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Grado headphone opinions

Anyone out there in iPodland have Grado headphones? Apparently they're supposed to be legendary in terms of sound quality, and I'd like to know if that's true.

I'm mainly interested in the SR60s, but I'd be willing to take a gander at the SR80s as well.

One important question: how portable are they? I'm not expecting the portability of earbuds or those ubiquitous "street-style" (I hate that term) headphones, but I'd also like something smaller than what usually passes for high-end headphones. It would also be nice if they had a nice snug fit that didn't discourage me from moving my head quickly.

Edit: I apologize - I know in advance that people have brought up Grados in other threads, but I was wondering if people could talk about them in greater detail here.
[839 byte] By [Commodus] at [2007-11-9 13:49:53]
# 1 Re: Grado headphone opinions
They aren't portable in the sense that I'd go out on the street with them, but they're fine for walking around the house. They fit plenty snug--you aren't going to lose them if you move your head--in fact I have mine on right now--see, I just moved my head--no problem. Here, I'll do it again, opposite direction--see, still no problem. Seriously though, you won't have any problems.

Now, SR 60's vs SR 80's--this causes some disagreement. I bought the 60's because of multiple reviews rating these as the best unamped headphone you can get for a portable unit. The sr 80's ARE a better headphone, mainly slightly better bass, BUT the opinion of many (including me)--but not all is that you need them amped to get it. In fact, some people think the unamped SR 80's actually sound worse than the unamped SR 60's. So, if you're going to use an amp, get the 80's. If not, I'd recommend the SR 60's, or at least trying the SR 60's and SR 80's side by side before purchasing...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:27:58 >
# 2 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have heard both sides of the 60/80 debate. Anyone have a comment on the 125s?
Spaghetti at 2007-11-15 15:29:09 >
# 3 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I own the 80's, have never heard the 60's so couldn't comment on a comparison. Never run them through an amp and the sound is great, would be very interested to hear the diff when amped. They are semi portable, though you cop an 80 metre cord that is rather thick. But as far as the actual cans go, they're alot smaller than a set of sony's or senn's.
Vote1_Ahrnuld! at 2007-11-15 15:30:05 >
# 4 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I sent an email to Grado yesterday asking them what headphones they would recommend using with my iPod without and amp. They suggested the SR80's. I am toying with buying the SR125s and a XIN Mini amp to drive them but I haven't been able to find much info about the XIN other then their own website.
Spaghetti at 2007-11-15 15:31:11 >
# 5 Re: Grado headphone opinions
My SR60's have the best definition of any headphones I've ever heard. That said, I've certainly never listened to really high end (over $200) headphones.

However, to those who have only listened to inexpensive phones, these will be a true revelation.
Randy_M at 2007-11-15 15:32:10 >
# 6 Re: Grado headphone opinions
The iPod can be considered "amped".
columbo at 2007-11-15 15:33:09 >
# 7 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'd consider the iPod "amped." Yes, the iPod has much higher output (30mW/channel) than a standard MD plalyer (5mW/channel) but decent headphone amps produce easily double the power of the iPod.

For more information about the Xin and other topics in headphones and headphone amps, check out www.head-fi.org. There are lots of comments on various Grado models as well.
SunByrne at 2007-11-15 15:34:13 >
# 8 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Yep, your dead on there Sunbyrne...Of course the ipod is amped to a certain degree--otherwise it would be pretty tough to listen to. It's also the reason there is a true line out on the dock--so you can bypass the ipods amp. But it's not the same as an external amp, which you need to drive certain types of cans and phones for optimum sound quality--the ipod needs fairly sensitive, low impedance earphones/cans for unamped (externally that is) listening...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:35:06 >
# 9 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Grado's are very open. They leak sound out and let sound in quite easily. While they are small enough to be 'portable', they aren't good for loud places or really quiet ones.

If you've never heard high-end phones, just get the 60's. Otherwise, save for the 225's...
MikeM at 2007-11-15 15:36:12 >
# 10 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I merely meant in response to the claptrap that dmt1 was peddling about SR80's not working from an iPod.
columbo at 2007-11-15 15:37:13 >
# 11 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Columbo you need to read a bit more carefully...I never said the SR80's didn't work with the ipod, and I qualified my statement by saying some people think they're just fine the way they are, others don't. A much more balanced post than yours, and several notches below yours on the claptrap scale.
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:38:12 >
# 12 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have to completely agree with dmt1 here--he presented a balanced view, notint that some people (including him) believe the SR80s require an amp to really sound better than the SR60s. While not everyone agrees, it certainly isn't "claptrap" to suggest this, nor did he claim it was definitive. And he didn't say the SR80s "don't work" from an iPod.

Additionally, many people would not agree that the iPod should be considered amped. You had no other information to support your claim, nor did you acknowledge that other perspectives on this exist, which dmt1 did. dmt1 has added a lot more to this discussion than you have, so you denigrating his posts seems pretty unjustifed to me.
SunByrne at 2007-11-15 15:39:10 >
# 13 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have the Grado SR60s and I love them, although they're not my main headphone (never heard the SR80s). But for portable use, I wouldn't use them on the street--the chord is very bulky and they provide no islolation--I use etymotic 4p for a majority of my listening, and break out he Grados for noisier rock, and at the office when I have to hear the phone ring. Some people don't like Grado's (especially the 60s) because they sound too "shrill." I never found that to be the case. Order from headroom.com, and you have 30 days to try them out.
rextrade at 2007-11-15 15:40:15 >
# 14 Re: Grado headphone opinions
All right girls, lets keep the noise down. Lemme put it like this: Whatever dmt1 says - and he seem to love to confuse the issue with his half-fact, half-read-it-elsewhere stuff - the Grado SR80 works just fine out of the iPod. Even the RS-1 is perfectly acceptable to me unamped with the Pod. And I know what it sounds like amped. The warnings about using the SR80 unamped extend mainly to users of 5mw devices, not the iPod.
columbo at 2007-11-15 15:41:20 >
# 15 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Ah, rather than a rationale discussion of the issue, another insult instead...

Columbo, your opinion counts around here, but it's not the only opinion that counts. Deal with it. I don't take it personally when your opinion disagrees with mine, you shouldn't either. Move on man, move on.
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:42:14 >
# 16 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have the 325s. Very nice :-). Not portable though.
capnttom at 2007-11-15 15:43:18 >
# 17 Re: Grado headphone opinions
The SR60 cord is 6 feet long.
SunByrne at 2007-11-15 15:44:15 >
# 18 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Yes, but I've always heard it's width, not length that's important...At least that's what I've been hoping...:D
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:45:17 >
# 19 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Can anyone suggest a place where I can get a good deal on the SR60's?
aribus at 2007-11-15 15:46:26 >
# 20 Re: Grado headphone opinions
For used deals, check out the head-fi.org Gear For Sale/Trade forum. You could submit a Wanted to Buy thread to see if anyone wants to sell cheap.

For new, headphone.com is a good place to go. They don't necessarily have the best prices but they have excellent customer service and a 30 day return policy if you don't like them.
MikeM at 2007-11-15 15:47:17 >
# 21 Re: Grado headphone opinions
You can get the SR60s for $62 including shipping at www.hcmaudio.com.
SunByrne at 2007-11-15 15:48:24 >
# 22 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I think Headphone.com fits the bill. While a good price is important, satisfaction with the retailer scores the most points. However, I have another question. The Grado Earpads (Soft) seem to be recommended on several forums. What do you guys recommend for a complete package. (I'm waiting patiently for my custom iPod 20 and I want to have the best setup possible)
aribus at 2007-11-15 15:49:23 >
# 23 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Originally posted by aribus
I want to have the best setup possible

What exactly do you mean and how much are you willing to spend? You can go way beyond the SR60's...
MikeM at 2007-11-15 15:50:21 >
# 24 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Yeah, there was a link to a $10,000 pair of cans in here a while back...

Are you going amped or unamped? You're going to have more choices if you go amped, and better sound quality, but at the expense of portability--so it really depends on what your're after...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:51:21 >
# 25 Re: Grado headphone opinions
Haha, $10,000 headphones would be great but i'll probably stick with something $9,850 or so less. So, $150 would be the absolute ceiling. An unamped, ipod with case (booq), headphones, and 20 gigs of music for my in-between class, music listening needs. A simple, very portable setup is what i'm looking for, but I want the best for my money with regards to sound quality and comfort. If i'm being too vague, please let me know. This is my first serious foray in portable music listening so i'm open to suggestions.
aribus at 2007-11-15 15:52:26 >
# 26 Re: Grado headphone opinions
For portability and better isolation, you're better off with something like the etymotic er-6 or the shure e2c's [both under $150 new]. The grado's sound nice but leak like mad. Anyone nearby can listen right along with you and you will hear everything going on around you. With the earphones, you'll be isolated from external sound and won't bother others. And they are much more portable.
MikeM at 2007-11-15 15:53:27 >
# 27 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I personally would recommend the E2's--they're built for portability, and some have complained of phonic cord noise with movement with the E6's. And some people prefer the sound of the Shure's over the E6's, but this is subjective; others prefer the E6's. Bottom line if you're going to be moving about, I'd recommend the Shure's; if this is just for stationary listening, I'd try both the E6's and E2's in that price range and decide.

The Shure's are about $80.00, the last time I saw the Etys' they were about $130, but I'm not 100% sure on the price of the Etys...
dmt1 at 2007-11-15 15:54:33 >
# 28 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have compared the 60's and 80's side by side with my iPod and I think the 80's sound alot better. Part of that also is the style of the foam covers. On the 60's its a solid foam cover that sits on your ear. On the 80's there is a cut out in the middle. I have heard of people that cut a small hole in the 60's ear pad to get better sound. Anyhow you won't be disappointed with either...except for portability.
OldSkool at 2007-11-15 15:55:25 >
# 29 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I think I may go with the E2's. I realized that I may be using my iPod in my school library most often and the noise isolation issue will definately come into play. I do still like the Grado's however, but that purchase may have to wait until later. Thanks a lot dmt1, mikem, and everyone else who helped me with this decision. Hopefully my presence on these boards will increase as I use my iPod. Thanks again.
aribus at 2007-11-15 15:56:32 >
# 30 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have a apir of Grado sr60's, they are awesome. If you like alot of bass dont get them, but if you like precison like sound quality the way the music was meant to be heard, DO NOT HESITATE!!!!!!!!!

Good luck
Slimer at 2007-11-15 15:57:34 >
# 31 Re: Grado headphone opinions
As an SR60 owner, I wouldn't get them for portable use or for listening in the library. They sound great, but block out no noise, and everyone else will hear your music. If you have $150 and can stand things shoved deep into your ears, go for the etymotice er-6, which sound great--well worth the money. Some people swear by the Shure's too, but I've never heard them so I can't comment.
rextrade at 2007-11-15 15:58:35 >
# 32 Re: Grado headphone opinions
The SR60's pair up well with the iPod. The detail is amazing for the price, and they can be driven to sufficient volume levels without external amplification.

Be aware...compression becomes very obvious with these cans and you'll go on a mission in pursuit of perfection! I ended up re-ripping my favs from 160kb to 192kb+ (LAME MP3). There was a lack of frequency, dynamics, and imaging at 160kb that was never evident with the Apple earbuds or my Sony MDR-V700's.
MicWilTay at 2007-11-15 15:59:38 >
# 33 Re: Grado headphone opinions
I have had my Grado SR60s for almost four years now and am still in love with them.

I have rated them against other cans and still find I prefer the sound from the Grado's. Im not sure what other people are on when they say they have no bass, they can produce plenty.

Another thing about the grados is that they are so comfy you can wear them almost all day ;)

GuyVer
GuyVer at 2007-11-15 16:00:38 >
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