iPod Through Home Stereo System
Just bought the Monster Cable iCable to connect my iPod (Mac-30GB) through my home stereo system. Personal opinion is that the sound quality SUCKS! I'm an extensive live music trader and completely understand that there is a loss of quality with mp3, but what I'm hearing is crazy. Bass is horrible and sound is muddled...but what I'm not understanding is when i convert these same mp3s to AIFF and burn them to CD, they sound perfectly fine...
What are some other experiences with connecting your iPod through your home system? Playing with the Eq (Bass Reducer) helps and so does turning the volume down on the iPod and up on the stereo receiver, but it's still an almost embarrassing sound quality to play for a party. Apple and Monster Cable both boast CD quality/audiophile sound from iPod, and through the earphones I'd agree...but not through home stereo equipment. Was wondering what other people are experiencing and doing to get proper sound (tweaks/advise) with this set-up.
# 1 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Are you using the dock's line-out connector or the headphone connector on the iPod? I have my iPod hooked to my home system through the dock's line-out connector, and the music is beautiful.
Also, make sure you are not connecting into a "phono" jack on your receiver or you will have horrid sound.
Joe at 2007-11-15 14:18:06 >

# 2 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Yeah, I thought the ipod sucked when connected to a home stereo system or to a car with an aux input jack, until I used it with the line out port. It sounds awesome when you connect the ipod to your stereo system with an aux line in port, thru the line out port on your Ipods dock, or with associated accessories.
# 3 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I had a rather bad sound quality with iSinster (my ipod) even when connecting through my aux. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the bitrate i encoded at-128. Thoughts?
Also, on the cable, does spending extra moolah on a cable really make the sound better? Sorry, am not an engineer, so wanted to make sure. Secondly, I am pretty sure I am gonna get the iTrip once it comes out for the Gen3 ipods; do you think that at home the sounds wuality maybe better than in the car with iTrip? considering you can "lock-in" to one station and you should experience relatively lower interference?
On a slighlty brighter note, If i get my sound sorted for my home stereo, i dont think i will ever need cd's again! just store it all on the iSinster. :D :D
# 4 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
That's my plan too - finish ripping my CDs to mp3, store them in the iPod - with backups on a much smaller number of CDs kept out of sight.
I'm also gradually replacing physical books with ebooks wherever possible.
Ben
# 5 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I had hooked up my iPod to my stereo yesterday for the first time since I got my iPod and it sounded really good.
My home stereo system is older and made by a company called Akai. I have a "Realistic" equalizer with many RCA jacks OUT. I bought a Y-splitter from Radio Shack that has a headphone jack on one end and splits into 2 Left/Right RCA jacks.
Adjusting my equalizer a bit, I was able to get good sound quality out of my stereo speakers. I even set the equalizer on my iPod to Bass so I got more pumping sounds outta my little iPod.
Y-Splitter Specs:
Koss Evolution Shielded Y-Adapter
3.5mm (1/8") stereo plug to 2 RCA plugs
24K gold plated connector
Thanks,
2point3L
# 6 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I've got my 30 gig iPod hooked up to my stereo system via the line out on the dock. Other than the treble being a little weak (which was easily solved by just bumping it up on my receiver) it sounds great.
As far as cables go, generally you'll be fine if you just use shielded cables. Monster cables are overkill for most setups. In my experience, the part of the system that quality is BY FAR most noticable on is speakers. If you're paying a noticable fraction of total setup cost on cabling, you need better speakers...
# 7 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by sinster
I had a rather bad sound quality with iSinster (my ipod) even when connecting through my aux. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the bitrate i encoded at-128. Thoughts?
Ew, 128? No wonder it sounds awful.
Try using encoding with --alt-preset standard using LAME, and I bet the sound quality will be improved dramatically.
nekura at 2007-11-15 14:24:16 >

# 8 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
The Monster Cable iCable goes through the headphone port (don't you look at the packaging? ;) ), which is why you're getting such horrible sound. Go to your local CompUSA or Best Buy and purchase an RCA "Y" cable. Next, plug the two cables into the auxilary in ports on your stereo system, and plug the other end into the line out port on your iPod dock. You'll notice a dramatic improvement.
I just tried going through my headphone port with my Y cable and it sounded horrible.
# 9 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
The sound should not be as bad as he describes -even if he is using the iPod's headphone out rather than the line-out.
What receiver are you using? The only things I can think of are to check to make sure you're not using the "phono" input (generally on older receivers). It's also possible the input you're using is bad...can you try others?
Go to your local CompUSA or Best Buy and purchase an RCA "Y" cable. Next, plug the two cables into the auxilary in ports on your stereo system, and plug the other end into the line out port on your iPod dock
This isn't right.
I'm an owner of an "old" iPod so I haven't actually seen the line-out in person, but isn't it a miniplug type? Meaning, an RCA "Y" adapter wouldn't work as the the single plug part wouldn't fit into the iPod dock. Even if it did, you wouldn't get stereo sound with this method.
Look again at the Monster iCable...it is exactly the right thing. Stereo miniplug at one end (for the line-out) and dual RCA's for the R & L channels to the receiver.
iCamp at 2007-11-15 14:26:18 >

# 10 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Headphone out shouldn't be as bad as everyone says. There's got to be something else wrong along the audio chain. I plugged up my iPod temporarily into my car thru tape deck from headphone out and it sounded pretty good.
Check again. Bad cables or malfunctioning receiver inputs/wrong placement for input cables are probably the culprit.
# 11 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by iCamp
This isn't right.
I'm an owner of an "old" iPod so I haven't actually seen the line-out in person, but isn't it a miniplug type? Meaning, an RCA "Y" adapter wouldn't work as the the single plug part wouldn't fit into the iPod dock. Even if it did, you wouldn't get stereo sound with this method.
The dock has one connection for the RCA cable.
Just plug one end of the RCA cable into the dock's line out, and then plug in the other two ends (left/right channels) into your receivers aux inputs.
Basically you plug it in the same was as with the old ipods, but instead of using the headphone jack, you use the analog lineout.
Kenny at 2007-11-15 14:28:26 >

# 12 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I just noticed that, unless I am mistaken, Monster cable has another cable that performs the same function as the iCable for $15 less. What is the difference between this cable and the iCable. This cable is $15. The iCable is $30.
http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&oid=59420&catoid=-8748&department=Audio+and+Video+Accessories&category=Audio%20Cables%20and%20Connectionsc=1&b=g
# 13 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I have my 30Gb iPod hooked to my home stereo via the iPod's headphone jack at the moment. No sound problems to speak of whatsoever. I have noticed that some recordings seem to be made at higher volume levels than others, which causes minor problems, however.
I have a high-end Onkyo setup and the connection is through RCA-style inputs to the tape2-monitor input of the receiver.
I'm waiting for my second dock and power cable so that I can simply drop it into the dock and have it charge while it plays through the home stereo. Apple seems to be a bit backed-up with orders for the new gen iPod accessories at the moment. The dock and cable that came with the iPod are currently attached to the computer, and it's tough to get behind it to unplug the cable from the firewire card.
Any fans of the band Rush out there? I've got issues with the recording quality on the new Vapor Trails CD and wanted to know if anyone else found it to be a bit muddled-sounding as well. This happens no matter what I play it on, CD, MP3, or on my minidisc player. Great CD, crappy recording! :(
# 14 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
is this one any good?
Belkin Audio Y Cable Splitter 1-Mini Plug/2-RCA Plugs (6FT) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004Z5CP/ref=cm_wl_ovu-pg.1-pos.2/102-5158862-3965761?v=glance&coliid=I3BUQOQ19KHWZL&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
it's on sale for 3.74 at amazon, but does anyone know if it is any good? the guy in the review said it was pretty good. why would the monster cable be almost 10 times as much?
brian
# 15 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
IMHO, monster cables (whether they be for audio or video) are completey and outrageously overpriced. Definately not worth the high price tag.
Kenny at 2007-11-15 14:32:30 >

# 16 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Because of the name pretty much. For this kind of audio any cable would work.
# 17 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by Kenny
IMHO, monster cables (whether they be for audio or video) are completey and outrageously overpriced. Definately not worth the high price tag.
Your opinion is valid, but I recently purchased a Sony High-Def Big screen rear-projection (mouthful) with all new sound/video equipment and after switching from the included cables to the monster cables I bought (set me back about $500) the difference is very noticable. Overpriced yes, but tough to beat the performance. I realise you average Joe (without a $3000 tv) would not buy Monster cables :) .
# 18 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
You're both right. The monster cables are the best cables overall, but alot of people won't notice the difference in performance (for an HDTV, I would go with monster cables. For an mp3 player, I'd go with something cheaper).
The monster cables are incredibly marked up in price--I have a family member who works at Best Buy, and the markup is in the neighborhood of 3-5 times cost...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 14:35:28 >

# 19 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by dmt1
You're both right. The monster cables are the best cables overall, but alot of people won't notice the difference in performance (for an HDTV, I would go with monster cables. For an mp3 player, I'd go with something cheaper).
The monster cables are incredibly marked up in price--I have a family member who works at Best Buy, and the markup is in the neighborhood of 3-5 times cost...
Monster Cables are way over priced. There not even that great of a cable. Head over to http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/index.php and do a search for Monster Cable. You will see what I mean.
Many people have done double blind tests to show that people can't tell the difference from a RatShack cable and a Monster Cable. So save yourself a few bucks and cheaper cables.
edit: link fixed
# 20 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Monster Cables are definitely the best. Why? Because the higher quality cables have better materials which allow for better conductivity which in turn provides a higher bandwith & Frequency Response = higher highs and (more noticible in cables) lower lows. However, most won't notice a difference unless they were to switch from the cheapest possible cables to the highest quality monster cables and did a back to back A/B test.
When using a Subwoofer (not applicable to iPod) the cabling makes the most noticible difference in sound quality.
Moral of the story: you always want the best cables you can get BUT at the same time, if your signal sounds like complete crap, it is not generally due to the cables unless they are defective. If the headphone jack is used, make sure the iPod's volume is between 85 & 95%. Set too low will give you a undesirable signal to noise ratio and set too high you might get a distorted signal. Also, for best sound out of iPod set the EQ to flat/off and use the bass or treble knobs on your amplifier instead.
If your iPod/files sound great through headphones, they should be able to soung great through your stereo, provided everything is set up correctly and that your stereo & speakers are of reasonable quality.
NiTRO at 2007-11-15 14:37:29 >

# 21 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Before I bought my 15gb iPod, I tested the iCable from Monster Cable and a generic GE cable (from Fry's) through the headphone port on my Zen 2.0. The cost difference was about 9X and the sound quality difference was 0X on my Onkyo receiver with Infinity HTS speakers. Of course the iCable went back to Best Buy. Now I am glad there is a line-out on the dock.
doboy at 2007-11-15 14:38:35 >

# 22 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I recently bought a monster icable to connect to my home stereo. I do not have a high end system, mine is an aiwa shelf stereo. With my ipod connected and turned up to about 90% volume the sound was very good. I had good bass, midrange and highs. I rip all my mp3's with MM, yes that's right, at 160 vbr. I had previously tried a cable that I had laying around from radio shack, that did ok, but to me the icable sounds so much better. For me it was well worth the extra expense.
# 23 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Monster cables IMHO are not high quality cables and are overpriced.
If you don't want to break the bank on a cable for your iPod, I strongly recommend getting an Acoustic Research RCA-mini cable (model AP042) available from BestBuy (www.bestbuy.com if a store is not near you) for $12.99 - you can't go wrong with this cable. It beats the hell out of crappy radioshack cables and monster iCable too - just A/B it if you want to hear it for yourself. I use this in my car with iPod and AUX input to factory stereo and have A/B'd it with CD player and iPod playing EAC ripped, LAME 3.90.2 -alt-preset extreme mp3s and the differences in sound quality are subtle if not insignificant
http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=58&cat=644&scat=&e=11054074
Bottom line is that your MP3 bit rate encoding as well as the quality of your CD rip will have a tremendous impact on sound quality especially when playing through a more revealing source such as a decent home stereo. Lower bit rates will sound worse and any decent source will reveal the limits of mp3.
Hope this proves helpful!
Check out www.head-fi.org (cables forum) if you want to research audio interconnects too
# 24 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
No offense to anyone but Monster Cables are NOT the best cables out there.
Guys and gals we're talking about hooking up a analog signal from an iPod to a receiver. We're not talking about component video cables which carry HiDef signals nor are we even speaking of PCM Digital.
I honestly can tell a difference through my stereo (Integra 7.1) and my 7.1 setup including NHT and Velodyne SPL, verses the older Archos Jukebox that I had that had a dedicated Digital PCM output. The sound was much better.
So all in all for the iPod a regular plain jane 1/8" to RCA stereo cable won't make much difference at all.
Sean
# 25 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I'll second the vote for Acoustic Research from Best Buy. It's still a bit overpriced, but it splits the difference nicely between Monster and radioshack/recoton/whatever.
It seems to be a good quality cable. Nice and thick, sturdy, tight connectors. I've got one in my car for the iPod, a digital coax for my DVD player->receiver, RCA for my TV->receiver, and I've been happy with them. I'd like to upgrade to them across the board, just because they seem nice and durable. I'm not convinced they make sound quality noticeably better, but I'm not convinced about Monster either.
Bottom line, if you're picky, cheap cables might bug you enough (either actually or perceived) that it's worth it, particularly if you've got a lot of money invested in your stereo. If you're not very picky about sound quality, don't pay it. Especially if you listen to 128 mp3s or if your stereo costs under $500.
# 26 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I had posted this question in the gears area then noticed this thread, apologize for the double post. I have a 2nd gen 10GB and am using the monster iCable to my stereo (Harmon Kardon) thru the earphone jack (my model has no docks). It works thru the Phono input but the sound is terrible, lots of cracks. For some reason none of the other aux inputs work - not CD, tape, video..etc., only works through Phono. Any advice? Thanks,.
Kliang at 2007-11-15 14:43:41 >

# 27 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
That port is only suitable for phonographs. That's why you hear the cracking noise. Use the aux input ot tape or any other audio input. Make sure you have your input selector turned to the appropriate input. You volume on the iPod is at least 1/2 way up and the EQ effects are turned off. Do those inputs work if you use another source? If the other jacks are not working then you have a short somewhere. I have a monster cable from my headphone jack on my iPod to my Video aux jack on the front of my Yamaha Receiver and it sounds fine although somewhat muted in comparison to a digital in from my computer.
# 28 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
In my high-end setup, comparing a generic cable from radio shack and an iCable, the difference is very noticable. Maby you guys can't tell the difference because of standard shelf systems. Monster Cables warrant a much higher performance in audio and video if you have the right equipment to deliver the difference.
# 29 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
People here tend to blow the most minute problems completely out of proportion, as though the world is about to end. In reality, 99% of all people never experience any of the problems these people do....But, I guess they are right, and the whole world is wrong ;)
# 30 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by ironchef9000
'cause monster=superior when seen by morons.
That cable is fine, I got a cheap 3ft. at best buy a couple years ago for my first mp3 player, plug it into VCR 2, or Video 2, etc... It sounds just fine.
People here tend to blow the most minute problems completely out of proportion, as though the world is about to end. In reality, 99% of all people never experience any of the problems these people do....But, I guess they are right, and the whole world is wrong ;)
You obviously don't have a several thousand dollar audio system. Talk to me when you do. To us, [us being the people who spend thousands on their audio system] the most minute problem does matter. Thats what we care about, thats what we spend our money on. If the Monster cable gets rid of the most minute little problem (which it does), it's worth it. Calling us morons it not warranted, and is an extremely uneducated comment.
# 31 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Hyperbole!!!!! It's the international language of the forum. That being said though many people don't want to spend money on improvements if they think that what they have is "good enough". Personally I don't compress any music at all. I play the original music from my hard drive and send a digital signal to my home stereo. Most of my friends don't get it. I love music though and every tweak is worth it because i hear it.
# 32 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
To those knocking Monster Cable
you're forgetting one other little thing that justifies their cost (in my opinion):
unlimited warranty
you only ever need to buy one monster cable. ever. (for each use of course). If it ever dies, for whatever reason, you get a new one free. Doesn't matter if it's 2 months after purchase, or 20 years.
Yes, it's probably (well, it is) overkill if you're plugging it in to a $400 micro system. But for mid > audiophile deck systems, then it comes into it's own.
# 33 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
actually nathan, i pointed that out
# 34 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by Nathan Adams
To those knocking Monster Cable
you're forgetting one other little thing that justifies their cost (in my opinion):
unlimited warranty
you only ever need to buy one monster cable. ever. (for each use of course). If it ever dies, for whatever reason, you get a new one free. Doesn't matter if it's 2 months after purchase, or 20 years.
Yes, it's probably (well, it is) overkill if you're plugging it in to a $400 micro system. But for mid > audiophile deck systems, then it comes into it's own.
When was the last time you had a cable go bad?
Like I posted before head over to www.hometheaterforum.com and do a search for Monster Cable and you will see that there are much better cables out there for the money.
# 35 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by Doc Holiday
When was the last time you had a cable go bad?
Like I posted before head over to www.hometheaterforum.com and do a search for Monster Cable and you will see that there are much better cables out there for the money.
Doc Holiday-
I have a big Monster Cable surge protector that my Audio Hi-Fi system goes through (as well as my big screed HDTV, My receiver and surround sound system, all my a/v exuipment including my sattelite system etc...). Anyway there was a big storm overnight and I didn't unplug the strip. I woke up in the morning and my sattelite didn't work, as well as the strip. I later found out on the news about the storm, and many people's electronics had been fried. The Monster Cable took the hit for my TV and other a/v equipment (my home theatre is worth around $5000). I am so thankful that the Monster Cable power adapter worked and saved my equipment except for the sattelite, which Monster replaced FREE OF CHARGE. They also replaced the power strip. Now that's what I call customer service, and standing behind your product.
# 36 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by mongoos150
Doc Holiday-
I have a big Monster Cable surge protector that my Audio Hi-Fi system goes through What model number is the Monster Cable Power Conditioner? I did a search and I found 4 different models.
# 37 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
It says "Monster Power" and under that it says "Home Theatre Power Center HTS1000"
EDIT: Just do a search for "HTS1000" on Google.
# 38 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by mongoos150
It says "Monster Power" and under that it says "Home Theatre Power Center HTS1000"
EDIT: Just do a search for "HTS1000" on Google. In Safari you just have to highlight and right click the phrase and choose Google search. Very slick. Thanks for the info.
# 39 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Originally posted by mongoos150
Doc Holiday-
I have a big Monster Cable surge protector that my Audio Hi-Fi system goes through (as well as my big screed HDTV, My receiver and surround sound system, all my a/v exuipment including my sattelite system etc...). Anyway there was a big storm overnight and I didn't unplug the strip. I woke up in the morning and my sattelite didn't work, as well as the strip. I later found out on the news about the storm, and many people's electronics had been fried. The Monster Cable took the hit for my TV and other a/v equipment (my home theatre is worth around $5000). I am so thankful that the Monster Cable power adapter worked and saved my equipment except for the sattelite, which Monster replaced FREE OF CHARGE. They also replaced the power strip. Now that's what I call customer service, and standing behind your product.
And this differs from other non-Monster surge protectors how? Because it actually protected from the surge? I don't see how this necessarily justifies the significantly higher cost between Monster gear and non-Monster gear. Many manufacturers of these devices provide for insurance for damaged components-- I have a $25 Radio Shack surge protector on my 50" HDTV and Hi-Fi systems that came with such coverage.
RonnyK at 2007-11-15 14:56:54 >

# 40 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
Regarding surge protectors, you might want to consider Panamax before buying Monster -- Panamax has been around in surge protection much longer.
My local electric company has been methodically trying to blow up my neighborhood for the past three years. After one such attempt, my Panamax got fried, but protected everything connected to it. Panamax of course sent me a new one for free.
As to the Monster cables, we're only talking a difference of what $30 - $40? That's worth it to me if you're running your iPod into a decent stereo.
# 41 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I don't know if this has been said before, but the line out on the dock is designed for stuff like conecting it to stereos. Why? It bypasses the iPod's internal Headphone Amp so stuff doesn't sound funny when it comes out through speakers / stereos.
my 2 cents...
# 42 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
I think that another solution to improve quality is to discover digital out and hook it directly to amplifier having a good DAC. I also compared sound from headphone and line out and found that headphone out connected to my amplifier sounds better. The reason of that can be impedance match.
MOCKBA at 2007-11-15 14:59:57 >

# 43 Re: iPod Through Home Stereo System
OK, back to the original topic. When i plug my iPod into my hifi system (it's a Sony) through the aux ports (which sony call md ports even though it is a blatant plug for their md's) i get really soft sound quality unless the sound is up at around 95%
the sound is fine when pluged into my laptop through the headphone port at minimum sound level.
Do i need to buy the dock to get good sound quality, or just crank up the volume on my ipod. Does cranking up the volume reduce battery life?
swy32x at 2007-11-15 15:00:51 >
