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Music Downloading & RIAA Threat

Now that the RIAA is going to try to start sueing [most] everyone for downloading music, will this effect your downloading habits? Will you still download files?
[161 byte] By [mongoos150] at [2007-11-9 12:30:07]
# 1 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
I didn't download them all that much to begin with. I won't say I've never done it, but the file quality varies too much and it's easy to wind up with corrupt files that won't play on my iPod. I'd rather pay a buck at the iTunes store and get something reliable.
caterinka at 2007-11-15 18:11:21 >
# 2 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
See, what I wanna know is, how they actually are planning to sue EVERYONE that downloads music, in the US alone there are at least one or two million people that pirate music, how can you sue ALL of these ppl?!?
destined_wind at 2007-11-15 18:12:21 >
# 3 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Maybe this whole site is a front for the RIAA to collect the IP addresses of anyone who votes Yes in the poll above :-) :-)

To be honest, since using Kazaa, I've mostly used it to download either:

Nostalgic old heavy rock/metal I listened to as a kid and probably owned on either album or casette (remember those...)

A few tracks off a new album to decide if I like it: for about 2/3rds of these I've clicked straight onto play.com and ordered the CD. For the others I've usually dumped the files soon after.

Graeme
bighairy at 2007-11-15 18:13:31 >
# 4 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
One thing is for sure the RIAA will never shutdown the Gnutella Network, good old Limewire!

I don't believe that the RIAA's threats (if you wanna call them that) effect the Canadian people, am I wrong to assume this?

2point3L
2point3l at 2007-11-15 18:14:25 >
# 5 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
I dont think it would be worth the money/time/trouble to sue everyone... maybe just the ppl with 100's MP3's for download...
billysardar at 2007-11-15 18:15:24 >
# 6 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by 2point3l
One thing is for sure the RIAA will never shutdown the Gnutella Network, good old Limewire!

I don't believe that the RIAA's threats (if you wanna call them that) effect the Canadian people, am I wrong to assume this?

2point3L

You're wrong, on the news they said it would be suing users from the US and Canada (since a lot of our albums are released up there).
JamesContrades at 2007-11-15 18:16:34 >
# 7 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by JamesContrades
You're wrong, on the news they said it would be suing users from the US and Canada (since a lot of our albums are released up there).

I'm not so sure that the RIAA can do that, here's why I think that:

1) RIAA stands for Recording Industry Association of America
(hence the America part and not North America)

2) There website clearly states...and I quote:
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is the trade group that represents the U.S. recording industry.
RIAA members create, manufacture and/or distribute approximately 90% of all legitimate sound recordings produced and sold in the United States.
RIAA.com Website (http://www.riaa.com/about/default.asp)

With these 2 facts in mind, I doubt very much the RIAA has any effect and/or say of what goes on in Canada. Lets not forget The United States is not considered as North America. Canada is also a country with it's own laws and regulations for the recording and distribution of music.

There is no cross border laws and regulations so any American music produced in America is not subject to the same terms when it cross's Canadian borders. Those terms and laws are decided by the recording companies such as EMI Canada and Universal Canada and so forth.

2point3L
2point3l at 2007-11-15 18:17:27 >
# 8 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
i really dont like the RIAA... plus they cant sue my ### all the way over here in the middle east :D
trix at 2007-11-15 18:18:30 >
# 9 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
But they can "sue" you will a shower of patriot missiles (j/k)...
destined_wind at 2007-11-15 18:19:38 >
# 10 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
the RIAA can kiss my arse. those dumb packet kiddies
iamaustin at 2007-11-15 18:20:39 >
# 11 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
destined_wind: probably wrong, but I am LMAO!!!

2point3l: Are you sure you are not just getting defensive because you download music?!
mongoos150 at 2007-11-15 18:21:37 >
# 12 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
hey mongoos150

hahaha, no I'm on the defense because of what JamesContrades said about the RIAA and Canada. I just want every American to know that Canada is very different from the United States. Whether that be the RIAA, the judicial system or even the difference in government's, Canada does not fall under American laws, although I'm sure Canada will follow suite eventually on the whole illegal downloading issue of music. Thats all I was trying to say. Please do not take offense to this reply. I love America! :)

2point3L
2point3l at 2007-11-15 18:22:36 >
# 13 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
i think the RIAA should be shut down. I think its a right to download music, not all of us have the money to go out and buy every album that we want (i'm not saying i dont have the money, but i'm trying to speak for the people who dont). Instead of trying to sue people and steal money, they should figure out another way musicians can get money, i'm sure they're getting enough even if we do download music. The RIAA is just selfish if u ask me... bunch of losers...
trix at 2007-11-15 18:23:42 >
# 14 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by trix
i think the RIAA should be shut down. I think its a right to download music, not all of us have the money to go out and buy every album that we want (i'm not saying i dont have the money, but i'm trying to speak for the people who dont). Instead of trying to sue people and steal money, they should figure out another way musicians can get money, i'm sure they're getting enough even if we do download music. The RIAA is just selfish if u ask me... bunch of losers...

Please take no offence, but saying they are a selfish bunch of losers is a very childish comment. The RIAA is trying to protect the rights of recording artists and their subsidiaries. No I don't condone the RIAA, (I don't really know a whole lot about them) but we do need them, or at least recording artists need them. It is not a right to be able to download music; whether you have the money to buy a cd or not. If someone cannot afford a luxury like cds, should they be handed over to them? Of course not. "Figure out another way musicians can make money"? That is how they make money! How else would they make money on the music they produce than the profits they make by selling their albums?! Anyway I am just venting because I thought that was such a poorly thought out post. All IMHO :D
mongoos150 at 2007-11-15 18:24:36 >
# 15 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by mongoos150
"Figure out another way musicians can make money"? That is how they make money! How else would they make money on the music they produce than the profits they make by selling their albums?! Anyway I am just venting because I thought that was such a poorly thought out post. All IMHO :D

wrong. about 90% of artists' money is made through touring, promotions, etc... the big music labels are selfish pigs that suck both the consumer and artist dry of everything. so, i download all my music, but pay for the concerts of my favorite bands. this way, i know most my money is going to the artist and not the ceos of music labels.
torchedlh at 2007-11-15 18:25:39 >
# 16 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by torchedlh
wrong. about 90% of artists' money is made through touring, promotions, etc... the big music labels are selfish pigs that suck both the consumer and artist dry of everything. so, i download all my music, but pay for the concerts of my favorite bands. this way, i know most my money is going to the artist and not the ceos of music labels.

You are wrong. The money we pay for a cd gets split 20 different ways (at least). Artists make 90% of their money through record sales, I know because my friends uncle is VP of Tower Records. I have talked with him and he knows about all of this stuff. In terms of them being "selfish pigs" you need to talk with someone high in the music industry and talk with them about how record profits are split; because you are sadly mistaken.
mongoos150 at 2007-11-15 18:26:43 >
# 17 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
IIRC the RIAA was going to go after those who make a "large number" of files available, not every single person who downloads. If you cut off the few big collections, the stream turns into a trickle. What their idea of a "large number" is is another question.
baggss at 2007-11-15 18:27:40 >
# 18 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
A previous post states that 1 to 2 million people in the US use File Sharing. 1-2 million?! It is now estimated at 40 million, with thousands and thousands downloading programs like kazaa every day! Check download.com to see how many download it a week. You'll be surprised.
Manifesto at 2007-11-15 18:28:44 >
# 19 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
the new versions of kazaa lite and kazaa k++ are supposed to disable the ability for the riaa to track what you download. so happy downloading.
boister77 at 2007-11-15 18:29:42 >
# 20 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
I mostly download hard to find techno stuff.Its hard to find good techno music on CD an lots of times there aren vinyls of them either.But the stuff the riaa is saying about brotecting the artists is bull!! I mean does madonna or shakira look pure to you?they've got millions!!Why should i pay for madonnas Ferrari eh??
FanaticBee at 2007-11-15 18:30:44 >
# 21 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by boister77
the new versions of kazaa lite and kazaa k++ are supposed to disable the ability for the riaa to track what you download. so happy downloading.

Indeed :D
Also Kazaa Lite K++ eliminates spyware.
mongoos150 at 2007-11-15 18:31:40 >
# 22 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
what is K++? i have kazaa lite and it's great. no spyware and i think it gives you priority over other when downloading as it tells everyone i have about 100000 files. but i don't think RIAA is a threat to me as i'm not recognized as a user.
torchedlh at 2007-11-15 18:32:49 >
# 23 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
K++ is the latest update from Kazaa - I actually believe its a different version from Kazaa Lite (it just does little things like eliminate spyware). I would highly reccomend dl-ing K++.
mongoos150 at 2007-11-15 18:33:49 >
# 24 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
To answer the stated question very bluntly, yes I will continue to download music.

I know that downloading music from places like Kazaa or getting it off the web on bittorrent sites is technically illegal, but to put it quite simply, I don?t care. Despite what the RIAA claims, I know for a fact that I will not be sued for downloading some songs off the Internet. It?s just not reasonable. Therefore, I will give no thought to the issue and go about my ways.

Is this na?ve? Nope, I?m fully aware of what I?m doing in addition to being fully aware of the stated risks. The RIAA simply does not have the recourses to sue me because I download songs from time to time. And even if they did, do you really think they would want to? The public outcry would be deafening.

A lot of people here are making posts trying to infer their benign downloading ways due to the fact that they just download songs to check and see if they like them, or to hear long lost tunes. Do I believe this? Yea, I suppose some people are like that. But let me tell you what myself and millions of other people around the world are like in their downloading habits (really this is unnecessary because most people reading this know what I?m about to say, but what the hell, I?ll humor myself).

If I hear a song I like, or get recommended something by a friend, I go to the Internet and download it. If I like the song, I transfer it to my I-Pod so that I can always have it with me. Will I buy this bands album later? Probably not, unless they happen to be a band I like. Will I delete the song in a couple of weeks to make sure that I am not breaking the law too much? Not unless I stop liking it. Now what do I do when I hear a band I like? Well if it?s a band I really like (such as Radiohead, Juno Reactor, The Chemical Brothers and so on?) I will go to the store and buy the album.

But if I visit a friend and he lets me listen to a new album that I think is pretty good, that CD will most likely be taking a quick trip to the Burner so I can have a copy and save some money at the same time. Could I have afforded to buy it? Probably, but now I have the money for other things.

My point is? Well I guess I don?t really have a point. All I wanted to show is that I am the typical American young adult who is not afraid to admit what he really does with music. I am certain that many of you reading this do exactly the same types of things.

Does this make me a problem for the music industry? Yea, a small one. Does it make me a bad person? Nope.
Vincent19 at 2007-11-15 18:34:49 >
# 25 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Commenting on how much money the artist makes on one cd, the average cd runs 14 dollars and the artist gets about one dollar of it. The rest goes to the record company and their branches of their comapny. It just makes me ####ed that they barely get any of their own creation(that is if they wrote it, the only good bands out their do). If I ever download anything it is to see how a new band or new album sounds and it ussally is one or two songs. I listen to it decide if I like it and I delete it. I then go out and buy it if I like it. I just dont download tons of cds. I rather download a few songs decide if I like and buy. What a simple concept, I wish the RIAA would see it this way.
LiquidGUI at 2007-11-15 18:35:54 >
# 26 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Vincent19 I agree that you're unlikely to get caught, but I think you're wrong about the RIAA suing you if they do catch you. The RIAA has already sued--successfully--numerous college kids. Has there been public outcry? A little in some communities, but obviously not that much. If they do catch you, they probably will sue you, and they probably will win, becuase what you're doing is illegal and the court system recognizes that.

Note that this doesn't mean I agree that this is what the RIAA ought to be doing with their time and energy--instead, I think they ought to be working on a less outmoded and expensive distribution process, and producing better (wider variety) products--but don't live under the illusion that they wouldn't try to sue (and probably win) just because you're a small fish. You just have to rely on the low but increasing probability of being caught.
SunByrne at 2007-11-15 18:36:53 >
# 27 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
Originally posted by LiquidGUI
Commenting on how much money the artist makes on one cd, the average cd runs 14 dollars and the artist gets about one dollar of it. The rest goes to the record company and their branches of their comapny. It just makes me ####ed that they barely get any of their own creation(that is if they wrote it, the only good bands out their do). If I ever download anything it is to see how a new band or new album sounds and it ussally is one or two songs. I listen to it decide if I like it and I delete it. I then go out and buy it if I like it. I just dont download tons of cds. I rather download a few songs decide if I like and buy. What a simple concept, I wish the RIAA would see it this way.

exactly my point. when you download music, you're hardly cheating the artist/band as barely any of the sales go to them. therefore, i don't buy the CDs, but i support them by going to their concerts etc. (concerts and endorsements are the two main sources of income for artists).
torchedlh at 2007-11-15 18:37:48 >
# 28 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
im still gonna be downloadin music... but ill be MUCH more carefull... i dunno how thoe :p probably just by cancellin uploads :p
trix the rabbit at 2007-11-15 18:38:53 >
# 29 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
It don't matter if they try to sue the people because i think they should sue the internet provideers for not trying to stop from download from illegal sources.

And if they did try to trace my ip, it would be hard since i have a good built in fierwall on my router
chinieman2002 at 2007-11-15 18:39:48 >
# 30 Re: Music Downloading & RIAA Threat
they are not sueing even close to everyone. There are certain required steps that that the RIAA has already broken in regards to issuing a subpoena to people they wish to sue. A subpoena is something (anyone) must issue to the court and must be done before a proper law suit can be carried out. the RIAA has already failed to do this a number of times and has been called on it and they are getting into some trouble themselves. Their idle threats of going sue happy mean nothing to the goverment, if due clause is not followed. For the whole story click HERE (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08082003e.php)
deftdrummer1 at 2007-11-15 18:40:51 >
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