made your case sticker. ;)
don't feel bad, I wear glasses too. :) and a glass eye. and a wooden leg. argh!!!! ;) ;) but, seriously, I always feel old when my eyes start to drop to a lower level... I'm going to cry now. lol
AMG at 2007-11-15 18:00:50 >

# 40 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Oh come on you guys are killing me. It says AMD Athlon? XP Processor Model 8 Data Sheet, AMD Athlon? XP Processor Model 6 Data Sheet. Now I know that you guys did see this. Come on I know there's an Athalon, I know there is. :(
Edit: Awe ####!!!! Nevermind. I'm stupid and you guys are right. I am going to crawl back into my corner and resume fetal position and cry myself to sleep. I didn't see the
Ath A lon and Athlon. I shall change my sig now. :( :( :( :( :( :(
# 41 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Should we kick Timmy out of the Posse? Can we allow someone who is vowel challenged to be a member?
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 18:02:52 >

# 42 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Originally posted by dmt1
Should we kick Timmy out of the Posse? Can we allow someone who is vowel challenged to be a member?
'm sooorry gys. For some reson I likee to add vowls here and thre and take them out evryy once in a while. :D
# 43 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
he's a good guy, don't kick him out. we have a color blind dude in my posse. lol :)
AMG at 2007-11-15 18:05:02 >

# 44 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
ok everyone... i d.l MC9 and it is GREAT the only problem is that it dosent have ACC but o well. i am getting my ipod in 2 days and it seems that it will wokr fine. thanks for all the helpful info on all the programs.
mike
# 45 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
it does support monkey though...
don't you wish the ipod supported monkey?
AMG at 2007-11-15 18:06:56 >

# 46 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Nah, we don't need a monkey, we've got Timmy...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 18:07:55 >

# 47 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Hoo Hoo Hoo Haa Haa Haa Haa Haa
# 48 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
chris, you slay me big time! :D
m.r.m. at 2007-11-15 18:10:06 >

# 49 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
Now Timmy, you do know that the sound you made reference to is typically attributed to the Chimpanzee. And as you may or may not know the Chimpanzee is not a monkey; rather, it is a member of the Great Apes, along w/Gorilla's and the Orangutan. Not to be confused with the Lessor Apes (Gibbons and Siamangs).
It is a common mistake to refer to Chimpanzee's as Monkeys, but it is truly an insult to them and they take great offense to it. And you don't want to pi$$ off a Chimp, trust me on this one.
This public service announcement brought to you by The Great Ape Anti-Defamation League"
:D :D
Adam
# 50 Re: help from the start... BEGINNER!
adam is referring to the pongid family. so is timmy pongiddy? :D
m.r.m. at 2007-11-15 18:12:05 >
