EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Note, this is a requirements post to get my solution to work. I will finish posting the howto guide tommorrow afternoon by about 6pm EST.
The requirements Are:
1) iPod, any
2) Copy of linux on a computer (note, OS X may work, as long as there is a way to get the terminal to work).
3) An American Gen 3 owner with 2.0.1 with Linux (same note as above) who is willing to copy the 32mb file off of their ipod (using special terminal commands) and share it. (i will provide the 39mb gen 2 1.2.6 file, wondering if anyone is willing to supply the 1.3 file)
4) A Willing host who is willing to hold about 100 mb in files, about .1mb in text/HTML files.
Anyone who is interested in the solution/helping out in the solution, leave a message here, and when i get back from work tomm. at noon, ill sort it all out and post the complete solution. This will work with both Mac And Windows ipods, so long as the copy of linux is running on that machine. It is recommended that you either go with a minimal copy of red Hat Linux (can be run off a floppy disk), or the full mandrake 9.1 install.
The person (american gen 3 owner) needs to get either a Unix/Linux Console running, or the similar counterpart in OSX, as the root.
Get to the / directory (to do this, just type "cd ../../../../../../" without the quotes at the console)
Type in "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=backup_firmware" at the prompt. The resulting file should be about 32-40mb. If not, replace sda1 above with sda, or sda2.
Share the file backup_firmware.
Once this part is done, i will leave instructions for the people d/l the backup_firmware file to remove the volume limitation on their ipod!
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KeaneE04] at [2007-11-9 12:45:11]

# 1 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Hi,
Let me know if you have this option working.
As a French user, I have a limited iPod and I'd like to get rid of this awful volume limit !!!
Thanks,
SR
sunrpc at 2007-11-15 14:16:09 >

# 2 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I thought the firmware just read the licence number of the iPod to determine what continent its in, then decides the volume accordingly. What good will copying the US firmware onto an EU ipod do? That is of course assuming thats where this topic is leading. Although i am definatley interested to see if this works.
M@rK at 2007-11-15 14:17:20 >

# 3 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Yes, this topic does include copying the US formatted and already read firmware. The difference is, in this case, is that it creates a copy of the firmware that has already "determined" that it doesnt need the volume limit, and therefore will not. I am absolutely positive that the ipod stops reading its "area" (ie EU or noneu) after the original format, and will not change based on any other reason. (i have done this with a gen 2 ipod, as well as a test using a copy of the 2.0.1 firmware i found, faking a european ipod with another external hard drive i own). The only thing that will stop this from working is this: the limit is hardware based, which i highly doubt. I spent quite a while today testing this with my limited recourses (ie no gen 3 ipod :( ).
NOTE: all linux commands start with a %, this is the terminal stop symbol, and should not be typed. On some computers, this will show up as a # or some other symbol. (ie, at [root@host /root]# you would type dd ... instead of %dd ...)
Now, the first step, is to grab an image of the partition designated for the os (from a US machine). This can be done as stated above. A HOST IS STILL NEEDED, as well as a firmware "donor" so to speak. (or even just someone willing to send me a US gen 3 ipod to copy the os off of, but this is a last resort).
Now, the next step is to downlaod this image onto the "/" directory of the linux/unix box (still unsure if osX works).
The commands are as follows, it is imparative that you wait for each step to finish before starting the next one. It is also recommended that you backup your music/ipod data, as one of the steps includes erasing it entirely.
Before starting, make sure you completely understand the goings on, as well as read ahead. Make sure at the terminal, before you start, that you are in the "\" directory: ie at [root@host /root]#, type cd ../../../../ to get you all the way to the bottom directory. Good luck!
1) % dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=10
-this step erases the ipod completely, basically killing any way the ipod has of saving a region.
2) % rmmod sbp2 && insmod sbp2
-mounts and unmounts the ipod, refreshing it as it will
3)
-this step reformats the ipod into the partitions needed
% fdisk /dev/sda
n [make new partition]
p [primary]
1 [first partition]
[just press enter -- default first sector is 1]
5S [5 sectors -- big enough to hold 32MB]
n [make new partition]
p [primary]
2 [second partition]
[just press enter -- default first sector is 6]
[just press enter -- default size uses all remaining space]
t [modify type]
1 [first partition]
0 [first partition has no filesystem; ignore warning]
t [modify type]
2 [second partition]
b [second partition is FAT32, this can be formatted back to hpfs later]
p [show partition map]
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty
/dev/sda2 6 3647 29254365 b Win95 FAT32
w [commit changes to disk]
8) now that the ipod is erased, as well as repartitioned, we will finally copy the new firmware over to the ipod.
with this command
% dd if=backup_firmware of=/dev/sda1
9) mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n "My iPod" /dev/sda2
finally, we format the second partition for Fat32.
10) for macites: now, in mac OS, format the ipod with the default system program to HFS+ (AKA HPFS).
11) (for all) have either itunes or something similar to itunes (ephpod for windows users) rebuild the file structure, which basically just adds some files. Alternatively, you can copy all hidden/visable files over before hand, and just copy them back.
12) thats it! Copy your songs over, and enjoy limitless sound!
# 4 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I sent my iPod back to the store, so if someone trys this with an EU gen3 ipod please let me know if it works and ill go buy another one :D
And KeaneE04, thanks for puttin so much effort into this, if it works youll be a legend! lol.
M@rK at 2007-11-15 14:19:14 >

# 5 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Thanks for the compliment mark. I feel sad that you had to give up an ipod just because apple decided to do something stupid like thisl. Almost makes me wish that Linux on IPOD was available for all OS's! In any event, i am 95% sure that this will work as advertised, as long as we get an honest gen 3 USA donor, a host/server(will ipodlounge pony up the bandwidth?), and enough people to test it to know for sure, that this will work no problem. BTW, an FYI for any windows user, mandrake 9.1 is an amazingly easy interface that lends itself to this. Even if you only install it on a small (5gb or so) partition, it can work for this no problem.
1 final note, when the ipod has the do not disconnect sign on its screen, it means that you can begin copying/writting to/from it. If you have another scsi adapter on the computer, the sda addresses may be different.
# 6 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Dear KeaneE04! Your approach seems very interesting! Thanks for working on that. I do hope we find the help we need (donor and host).
Good luck!
Aragorn
# 7 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Is there any progress on this?
somebody willing to be a donor?
anyways i wish you good luck KeaneE04, if you make it i will be foreever grateful
Pero at 2007-11-15 14:22:19 >

# 8 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
thanks guys, but unfortunately noone seems to be trying this yet. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
# 9 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
People are getting around this problem with Xplay and Media Center 9...Media Center 9 offers a particularly nice way to normalize and adjust the gain. Unfortunately, neither one of these programs are free (I'm and avid MC9 user--perhaps my most used, most favorite piece of software I've come across..).
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 14:24:20 >

# 10 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Hi,
Is there somewhere some kind of tutorial that would explain how to solve the volume limitation with MC9 ?
I downloaded the beta version 9.1 b213 but couldn't figure how to handle the volume issue.
Thanks,
SR.
sunrpc at 2007-11-15 14:25:22 >

# 11 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
KeaneE04: I would gladly try this if i had linux and the american firmware file. But keep up the good work!
Pero at 2007-11-15 14:26:20 >

# 12 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I have read on some other posts that xplay is able to simply tell the ipod to increase the volume on tracks. It doesn't touch the file and so, I assume there shouldn't be any distortion... Itunes is always mentioned in the same sentence, but I still don't understand whether u can do it w itunes or not.
Also, I have all my tunes on my ipod and not on my ibbook.. I suppose that means to make any changes I would need to put all my music back on my ibook and then resynch with the volumes set higher... Bit of a hassle if I'm gonna end up w distorted tracks.
Don't really know why I'm writing this post.. I wish I could help keane and u all with this new possible solution.
Good work people:mad: http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=4311#
# 13 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Itunes as a product is only currently available on the MAC as a product so you can get Itunes on the MAC to increase the vol.
Xplay mimics Itunes in some ways on the PC and writes to the itunes database so you have to use Xplay on the PC to increase vol.
You can also increase volume with Media Centre but it takes a bit of learning. There is a forum on MC on this site and in it you should be able to find a link on it to a dedicated MC message board.
penbat at 2007-11-15 14:28:23 >

# 14 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
c'mon surely somebody is willing to do this??
# 15 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
K.. i should be getting a US iPod next week. As soon as I get it ill get linux goin and i can send the backed up firmware out.
Although im REALLY suprised there wasnt more interest in this, i mean look how meany threads there were #####in about it.
M@rK at 2007-11-15 14:30:32 >

# 16 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Thanks M@rk - at last someone can be bothered. Big props to you
# 17 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Nice one M@rk... Big respect
# 18 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I got a 500meg site with 20gigs transfers and am willing to host a this (prefferable all of it in a single zip)
Contact me at mike@bsodmike.com, and I will arrange for uploading instructions.
Mike
# 19 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Thanks for your help mike and mark. Mike, the file will only be about 35 mb, so it shouldnt be too much of a problem, though if mark wants to TAR the archive (similar to a zip, but for linux, although if you would like to zip it, mandrake does support zip files) thats fine and wont hurt the data.
I also am surprised that people are not interested in this as they should be. They seem to have all accepted the in program volume raiser as a real solution, which it is obviously not. (it does NOTHING to the iTunes db, its just changing volume markers in the actual song).
Anyway, if either of you need help with what you are doing, feel free to contact me via AIM KeaneE04, or email.
Tuts, and good luck!
# 20 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I am picking up a 30 today.
I am running Linux from inside VMWare on an XP machine, will this work?
Would be glad to help if I can.
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:35:31 >

# 21 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Nickso, is VMWare an emulator or a virtualPC type program? If it is vertual pc type, you will need to have the ipod connected to the linux machine. IF it is an emulator, just make sure you have the ipod mounted in windows, and that /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 BOTH show up (thats file:/dev/sda1 and sda2), and this will work wonders. I appreciate you being willing to help.
Thanks all.
# 22 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
No prob, going to Best Buy now........
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:37:36 >

# 23 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I really hope you guys make some progress on thos vol. capping issue. Good Luck!!
# 24 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
is it possible for me to run linux direct from windows to upload the firmware file to my ipod. idont feel like installing linux on my computer
Pero at 2007-11-15 14:39:37 >

# 25 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Oooohhh, i will try this, im dual booted with linux anyways so...as long as it wont hurt my iPod too much :) - Lets see if we can kick apple in the nuts with this!!
# 26 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
scotty, this will not hurt your ipod at all. In effect, all it is doing is taking a bit for bit image of the ipod software, so, unless it is a hardware limit (which i severely doubt), this should work wonders. The recieving end is just turning thier foreign firmware ipod into thinkin that it is actually an american.
Only side effect is that your ipod my start playing the "Star Spangled Banner" once a day... :D
# 27 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
BTW, just niticed after that last post that i had 99, so i want to make my 100 here.
*Oh say can you see...* (i wonder if when it plays the pledge of allegience it will leave out the "under god" part?)
# 28 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Can we have a simple summary of what's happening here for us techie thickos.
Once this excercise is achieved then what next ? How can us EuroPodders then get round the Euro vol issue ?
penbat at 2007-11-15 14:43:40 >

# 29 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Alright, what is going on here, got my iPod home, installed my firewire card and connected my iPod:
Get the message: "Do Not Disconnect".
Do not want to load MMJ so I tried EphPod.
I received a message that I "don't have the necessary Ipod directory structure" and ephpod asks if I want it to build Ipod directory structure. When I tell it to do so it says, "Cannot Create :\Ipod_control"
Should I try an older ver of EphPod?
Reinstall my iPod firmware? (Just took the #### thing out of the box)
Here is my setup:
OS: Win XP Pro
Firewire Card: SIIG 3Port Card Model NN2633
iPod: 30GB
iPod firmware: 2.0.1
Model: M8948LL
Windows sees my iPod as Apple Computer_Inc iPOD IEEE 1394 SBP2 Device at LUN 0.
As generic volume (H:)
I want to help with this project, maybe someone has had this issue and can help get me going.
Thanks,
Nick
:mad: :confused: :mad: :mad:
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:44:47 >

# 30 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I also have windows xp. I also had various probs with Ephpod getting set up etc. After juggling things around i finally got Ephpod working except it made loads of my mp3s skip. I then gave up on Ephpod.
If i were you I would use Xpod (very easy to use, just drag and drop mp3s) or even musicmatch which personally i found more reliable than ephpod.
penbat at 2007-11-15 14:45:38 >

# 31 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
i meant Xplay not Xpod !
penbat at 2007-11-15 14:46:39 >

# 32 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I also click on my H: drive, Win shows the device to be unformatted, asking me if i want to format it.
I will try the Firmware update.
Still looking for other suggestions........
Nick
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:47:46 >

# 33 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Alright, got it going and EphPod is working..... no worries.
Ha Ha, got a little heated after dropping over $500.
Nick
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:48:47 >

# 34 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
OK, I have a copy of the firmware (I think) :confused:
Ran the commend and got the following reply:
208782+0 records in
208782+0 records out
Issue: How to get the firmware file back to Windows. I do not have a FTP server running and do not have Samba loaded.
PS: This iPOD is freaking small!!!!!
Nick
:cool:
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:49:51 >

# 35 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
YES!!! Nickso, you got it! Those numbers mean it has copied the firmware (those numbers seem about rite, it should not have taken much more than a minute or 2). All people here love you!
If you have internet access with your linux install, just email it or something to yourself, or put it on a geocities account so you can download it with windows. Alternatively, (it exists in file:/) your windows might be in /mnt/windows, so you can just copy it there.
PS on your PS, ive held the new ipods and they are great, but what is your opinion concerning the rounded over look? Anyway, enjoy your ipod, and we thank you for your gracious cooperation!!
# 36 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
My firmware shows to be 101.9 MB. :eek:
Yikes... or is this because I have some songs on the iPOD. (Could not wait to hear it)
I can remove/format if needed.....
Let me know.....
Nick
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:51:48 >

# 37 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Arg, nick, you copied the wrong partition. If you did sda1, try sda2, or sda. Looks like you did the music partition instead of the actual firmware partion.
The ipod is set up as so: 1 35mb or so partition for the firmware, 1 rest of the ipod partition for music and stuff. So nick, in the line in my directions, 1, make sure you do the copy on /dev/sda1, or if that doesnt work, try /dev/sda or /dev/sda2 (btw, the leading / is needed and necessary!)
ETA: Please, please AIM me with screenies and everything ready or available when i get on ( i should be on at about 10 in the morning est tomm.) its KeaneE04 (thats KeaneE zero 4)
# 38 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Your instructions worked and I got a copied file, but like you said, looks like it is the music and DB.
This file came from SDA1.
I will try SDA2 and SDA and see if I end up with a file around 32 - 35 MB.
No prob.
Nick
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:53:54 >

# 39 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Not sure what is going on...
Not seeing any partitions ~35 - 42MB.
This is what I have:
SDA = > 580 MB
SDA1 = 101.9 MB
SDA2 = > 180 MB
SDA3 = >122 MB
SDA4 = No Device
SDA5 = No Device
I will try to find you online in the AM, I am in Central time.
I can give you a ring if you like.
Nick
Nickso at 2007-11-15 14:54:52 >

# 40 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
weird... it looks like you have more scsi devices connected, as the ipod only has 2 partitions. the SDA i believe is always there b/c of some weird stuff. What linux version is the emulator running? Is it a gui or not? ill tty on aim i guess.
# 41 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
--> KeaneE04
We surely are very interested in your efforts! There is just no way I could help you right now. so s o r r y !!
Good luck!
Aragorn
# 42 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Nick has contacted me and I just sent the ftp details to him. As soon as I get an email from him confirming the upload I will post back here. I will keep a close eye on my transfers and will pull the plug when I get close to my limit of 20gigs/m.
Right now I'm on the hunt for a Belkin Auto Kit (w/ dock) but a) I'm in Sri Lanka and cant get one b) short of cash.
If any one here is willing or able to help me pls do! I am willing to even pay someone (if I can find the cash) and get one. I'm planning on modding our new vehicle with this :D :D
Best of luck with the vol limit guys...
Thanks, Mike
# 43 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Go nickso... u r a star
# 44 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I just gotta wait till nick comes back online so we can get this all straightened out, then ill have him post it, i thank both of you for your help, as randy said, "u r a star"!
# 45 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
http://ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4804
Follow what that says. Me and Stuart are there with a couple others .... :D
Mike
# 46 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Ok, I am back.
I don't have any other SCSI devices, but do have a hardware RAID card on the Linux box.
This might be a little different since I am running Linux on VMWare.
KeaneE04, would it be possible for you to call me, or send me your phone # to nickapplied@hotmail.com?
I can call the US free of charge.
Nick
Nickso at 2007-11-15 15:01:56 >

# 47 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
nick, ill send the email in a minute, and the RAID Drive would do it. Come to the irc for ipod lounge also.
Best way to test is to restart w/o ipod in, and see what sda drives there are. Then plug the ipod into the LINUX BOX, and see what ones come up. I think the 4-5 you listed are b/c of the RAID afaik.
TTYL, and ill email u my number.
# 48 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I have a 30 gig US iPod and a laptop with firewire running XP, but no knowledge of how firewire works under Linux, as I've never tried. I could try to figure out how to get an image for you, if you like, but I've never booted Linux on this laptop. Is there a CD or disk bootable linux image that has firewire support? It might make this simpler to do.
As I understand it, you're saying the thing has two partitions, and you need a bit image of the first one, yeah?
Otto at 2007-11-15 15:03:59 >

# 49 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
otto, yes, you are correct, come to the irc channel and talk to me
i will be creating a cd version of mandrake as soon as i can, just will need some >40mb removable disk or something, like a zip.
# 50 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
Okay, I'll be in the channel after work (about 4 hrs from now).
Oh, and shouldn't the iPod updater download have a copy of the firmware image in it? Just a thought...
Otto at 2007-11-15 15:06:01 >

# 51 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
I am an American owner of a 30gig gen3 ipod.
I already use my ipod under linux, and I would be willing to host the disk image on my webspace for awhile. When I post the file, I'll probably clean up your howto also (there are some inaccuracies).
I don't have an EU ipod, so I can't test this, but I hope it helps out those that do. I'll try and get to it tonight, if not then tomorrow evening.
# 52 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
UnixMonkey-- I would love to see what you have to say, and would love to chat with you, come to the irc on irc.macnn.com #ipod and talk to me there.
Reguarding the inaccuracies-- a lot was lost in simplification for users who are not ready for a full blown linux setup. We also have a second mirror, and a few others willing to do some hosting. As for the Howto- please at least let me look over it after you finish, this is afterall my project. BTW--Try to keep it as simple as possible for those who have never used linux before, also link to http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-linux/ for a minimal linux distro.
As for the image contained in the install-yes there is one, but it is not "primed", ie it needs to be installed to realize its in an american, it cant be just taken.
# 53 Re: EU Volume Limitation Solution, works w/ Gen 3!
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