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iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?

Hello. Hello, hello even. I've spent the better part of yesterday browsing the forums and threads here and I'm a bit in awe of just how deep the rabbit hole goes, that is, just how much of an audiophile world there really is out there, how incredible the iPod world is. All my friends think I'm insane, and while I do not have the home theater systems and budget that some of you guys definitely have, I know I can do better than the $15-$30 pieces of CRAP that companies like Sony, Panasonic, and Maxell put out in most music stores.

I've recently hopped into the wonderful world of the Apple iPod (40gb model, 3rd gen) and though this kind of steep investment was completely out of character for me, I quickly learned that I need a better set of headphones to compliment the slick little unit.

Now, here's a funny story about what I consider to be my first set of REAL headphones, that is, the set that first opened my ears to the possibilities of hi-fi portable audio. They were, ironically enough, a set of $50 Radioshack 'phones. Specifically, the "Titanium Pro 35" model. I never heard of quality Radioshack headphones in my life but I've since noticed that on the actual headphone plug, the Koss logo shows up. So I imagine this is some cross-marketed Koss set, and let me tell you, they are GREAT compared to what I was used to before this. (And I probably just caused half of you to roll around your respective floors laughing.) But still, you can't deny that there isn't a significant quality increase between this set and a $15-$30 dollar piece of plastic that's sold in most stores.

Unfortunately, I didn't treat them too well (threw them into my bookbag throughout the day when not in use) and their foam earpads deteriorated. I wound up picking up ANOTHER identical set on clearance for $15, also from a Radioshack. They too are on their last legs, and now that I have a true portable media library solution, require something more powerful, more durable, more feature-filled, and ultimately, more permanent.

I am hoping that this community can provide me with possible solutions to this little dilemna. Here is what I need:

~$50 (+/-) price range. I know I won't get something awe-inspiring, but I must be realistic and recognize my limits. Feel free to post things of slightly higher prices if you TRULY feel they are an incredible price/quality value.
High quality sound.
Portable design, obviously.
Non-earbud style (foam, leather, muffs...)
Designed to muffle (not necessarily true noise cancelling) mass transit background noise. Closed/sealed design.
Durable, or at least coming in some kind of case for my bookbag. Collapsible would be nice too.
External volume control on the wire. A must to compensate for the swell of subway noises, and preserve iPod battery life. Solid closed isolation + powerful range of sound might serve as an alternate for volume control.

So, is there something out there for me? Can you guys help a guy out over here? Links to product pages would be great, but I'll take any kind of help at this point. Obviously, I'm very partial to Koss, and was this close to purchasing their Porta Pro model, which seems to have EVERYTHING I could want (assuming that the sound quality is comparable to their Pro 35 model) aside from that crucial volume control.

Thank you humbly in advance.

Edit - I understand that by the nature of these boards, a variation of this question has probably been asked countless times by newbies. I apologize in advance, but I did browse the boards searching for some kind of information on a product that would work well for me, but coulnd't find anything specific. Also, if this is the wrong board for this type of post, then that's another apology I owe... ;)

Edit 2 - I'm currently looking over some Sony Eggoes, V6s, and Senn PX-200s. Porta Pro's are pretty much out of the question thanks to their open nature and lack of isolation.
[4132 byte] By [Mejilan] at [2007-11-9 14:07:13]
# 1 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Have you tried/considered noise cancelling headphones? Would probably double your price threshhold, but mass transit is a perfect application!
markp99 at 2007-11-15 15:27:57 >
# 2 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
I understand that the NC headphones generally provide a MUCH lower quality sound output than very good (and less pricey) closed/sealed headphone designs, such as the Senn PX-200, for one.
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:28:57 >
# 3 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
There's an Eggo fanatic on these boards (almost owns them all). I'm sure he can point you in a good direction... I can't. I use my Shure e2cs on the bus, with startling isolation-- but you wanted non-earphones.

I did have one thing to add however:

External volume control on the wire. A must to compensate for the swell of subway noises, and preserve iPod battery life.


This comment bothers me.

The fact that you expect saved battery life for a given volume level implies that you want the inline volume control to amplify the sound that the iPod supplies.

You won't get any AMPLIFIED sound from an inline volume control. The volume control will essentially only allow you to turn it down from the output level you would have on headphones without a volume control. All an inline volume control does is increase the resistance in the wire... It cannot add power.

You could consider an in-line volume control (constant iPod power) to HURT battery life, when compared with actually turning the *iPod* volume down when you'd like to. (Lesser iPod power when lesser is needed).

To serve the function you are looking for (saving iPod battery life, external control), you'd need to purchase a headphone amplifier (with a battery pack, which supplies power). Here's a link from my favorite portable music-related online store (Back from my minidisc days):

http://www.minidisco.com/sp-hba-2.html

Please correct me if I'm wrong... Trying to help, but don't want to cause any misunderstandings.

Solid closed isolation + powerful range of sound might serve as an alternate for volume control.


P.S. This part of that bullet point is certainly true... one of the reasons I love my e2cs-- I'm *hardly ever* over 60% volume. Usually around that for loud places, and down by 35-40% for quiet places.

I apologize for my convoluted, parentheses-infested reply. :(
azdude at 2007-11-15 15:30:07 >
# 4 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
I appreciate your informative response! I'm new to both the iPod and the Hi-Fi headphone worlds, so please forgive me! Currently, I have my iPod just under the halfway point on its internal volume control (anything above 50% begins to drain battery life rather signficantly, according to the Apple knowledge database, and control all volume levels with my Koss 'phones' volume slider, adjusting on the fly to help minimize distractions from passers-by, mass transit, traffic, etc. Doing this, I find that I'm getting substantially longer battery lives than some of my peers on the Apple forums. I'm not enough of an engineer to understand all of the specifics of the various technologies involved, nor can I quantify the drainage of different hardware settings. All I can do is experiment, trial-and-error like, and compare my own results to those of other iPod owners.

However, I do realize that having a powerful, and isolated set of 'phones will allow me to keep a (hopefully) consistently low volume setting on the iPod, which would also suit both the iPod (battery-wise) and myself (no more hassling with volume sliders.)

I would really like to avoid both Sony headphones and earbud styles. I'm looking for closed, muff designs, with excellent an excellent sound quality/total price ratio.

Battery powered amps and $100+ 'phones are truly outside my patience and wallet at the moment...
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:30:59 >
# 5 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Hmm, one last question before I make a decision (leaning towards the PX-200s, last chance to convince me otherwise!)

What's this I hear about some 'phones sounding better after a 'burn in' period, which I assume is something like a 'break in' period?

How does one go about 'burning in' a set of 'phones, what exactly is it supposed to accomplish, and how do I prevent 'burning in' from 'burning out' completely? Thanks!
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:31:59 >
# 6 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Play them continuosly for 24 hours at high volume (Higher than what you'd comfortably listen to, but not so high that it 's distorted--if you break them in with the ipod, that's probably going to mean full volume, unless you're using an amp).
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:33:07 >
# 7 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
24 hours?! I wouldn't want to my iPod running that long or that high, charging or otherwise. Does it have to be all in one shot? Or can I break apart the 'burn in' process?

Is that really a good thing to do to brand new headphones, however? What is the ultimate purpose of this?
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:34:11 >
# 8 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
If you're looking for something like the Senn PX200 and have thought about noise cancellation, you might want to check out the PX250's-- they're built like the 200's but have noise cancellation. I haven't tried them myself, but I like the PX100s (portable, foldable, sound great, fit well, light). I don't like the fact that noise cancellation requires a battery pack, which seems to defeat part of the portability of the iPod, but if you're willing to consider it I've heard good things about them.

JC
choekuo at 2007-11-15 15:35:03 >
# 9 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Thanks. I dismissed the 250s for the same exact reasons you listed. I am given to understanding that there isn't that much of a difference between it and the 250. And I'm really not too keen on battery powered NC.

Additionally, I've also been told (almost unaminously) that decent power and great isolation is greater than a gimmicky built-in NC feature.
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:36:12 >
# 10 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Originally posted by Mejilan
24 hours?! I wouldn't want to my iPod running that long or that high, charging or otherwise. Does it have to be all in one shot? Or can I break apart the 'burn in' process?

Is that really a good thing to do to brand new headphones, however? What is the ultimate purpose of this?

There's debate on the "break-in" process for electronics, but in theory speakers (including very small ones) may sound harsh initially. After "burning" or "breaking" in, they develop a warmer smoother sounds.

If you buy into it, then all you have to do is plug your new headphones into a standard radio for a day or two straight. Of course, people also "break-in" their amplifiers, and your iPod does have a small amp... Presonally, I don't think it's worth the wear & tear on the HDD.

I love my Shure E2Cs. I figured I might as well splurge, heck the iPod wasn't cheap. Sometimes buying a nice item first is more frugal than running thru several less expensive items in search of quality.
psm0110 at 2007-11-15 15:37:13 >
# 11 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Hmmm, I estimate that I've already used my iPod for close to 20 hours, though that's obviously in 1-3 hour increments. Well, I'll see about the Senns. I think a more gradual breaking in process like that of the iPod might be ok too. Since this is my first pair of "hi fi" 'phones, I doubt my ears are trained well enough to honestly make out much of a difference! Thanks again for the advice guys.

PX200s it is!
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:38:09 >
# 12 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
I've been very happy with these headphones. I use them in the gym and can't hear practically anything from the outside.

In fact, the way they push inside my ears kinda feels and sounds like when you stick your finger in your ear... I mean everything is blocked out and you can hear yourself breathing.

I can't image needing more.

Good Luck!
ryanide at 2007-11-15 15:39:07 >
# 13 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Forgot to add that the sound quality is SO much better than the crappy Apple ones. They also have a very short cord (I mean VERY short, but includes an extension if you want it) that when matched with the Apple iPod remote provides the perfect length cord.
ryanide at 2007-11-15 15:40:15 >
# 14 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
On the other hand, many people think that while the EX71 'does the biz' isolation wise, the sound quality is atrocious - over-bassy, with poor fidelity and muddy mids and highs - 'like listening to your stereo from outside the bedroom door.

I believe that there are some reasonably priced folding Sennheiser earphones which would match your description.
Jackonicko at 2007-11-15 15:41:09 >
# 15 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Indeed Jacko, and for that very same reason I snagged a pair of Senns PX-200s which seem to have a near unrivaled sound quality + isolation factor vs. price ratio.

Normally they retail for about $60, but I managed to get a pair from Amazon for about $39.54, shipped. Thanks for the recommendations, guys!
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:42:11 >
# 16 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Guess it also depends on the type of music you listen to... I love my hip-hop, rap and black divas... So, maybe the sound quality works in my favor.

But for those who prefer Celen Dion or Yanni may prefer another headphone.

:eek:
ryanide at 2007-11-15 15:43:15 >
# 17 Re: iPod + Mass Transit = Which Portable Headphones?
Hahahah, you look surprised at that revelation, ryan. ;)
Mejilan at 2007-11-15 15:44:12 >
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