NEW Toshiba HD Mp3 Player

500 CD that mustt be equal to roughly 30gig.
since it is toshiba I suppose that they must use their own HD, so I would expect something of the size of the ipod (as long as they don't screw up like their previous HD mp3 player)

All that hype won't help Toshiba sell more units. People are just going to get tired of waiting for "surprises". Then again, Toshiba supplies the hard drives for iPods, so I'll just shut up.

Here we go: it's not that interesting, really :P Seems like more marketing speak to me ;)

According to the newest information on the G20SS concept, inside the compact body of this audio player in development lies an incredibly high capacity drive. In terms of CDs, it would hold 500, and in terms of songs, you can store 5000. So it's not just small (in size). The full story on the large-scale G20SS concept is gradually coming to light. The next installment will appear on 12/8.

are there any clear pictures of this mp3 player?

And i also think that it's 500 cd containing 1 song each. It would make sens considering a 5Gig HDD

Originally posted by chinieman2002
I've heard it only uses 5Gig and that it can only connect through PcMcia slot of laptops. Most Destops don't have that.

Toshiba has made such a player, but I think it was a couple (or one) years ago...
This is a hole new (and probably better) mp3player.
I think too that it will have atleast 20 gigs of space (maybe even 30 or 40) (yeah 20 seems most likely because of the name.

Yep, their old player was 5Gb, here it is:

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/digitalaudio/product.asp?model=MEG50AS

Don't think it will affect even the ipod sales.

IPOD its IPOD

Lets hope toshiba learned that consumers do not like encryption software.

BTW dyne, you are the idiot. If the design of the new player is like their first one, the player (obviously) would not go into the pcmcia slot. In their first player, the harddrive was slot-loading and when ejected, it fitted into a pcmcia slot.

Originally posted by chinieman2002
Sry, it's not like i really care about every single mp3 player in existence but i bet you most of us would rather jump on better/newer units, when two players has basically same purpuse, they were ofter being compared to test out which one is better

At least now we all know that there's a new Toshiba Mp3 Player on the block

for those of you that are intersted about this player's HDD size, there is a little clue at that page with 500 CD ad, but it's in japanese

well...im chinese (and can also read/write chinese), and since almost half of japanese letters are from chinese, i can read half of it...
on that page about the music size, it says something like this:
"WMA/MP3 format, 128kbps, each song 4 minutes long, 10 songs in each CD"

so that means 5000 songs at either WMA/MP3 at 128kbps, so a good 4MB per song, 4MB x 5000 = 20,000MB...20gig...

The only thing left that i wanted to know is what kind of HDD will it use? 2.5" or 1.8"

Wonder when it's gonna be release in North America

Originally posted by Squibbles
I don't see why they can't put a touchwheel on their player.
I mean, Apple didn't copyright the idea of a touchwheel. [or did they?] I don't mean to imply one way or another if Apple has a legal leg to stand on, but they have a long and sordid history of suing people for imitating successful Apple designs. Examples: MacOS, iMac, iPod (has already been litigated, can't remember the details but the other company backed off and redesigned their product).

Anyway, if someone puts a touchwheel on their mp3 player, it will still have to have an LCD roughly the size of the iPod's. They have to keep the basic form factor (because a rectangular device is the most compact size to fit a hard drive), in which case an LCD and a touchwheel can only be arranged so many ways and just about any arrangement will look like the iPod. The only way they can differentiate is by the buttons. Now, the buttons themselves will be pretty useless unless they put them on the face of the device for easy one-handed operation. In that case, Apple has already done two possible button layouts - circular around the touchwheel, and in a line above it. Again, they would be limited in how they can arrange the buttons. Bottom line, there aren't that many ways to design a device with an LCD, a touchwheel, and buttons on the face and the result is likely to look enough like the iPod that Apple will sue. Even if they have a good case, not many companies have the deep pockets to withstand a legal onslaught from Apple.

Originally posted by tonicboy
Bottom line, there aren't that many ways to design a device with an LCD, a touchwheel, and buttons on the face and the result is likely to look enough like the iPod that Apple will sue. Even if they have a good case, not many companies have the deep pockets to withstand a legal onslaught from Apple. [/B]

I think the company that Apple was threatening with litigation was Samsung. Samsung backed down, but it's not necessarily because its pockets aren't as deep as Apple's (Samsung is a much larger company than Apple in nearly every conceivable way), but probably because Apple could get an injunction blocking the product from being released, and at that point, it's not a matter of who has more money since whatever the outcome, it'll take time to arrive at. The same with Toshiba. They're much, much larger than Apple, but it's probably not a fight worth fighting considering the short product cycles for mp3 players.

And to the other poster with the Sony theory, it's been pretty well established that Sony will not release anything like the iPod because of the simple fact that they own a record label. If they do release a hard drive based mp3 player, it'll be a lot closer to Toshiba's disappointingly DRM-crippled first unit than the iPod.

Sony will only keep on using memory sticks because the invented it.
And if they started using someone elses media's, they'll be losing even more money. But they haven't realeased a new mp3 player in a while except for md's which suck.

I don't know why Sony even bothers to make their users use their Memory sticks... they are much more expenive than CF, SM, or SD, and seem to offer no advantages. The reason why I don't buy Sony digital cameras nowadays is the fact that the only media that I can use is MS.

You can buy 30 gigs worth of memory sticks for only $13,500. Who says the iPod isn't a bargin? :)

There are drawbacks to harddrive based mp3 players though guys, keep that in mind. With digital memory sticks you have the whole "no moving parts" deal, which is definitley a plus over the harddrive based players. the cost difference is quite big at the moment, which is why you're seeing the emergence of the hdd based players, but i'm very sure that you'll see some big jumps in flash memory based players once the technology catches up.

with the flash cards, there's no spinning up or down the harddrive, no lagging waiting for the disk, which is a big complaint (from what i've been hearing) about the ipod. also, harddrives need power to spin, digital cards don't need as much power, so you can expect longer battery life (although they usually trade off with bright backlights and fancy stuff like that).

my ipod is just dandy, i'm not complaining. i'm just pointing out that there is a definite advantage to the digital memory.

Originally posted by chinieman2002
The downside is that there's no playlisrt support are you talking about solid-state mp3 players?
if you are, im sure they can just simply scrip their players to support .m3u

Originally posted by deftdrummer1
that thing looks strikingly similar to the ipod and uses the general HD idea of the ipod. However, the ipod's mass storage is largely what contributed to it's success. 5gb for $400 is just not worth it. Why would Toshiba go and make their own HD based Mp3 player after they are already making millions from the ipod's success?? Uhhh, which device are you looking at? Because the one the rest of us are looking at is most likely 20GB with an unannounced price. And the logic for making their own is simple: cut out the middleman (Apple) and make more profits.

Originally posted by chinieman2002
I think Toshiba is gonna stop supplying iPod in 4th gen. And iPods r gonna start using the ones of LaCies if they have. That would be an incredibly bad move on their part. A smaller piece of a really big pie (the iPod), is a lot better than the entire piece of a potentially tiny pie (Toshiba's own player). Are you just guessing here? Where did you get this rumor from?

Originally posted by profingersk8er
ipod is not the only HDD player that uses toshiba'z drives, iriver also uses toshiba's HDDs Agreed. The point was that it would be foolish for them to stop supplying Apple with hard drives, ostensibly to increase sales of their own HDD-based player. I'm not sure what that has to do with the iRiver.

Originally posted by tonicboy
That would be an incredibly bad move on their part. A smaller piece of a really big pie (the iPod), is a lot better than the entire piece of a potentially tiny pie (Toshiba's own player). Are you just guessing here? Where did you get this rumor from?

agreed. Besides, the basic rule of business is if you can flood the market with your product, do it. I guess Toshiba will probably keep supplying Apple with its hds in cunjuction with the introduction of its own brand of MP3 players... that way Toshiba is making money on both fronts. after all, it is better to have mutiple products of your own on the market to compete against each other than having just one of your own competing with all others...